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Old Posted Jan 5, 2008, 3:24 PM
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Harkins to close Centerpoint theater Sunday

Even though we knew that it was going to happen for a while, this is still kinda sudden....

Harkins to close Centerpoint theater Sunday
Sarah McLellan
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 4, 2008 05:05 PM

The Harkins Centerpoint movie theater will close its doors for good Sunday.

The closure of the downtown Tempe theater near Mill Avenue and Sixth Street is the first step in redevelopment plans for Centerpoint on Mill.

The redevelopment project will revamp seven acres of the approximately 24-acre property in three phases over the next 10 years.

A new breakfast restaurant and a hotel headline the additions. 7th Heaven Eatery will open on Mill Avenue this summer and is the restaurant's third location in the Valley.

The restaurant, which currently has locations in Phoenix and Chandler, will offer a breakfast menu all day in addition to sandwiches, salads, burgers, international specialty dishes, smoothies, beer and wine.

The development of a major hotel with about 250 rooms and a 40,000-square-foot health club available for public use is also in the works, according to a press release.

The redevelopment plans also include a new plaza with retail and restaurant opportunities along with residential spaces.

This project does not affect Harkins Valley Art Theater, located further north on Mill Avenue.

Harkins decided to close the Centerpoint theater because of new theaters that have opened up in the surrounding area recently. Harkins opened a new multi-plex at Tempe Marketplace, near McClintock Drive and Loop 101, last year.

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Old Posted Jan 5, 2008, 5:45 PM
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Damn, I'm going to miss those theaters... The Tempe Marketplace is an absolute atrocity and is the main reason for the demise of the theater. I still can't believe Tempe leaders approved that horrible, suburban, new-age strip mall so close to Mill Ave. and the lifeblood of the city...
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2008, 6:20 PM
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Angry

I really don't think I can express how angry this makes me, especially considering I don't recall hearing any plans by the developer to include any sort of theater
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2008, 6:22 PM
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It will be a long time before I come to grips with the decision to remove one of the main attractions to Mill Avenue.
Having that theater there was one of the most functional aspects of Mill Ave.

very sad day...
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2008, 6:41 PM
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I went to that theater once. It was a piece of shit.

small screens, not stadium seating, etc.

go to AZ center if you're so fucking concerned about where the theater is and stop whining.
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2008, 6:54 PM
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i wont miss the theatre too much. Its crummy and I would rather watch movies at the cine capri. I liked the idea of changing it to something similar to camelview but i guess it was not meant to be.

They still have valley art downtown but i wish they could expand the place a little more to some more indie movies.
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2008, 7:46 PM
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The issue isn't whether the Centerpoint is a nice theater (by the way, the expectation that EVERY theater has to be stadium-style is peculiar to Phoenix; no other city has such a large percentage of them). The issue is that there's no longer a theater (except for the one-screen Valley Art) in walking distance of the hub of Tempe's nightlife. Now you have to drive around to have dinner and a movie and a walk down Mill (unless you happen to want to see what's playing in the Valley Art), and that's undeniably a step backward for Tempe.
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2008, 12:50 AM
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Mixed feelings about this. On one hand, going to the movies seems kind of quaint in the age of widescreen TVs and Netflix. Sure, I like to go out, but I prefer live events that require physical presence and face-to-face interaction (plays, concerts, etc.). With today's technology, movies can be as enjoyable in the home, if not more so, than in a theater.

