Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[RC14]

Originally Posted by Makid

The last I heard, it is still planned but won't start until after Astra is complete. It is also slated to be a Hotel/Residential building. It would also be a boutique hotel brand.

If it's a boutique hotel, I would like to see a Hotel Indigo similar to the one in Downtown Los Angeles but I'm guessing that's unlikely given we already have two IHG flagged hotels within two blocks of that site and potentially a third at 370 West Temple.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by SLCHenry

I remember someone saying back in the summer that APS Hotel would potentially be developed if the Hyatt was doing good in terms of OR this summer. That would be a really nice spot for a JW.

If the APS hotel is built, they ought to shut down the City Creek Marriott and completely renovate it inside and out.

[delts145]

I've been thinking the same thing Stenar. Build a taller than the Hyatt 4 star-plus at the APS then shut down the Marriott. I know they spent 25 million a decade or more ago in renovating it, but I would almost prefer they just demo it and build something iconic on that particular corner. While the Hyatt was a big step in the right direction they still need a couple more large hotels in the immediate vicinity to accommodate an increase in large style conventions. Those sites across the street from the CC would be gold.

[SLCHenry]

Originally Posted by delts145

I've been thinking the same thing Stenar. Build a taller than the Hyatt 4 star-plus at the APS then shut down the Marriott. I know they spent 25 million a decade or more ago in renovating it, but I would almost prefer they just demo it and build something iconic on that particular corner. While the Hyatt was a big step in the right direction they still need a couple more large hotels in the immediate vicinity to accommodate an increase in large style conventions. Those sites across the street from the CC would be gold.

My wishes exactly. Only issue is, It will probably never happen. I wish the demolished the City Creek Marriot, and Marriot leaves the Gallivan Center for the APS tower. Then they build some tower on the City Creek Marriot and Hilton relocates to the Gallvian Center and then the Sheriton relocates to the old Hilton Building. Finally the Sheriton building is demolished for some nice housing projects. The chances of that happening are zero but a man can have his dreams right?

[delts145]

I like your line of thinking SLCHenry. Actually, the LDS Church is not a big fan of owning hotel properties these days, and demoing the Marriott and putting a more iconic Marriott tower on the APS site would make sense. Then build a new tallest residential on the old Marriott site. Yeah, one can dream. Also, I'm kind of a fan of the Sheraton design. It's unique for Salt Lake's downtown and has that Guggenheim vibe to it. Renovate yes on the inside, and turn it into a W hotel. Haha, wait a minute. Are you talking about what use to be the Sheraton on W. Temple or what use to be the Hilton down south. I keep getting that last merry-go-round of hotel brands mixed up. I was thinking of what used to be the Sheraton on W. Temple

[SLCHenry]

Yeah in talking the Sheraton on West Temple. Only reason I say demo it is because it takes up so much space on practically an empty lot, and its property is such a weird layout. We could fit more towers and housing on that lot but instead its taken up by a bunch of two story hotel and parking lots. Plus the Sheraton Denver is super nice, I say we deserve a nice one as well. Same with Hilton.

[delts145]

True, at this stage of Salt Lake's progress a Sheraton and a Hilton should be more along the line of the CC Hyatt.

This is a great photo posted by Atlas. I look forward to seeing Astra in this perspective.

Originally Posted by Atlas

Great point about the Grand America, Makid. The gulf between 600S and 400S, and west of Main starting around 400S, forms a real walkability/interest barrier around downtown. Hopefully we see more infill there soon.

Regarding the skyline discussion, I think we just need a 60 story building and our skyline will immediately jump up a weight class.

Another nice shot by Scott Taylor:

[Paniolo Man]

Originally Posted by delts145

I've been thinking the same thing Stenar. Build a taller than the Hyatt 4 star-plus at the APS then shut down the Marriott. I know they spent 25 million a decade or more ago in renovating it, but I would almost prefer they just demo it and build something iconic on that particular corner. While the Hyatt was a big step in the right direction they still need a couple more large hotels in the immediate vicinity to accommodate an increase in large style conventions. Those sites across the street from the CC would be gold.

I doubt a renovation that long ago will hold them back. I worked at a large resort hotel for several years, it got $50+ million dollar renovations every 10 years or so. They are currently finishing off a $200 million upgrade. Hotels are high use and high wear.

Hotels are cash cows, and a large part of their appeal is appearing modern and upscale. Once a property starts aging (like the downtown Marriott) they either need to invest heaps of money keep the structure and decor new, or fall into a lower value as a property.

Just like you all are saying I would expect them to build new nearby and the current hotel would be renovated and opened under a cheaper franchise.

