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Old Posted Jan 13, 2007, 6:23 AM
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How are his current sales spread across the two towers?
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2007, 7:16 AM
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I've been thinking of doing the same thing for a while. But, I think this was the final straw. I have loved KCRA for years. But, News10 has simply become the better broadcast. In their reports in the past few years, they have been very positive and supportive of the Sacramento region and the growth of that region. By the way, I follow Sacramento news online via their websites.

On second glance, we may watch KCRA as my husband is a freak about watching shows in HD. We don't watch the news here anymore. They are so sensationalist it's sickening. They show very minor stories at the top of the news and wait for the major stories until 15 minutes into it. Also, the news is very biased and just as intolerant as the population here is. Recently, there was a lesbian couple that was ran over outside a club by 2 men in a truck after they yelled obscenities and slurs about their sexuality. The story has still not aired. That was last week. The top story on the news the next night was a woman in the suburbs who got her purse snatched. They recently had a series of top stories about a man who was going to health clubs and day spas and receiving massages, waxes, etc and leaving without paying. Top stories...for DAYS!!! 80 more days and I'll be on my way back home!
Great to have you back soon! We need all of Sacramento lovers & supporters we can get to make this great community even better...

The Towers project wont die...It cant...It's a signature location, and a landmark building, and it's fueled by John Saca's passion and determination ...temporary setback, that's all
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2007, 11:04 AM
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this bit of news might make some of you sick considering how close the Towers were to moving forward with the construction process:
I just found out tonight that their concrete subcontracor was to pour the pad on January 20, less than a week from now. In the last day or two, this subcontractor has told its employees that the pour has been put off "indefintely". for heaven's sake, they were less than a week away from pouring the pad.

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Old Posted Jan 13, 2007, 5:42 PM
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My guess is we are looking at a couple months until construction could start again. No point of stopping and starting right up again a month later in the middle of rain and a high water table.

I'm in the not optimistic group as well for Aura. I know you have an in at Aura Innov8, but I'm beginning to believe that person is full of it and just leading you on. At least if Aura is canceled, I would imagine some of those buyers would go to The Towers if Saca can get things together.
You might be right... as you can see, in the last couple
months I have stopped passing on any more AURA predictions.

Will see

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Old Posted Jan 13, 2007, 6:45 PM
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Last night I spoke to a 'source' within the Saca establishment, who said the sales, since the news, have ironically gone up since this announcement. I guess buyers realize the price of the units can't go any lower at this moment, so even a handful of people who have already purchased a unit are buying another to sell at a later date at a huge huge profit.

My source also was completely confident that this is a minor snag, and that things should pick up soon.
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2007, 6:50 PM
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Last night I spoke to a 'source' within the Saca establishment, who said the sales, since the news, have ironically gone up since this announcement. I guess buyers realize the price of the units can't go any lower at this moment, so even a handful of people who have already purchased a unit are buying another to sell at a later date at a huge huge profit.

My source also was completely confident that this is a minor snag, and that things should pick up soon.
Don't take this personal, but that sounds like damage
control and sales spin. They are most likely overwhelmed
with concerned buyers who wanna know more that what
the paper is reporting.

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Old Posted Jan 13, 2007, 7:03 PM
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so even a handful of people who have already purchased a unit are buying another to sell at a later date at a huge huge profit.
Flipper investment is not a good thing. Saca has tried to discourage it.
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every builder tries to discourage flippers. Sometimes it's written right into the contract that you cannot sell the home within a certain time frame - otherwise you must sell it back to the builder at their market rate. But the bottom line is that you cannot stop it from happening, and in cases like the Towers - you might need a few of them to get the project off the ground.

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Steve Ayers has already bought one unit in the Towers, and said he intends to buy another. "As a buyer, I have no worry at all about the project getting built," said the steel company owner. "John Saca is a very resourceful individual."
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2007, 8:11 PM
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Flipping only works when prices are going up. Prices aren't going up now in Sacramento. What fool is going to pay MORE for a resale unit when there are still over 400 unsold units available at the original price?