On the other hand, this development confirms two conclusions I've reluctantly reached: 1) Harkins gets a lot of praise for being a locally based movie theater company, but if often seems to have turned its back on the core of the metro area. Increasingly, Harkins just seems to want to build new theaters in the outermost reaches of sprawlopolis while letting AMC concentrate on the Central Phoenix market. 2) As noted above, it was amazingly bad planning for the City of Tempe to allow Tempe Marketplace to go forward. It's an unpleasant, tacky experience of big box stores, chain restaurants, and huge parking lots that will bake in the summer -- but many will choose it over Mill due to exaggerated tales of parking woes Downtown.
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2008, 1:00 AM
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It seems like DT Tempe is starting get rid of entertainment. This is to bad. I was hoping they could turn this theater into an eating/drinking theater like they have in Portland, OR. If you have been to one of those McMenamins it is a great place. You can catch a classic movie like bladerunner or star wars and drink a pitcher of beer and eat a burger. They bring the food to your table while you watch. And getting in was a doller or two. That is a fun place if you get up there.

A Dave and Busters might have been a good option for this area. The school kids could walk to this and enjoy. Seems odd to move the entertainment away from the area.

ps. Bladerunner is playing in the art theator on mill.
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2008, 1:04 AM
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Bladerunner is playing in the art theator on mill.

Blade Runner closed January 3. Juno is now playing at Valley Art. I'm sorry I missed it. Blade Runner is one movie I'd like to see again in a theater, and Valley Art is so much nicer than a multiplex surrounded by parking lots.
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2008, 1:54 AM
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Growing up, the Harkins was only worth going specifically as part of a night on the town at Mill. Today it feels half of that part of downtown is gone and the theater is history too. Tempe to its credit has several well capitalized developers concentrated rather than Phoenix's which run all over the place, so while I sorta miss Mill's yesteryear there's a striking chance the plans will of this project as well as a few select others will be worth it.
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2008, 2:06 AM
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I went to that theater once. It was a piece of shit.

small screens, not stadium seating, etc.

go to AZ center if you're so fucking concerned about where the theater is and stop whining.
I know you have been called this over and over, and it does little good- but you're an asshole Vandercook. Go to AZ Center in Downtown Phx instead?
Instead of a theater in Tempe when I live close by?

The point is that Mill Ave is losing its theater. Just like how maybe you'd feel if the AZ Center theater was removed.
Everyone has a right to their opinion. It is very easy to hide behind your widdol computer and insult everyone. Ever tried just being friendly?

Think before you post.
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Mixed feelings about this. On one hand, going to the movies seems kind of quaint in the age of widescreen TVs and Netflix. Sure, I like to go out, but I prefer live events that require physical presence and face-to-face interaction (plays, concerts, etc.). With today's technology, movies can be as enjoyable in the home, if not more so, than in a theater.
As a film major, I must protest! Cinema is a social experience, or as one of my professors always said "film is a group hallucination." I find movies, especially comedies, infinitely more enjoyable with a good size crowd.

I agree about your criticism of Harkins. Being both a lover of film, an a lover of urban life in the Valley, I've often dreamt of ideas for urban theaters in the Valley.

For instance, with Phoenix's large Hispanic population, does anyone think there could be a market for a theater that showed Spanish language films? I'd think in an area like that around 16th St/Roosevelt (or wherever the densest population of Hispanics is), a small cineplex of perhaps 4 screens that specialized in Spanish films would do well.

I also wish Phoenix had something comparable to LA's "New Beverly Cinema" (http://www.newbevcinema.com) which is a revival/grindhouse theater. The old Jewish Synagauge at 333 E Portland would be perfect for a usage like this. A single screen theater that did late night showings Thurs-Sun, and did double features of related revival films (i.e. show "Omega Man" and "Soilent Green" one week).

I'd also love to see a regular art theater in downtown Phoenix (there has been rumor of a "Sundance" theater in Jackson St). A place that showed films like "Juno," "The Savages," etc would be a welcome addition to the Central City. Its a bit of a joke that a metropolitan area of our size only has 2 art house theaters. It would be amazing if a theater like this could be housed in a rehabbed version of the old shell of a church on the NW Corner of Monroe and 3rd Ave (this would also help make Monroe a really cool corridor). The parking lot directly North of the church could perhaps house 2 additional screens (though I suppose that wouldn't leave any room for parking, unless a deal w/ a nearby garage could be worked out).