[felixg]

What they really should do is something about the Gallivan plaza mini-Marriott on state, across from astra. Looks and feels way too small for that corner, especially with what’s going up around in the next few years. Nothing special architecturally either, looks like something you’d see in an office park in west jordan or Sandy, but I realize Im somewhat biased against most earlyish postmodern stuff from that era

Like others have said, I’m actually a big fan of all the hotels on west temple, other than Shilo hahah

[SLCHenry]

I would love to see Marriott relocate to the proposed Air Center… That is one sexy building

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by SLCHenry

Yeah in talking the Sheraton on West Temple. Only reason I say demo it is because it takes up so much space on practically an empty lot, and its property is such a weird layout. We could fit more towers and housing on that lot but instead its taken up by a bunch of two story hotel and parking lots. Plus the Sheraton Denver is super nice, I say we deserve a nice one as well. Same with Hilton.

It sounds like you're talking about the Sheraton on 500 S and 200 West, not the building that used to be Sheraton at 255 S West Temple, which is now a Hilton.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by delts145

I like your line of thinking SLCHenry. Actually, the LDS Church is not a big fan of owning hotel properties these days, and demoing the Marriott and putting a more iconic Marriott tower on the APS site would make sense. Then build a new tallest residential on the old Marriott site. ...

I don't think the LDS Church owns the City Creek Marriott.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by SLCHenry

I would love to see Marriott relocate to the proposed Air Center… That is one sexy building

Hasn't the Air Center proposal been dead for nearly a decade???

[SLCHenry]

Originally Posted by Stenar

Hasn't the Air Center proposal been dead for nearly a decade???

Yeah, I would still love to see a tower like it rise though. Im always craving new towers.. nothing is ever enough

[Ironweed]

Originally Posted by SLCHenry

Yeah, I would still love to see a tower like it rise though. Im always craving new towers.. nothing is ever enough

I agree with you about the Sheraton, It looks like a pile of crap. The placing on the block was a disaster, leaving wasted space. It Needs a complete demolition and do-over.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Paniolo Man

I doubt a renovation that long ago will hold them back. I worked at a large resort hotel for several years, it got $50+ million dollar renovations every 10 years or so. They are currently finishing off a $200 million upgrade. Hotels are high use and high wear.

Hotels are cash cows, and a large part of their appeal is appearing modern and upscale. Once a property starts aging (like the downtown Marriott) they either need to invest heaps of money keep the structure and decor new, or fall into a lower value as a property.

Just like you all are saying I would expect them to build new nearby and the current hotel would be renovated and opened under a cheaper franchise.

The Marriott was renovated almost 15 years ago and I think it was for only $9 million:

https://www.deseret.com/2009/1/19/20...tes-renovation

So, definitely think none of this will hold 'em back.

[Paniolo Man]

Took some photos while in town today. (February 25th)

entry NOTE (735 W North Temple.)


Studios Squared (757 W North Temple.)


Alta Vue (200 S 800 W)


Folsom Row (811 W 100 S) (Alta Vue visible in the background.)


The Crossing at 9th. (Corner of 200 S and 900 W)


TAG townhomes (765 North 400 West)


Better view of the Salt Lake School District's new offices.


Dewitt Apartments (346 S 500 E)


aQui355 (355 S 400 E)


TAG 343 (343 S. 400 E)


Nice wide view of Cottonwood Broadway (325 E 300 S)


I reserve the right to have screwed up any of the names/locations.

[Rileybo]

Thanks for the photos, Paniolo Man.

That line of cinder blocks between 2nd and 3rd South … how embarrassing.

Edit: autocorrect

[delts145]

Originally Posted by Atlas

A large museum with general appeal would be a fantastic addition to downtown SLC. I've often thought that Block 40 would be a great spot for a museum given its central location in the Exchange Place district and proximity to transit. It also seems like something family-friendly that CCR would be open to including in their eventual development plans for the block.

The U already has the natural history and art museums, so maybe a science & industry museum? Or a Utah state history museum? Maybe both combined?

Speaking of large museums, we will soon have what would seem to become quite a museum attraction up on Capitol Hill. The Capitol is considered in the top 10 of most beautiful State Capitols and it does receive a large amount of tourism. Also, while not downtown approx. the Natural History Museum is considered World Class. I do wish it was downtown along with the Zoo.

[Rileybo]

Originally Posted by jedikermit

"Removing visually competing buildings" to "enhance the sacred nature of the temple" -- including the Assembly Hall (relocated to west end of campus), Church Office Building, Joseph Smith Memorial Building, Church Administration Building, Gateway Apartments, North Office Building

Uh, yeah screw that idea.