In this scenario all of the price pressure in downward. The builder has to lower his price $100G to sell off the overhang. All the original buyers instantly lose $100G, maybe more. That's what's happening in Lincoln and Natomas and Elk Grove now. The builders have undercut last years' purchase price for the exact same house and thousands of last years' buyers have already gone underwater.

It doesn't matter that those places are single family homes and 301 is highrise condos. Supply and demand works the same for both. When there's too much of something the price goes down.

You don't have to be an opponent of Saca Towers to understand or accept this. I'm sure there are people who put down deposits at 301CM, who love the building, the location, the concept but still understand that with sales as they are (and no word on how many of those sales later cancelled) the value of their condo can only go down.

That scenario is playing out at highrise condos in cities across the U.S. now. Why would Sacramento be any different?

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Old Posted Jan 13, 2007, 8:21 PM
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If I had the money, I would probably buy several units. I would furnish them and then rent or lease them out either on a short or long term basis. Potential customers would be legislators in the city for the legislative session, Kings players during the season, executives on short term assignment to Sacramento, lobbyists, etc..

You could contract with the Hotel to provide room service functions, or hire a maid service. An executive coming into Sacramento for a short assignment would probably much rather stay in a condo than in a Hotel, especially when you would have access to the many amenities of the Towers and the Hotel.

You could also operate a unit as a time-share.
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2007, 9:21 PM
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Over the last several years, all of the sales contracts in my projects included "anti-flipping" provisions. Usually something along the lines of the purchaser would be the owner-occupier for a period of a year (I can't recall anything longer.) At first, these provisions used pretty general language and were loosely enforced. But as more homeowners complained about renters occupying units, far more stringent language began appearing in contracts and CCRs and homeowners demanded a more vigorous enforcement. Most importantly, sales teams were informed that if they could not prove that they had carefully explained the anti-flipping provisions to purchasers and the penalties for violating, they would lose commission. This was usually accomplished with a separate disclosure signed by both agent and buyer. As mentioned in other posts, this is only an issue when prices are appreciating at record levels.

The most common type of "allowable" flipping had to do with model homes. Investors would purchase model homes at the beginning of a project and then lease them back to your homebuilding division. This got the homes off the books (reported as sales) and provided the investors a steady income stream, plus a spectacular profit two years later when they sold the homes. I was never too comfortable with this whole set up. Didn't seem quite right. I don't see much of this anymore. Not sure if it's strictly because of market conditions or Sarbanes-Oxley requirements. I know on my most recent projects where this was done (models purchased in 2005), investors took a bath as homes sales had slowed to a trickle.

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It doesn't matter that those places are single family homes and 301 is highrise condos. Supply and demand works the same for both. When there's too much of something the price goes down.

You don't have to be an opponent of Saca Towers to understand or accept this. I'm sure there are people who put down deposits at 301CM, who love the building, the location, the concept but still understand that with sales as they are (and no word on how many of those sales later cancelled) the value of their condo can only go down.

That scenario is playing out at highrise condos in cities across the U.S. now. Why would Sacramento be any different?
Here's why - It's important to remember that Sacramento has a huge pent-up demand for urban and high-rise urban living. San Diego hit the market just right to address this demand. Sacramento was late. San Diego got 20k (maybe more, I don't have the figures at hand, but that's minimum) new urban units during this market cycle. Sacramento should still have enough qualified buyers for at least, say 5k. That is enough for both the Towers and Aura with plenty of room to spare. That's not to say it'll be easy, nor does it guarantee these project's construction. But the downtown market is different on a fundamental level than suburban Sacramento.

While it's true that high-rise condo prices in Miami, San Diego and elsewhere across the U.S. are stabilizing or dropping now, those cities have had thousands of such units built. The demand for urban and high-rise urban living has been satisfied. Not the case in Sacramento where fewer than 1k are completed or under-construction. ZERO high-rise units have been built. In the Sacramento market, it matters a great deal if you are offering a single-family in Folsom vs. a home 300 feet in the sky at the Towers or Aura. The supply of the Folsom-type product is in the tens of thousands. There are fewer than 400 high-rise units left for sale within 90 miles of Sacramento. And they're all on Capitol Mall.