I would also like to see less super megaplexes (places with 16+ screens), and more 'neighborhood theaters' with 4-10 screens. I suppose thats been determined to be an unprofitable model, but I think more theaters with fewer screens that are integrated better into their neighborhoods (i.e. not set back into Tempe Marketplace like abortions) would be fantastic. Perhaps some of these could be 'dinner and a movie' style theaters, which Phoenix also seems to be lacking in (there is something like it in a strip center in Scottsdale, but they don't show first run films or old classics, they show the stuff thats at the $1 theaters).

When I was in St Louis there was a great neighborhood theater called the Hi Point Theater which also had an adjacent bar and music venue that was a great point of pride for the neighborhood and really gave its area a sense of place (something that most of the Valley lacks).

Anyway, enough of my derail...back to Tempe stuff. Feel free to steal my million dollar ideas (or just give me the money to make them happen )
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2008, 3:21 AM
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The Harkins CenterPoint theater has been a key element of downtown Tempe for some time now, I am sad to see it go.

I thought that it should have remained. Albeit, maybe renovated and incorporated back into the new CenterPoint plan. But with the new Harkins theaters at Tempe Marketplace, that is probably asking too much.
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2008, 1:57 PM
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As a film major, I must protest! Cinema is a social experience, or as one of my professors always said "film is a group hallucination." I find movies, especially comedies, infinitely more enjoyable with a good size crowd.
In an ideal world, I'd agree. I have great memories of a group adrenaline rush when as a kid I saw movies like "Jaws," "Star Wars," and "Aliens" in crowded theaters. Unfortunately, these days the theater experience is often so unpleasant that Netflix seems the better choice. Putting aside issues of sprawlish multiplexes vs. charming neighborhood cinemas, movie theater behavior and cleanliness sometimes seem like a lost cause. It's bad enough to have to listen to people in the audience talking on cell phones or to one another, but when the theater isn't even clean, it's pretty gross. The last time I saw a movie in a theater -- at an AMC in Ahwatukee -- there was popcorn all over the seats from the last audience. None of the slacker staff had bothered to clean up between shows.

I like all your ideas for smaller cinemas, but I don't know how viable they are. I'm glad to hear that repertory cinema is still alive in L.A. I didn't know it existed anywhere after the legendary Thalia closed in New York. One small bit of hope: The Phoenix Art Museum has a nice film program. That might be an option for serious film buffs.
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2008, 6:14 PM
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Vandercook - AZ Center doesn't even compare. Not to mention I live in 85281.
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2008, 6:32 PM
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Loftlovr and sundevilgrad,

There is a mighty nice theater at Tempe Marketplace. My point about AZ Center was that if you want an "urban" theater, you still have one that is a gazillion times nicer than centerpoint. TM, has that new harkins which kicks ass as well.

If this were a decent theater, I could understand the crying about it closing, but it wasn't, it was a piece of shit! I watched Kicking and Screaming there on a date once and thought I was going to get herpes/hepatitis/everyotherstdknowntoman just by walking in there.

/end rant.

and yeah, I'm an asshole, what of it? I wasn't calling you out, so don't get your panties in a twist. I was simply making a point that why cry about something closing when you have something 100000 times better within 5 minutes?
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The fucking point is not that there is a theatre within a short drive, why would someone on an urban forum not understand frustration with removing a movie theater from the core of a city? Sure, I can drive to Tempe Marketplace, but why would I want to get back in my car when there are shops, restaurants and bars all around me downtown.... the get in my car to see a movie? The theater was cheaper too for tickets until about 4-6 months ago, so the price reflected the quality of the theater.
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2008, 9:38 PM
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The whole matter is there was not a huge demand for the cinema. When you don't have a huge demand, then you will find that people will try to invent new ideas to attract more people in hopes that a new idea will spark new interests.
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7th Heaven is terrible and overpriced. There's one here at the Esplanade and I don't think anyone would be sad to see it go.
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