In a metro area of what, well over a million, I have to think that there are 400 buyers who want this kind of lifestyle and are willing to pay for it. It's up to Saca, Nassi and Sacramento's leaders to convince the financial markets of it. If they can, we'll see these towers get built.

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Old Posted Jan 13, 2007, 11:56 PM
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I don't know if it was as much spin she was saying, or the 3 or 4 cocktails...either way, she seemed pretty sincere......
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I'm in the not optimistic group as well for Aura. I know you have an in at Aura Innov8, but I'm beginning to believe that person is full of it and just leading you on. At least if Aura is canceled, I would imagine some of those buyers would go to The Towers if Saca can get things together..

I have to agree with you in regards to Aura. I think Aura is effectively dead in the water. In fact i think the Towers have a far better chance of happening (even with their current problems). The Palladio fiasco in Reno may have dealt BCN a more serious blow than any of us realize. At least with the Towers they're fisnished pile driving (or nearly finished) and have reached a point, that with an infusion of capital, (which i think they'll evenutally get) they'll be well positioned to begin construction.

Aura on the other hand has been delayed for over a year.

Recall that Aura received final City approval and cleared the Planning Commission in October of 2005. I remember being at that meeting and listening to Craig Nassi make a plea to the Commission to approve the project because he needed to begin construction right away. Nearly a year and a half later nothing has changed... What a shame considering that Aura managed to sell 70-80% of their units (depending on which week Nassi is interviewed)..

But like you said Costa, Aura's failure to move forward might just benefit the Towers sales..

BTW does anyone know whether the Towers are still selling units???
Is their sales office still open???
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2007, 1:51 AM
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I wouldn't be suprised to see Tsakopoulos throw in some cash.

Exactly what i was thinking earlier today..

Sounds like a good idea, though not very likely...


Tsakopoulos probably wouldn't be willing to throw his money at a project that most
likely wont make him any money for a couple of years....


Another name?? Alex Spanos...

Again just day dreaming here....
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2007, 7:22 PM
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Channel 3 interviewed some guy named Trujillo from the SBJ. He was not as "optimistic" for Aura. According to him, permits have been ordered but not picked up, and there is speculation the project may be delayed indefinitely, or cancelled.


Kind of incredible when you consider how many buyers have put down deposits. 70-80% of Aura's residential units (supposedly) presold, only to come to the point where Aura now has no signs of life....

Doesn't exactly inspire confidence for perspetive buyers, does it?
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No I am not going to celebrate it.......but I remember 6 months or so back at a few people here qestioning him and they all got gang tackled. Looks like they may have been right, this guy is all show and bad go!
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I emailed Sherryl at Aura to ask her what the current status of the project is. Last time I emailed her about the project (in october), she emailed me back right away ensuring me the project is going forward.

Lets see how fast she emails me back this time or even if she emails me back at all...
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I emailed Sherryl at Aura to ask her what the current status of the project is. Last time I emailed her about the project (in october), she emailed me back right away ensuring me the project is going forward.

Lets see how fast she emails me back this time or even if she emails me back at all...


Judging from past responses from those involved with Aura, it may read or sound something like...


'Aura is set to begin constuction within the next 30 to 45 days..'
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Although I am highly doubtful that Aura will get started within the next 6-12 months, I think that the City may try to do everything it can to get this project built because it is a very nice building and its "starchitect" Daniel L will surely put Sacramento on the map...

But then again, maybe the City would be more interested in helping the Towers because they're bigger and could "absorb" the units at Aura?
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No I am not going to celebrate it.......but I remember 6 months or so back at a few people here qestioning him and they all got gang tackled. Looks like they may have been right, this guy is all show and bad go!
The gang is humble now, so it's cool.
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