The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 76

MTLskyline · #**1501** Posted **Jun 2, 2012, 4:15 AM**

For comparison , here is the of one of the original MR-63 trains (on the yellow and green lines)

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http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=5544419&postcount=107

Wharn · #**1502** Posted **Jun 2, 2012, 4:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by MTLskyline

New Metro train prototype will be displayed in Berri-UQAM station starting June 8. (Green Line, Angrignon platform)

Source : http://www.twitpic.com/photos/stm_nouvelles

These look very good, definitely a step in the right direction. I like the interior design and materials better than the new subway cars in Toronto- whoever decided to use cloth seats on transit ought to be shot.

Andrewjm3D · #**1503** Posted **Jun 2, 2012, 6:10 PM**

They're very small inside though but ya they do look nicer.

But during rush hour I'll take size over style.

The_Architect · #**1504** Posted **Jun 2, 2012, 6:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wharn

These look very good, definitely a step in the right direction. I like the interior design and materials better than the new subway cars in Toronto- whoever decided to use cloth seats on transit ought to be shot.

Yea who needs space and comfort anyway?

Nouvellecosse · #**1505** Posted **Jun 2, 2012, 6:55 PM**

Well in fairness, the amount of space isn't so much about the size of the vehicles but the overall capacity of the train. After all, if a Toronto subway car is 30% larger and also has 30% more people crammed into it, is it really going to feel more comfortable to each individual user? And we know very well that they will be crammed in since any space advantage Toronto has in the width of the cars, it loses by having shorter trains.

As far as cloth seats, the only thing I care about is which one smells better. Some people theorize that cloth reduces odours by absorbing moisture, while others say a hard surface is able to be cleaned easier. Whichever is less smelly, that's what I want. I doubt having a non-plush seat with cloth over a hard surface is going to make a huge difference in terms of physical comfort.

dleung · #**1506** Posted **Jun 2, 2012, 7:13 PM**

I'm surprised montreal is keeping a similar seat configuration as their existing trains, which is terrible even for circulation within the same car.

As for materials, I think the material they use on Vancouver's MarkII trains and their new buses are my favorite:

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4010/4378913084_a1f91f8d69.jpg

Love the colour too

I also prefer the warmth of the little pot lights over the fluorescent overly-lit Canada-line trains.

Alexcaban · #**1507** Posted **Jun 2, 2012, 7:54 PM**

More photos of the STM metro trains here.

http://quebec.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/06/01/azur-metro-montreal_n_1563342.html#s=more230088

Andrewjm3D · #**1508** Posted **Jun 2, 2012, 8:54 PM**

There are only a handful of people here and it looks crowded.

The_Architect · #**1509** Posted **Jun 2, 2012, 8:58 PM**

Definitely wouldn't handle YUS or B-D rush hour volumes.

Rico Rommheim · #**1510** Posted **Jun 2, 2012, 8:59 PM**

It does look tiny. I'm shocked. Or is it just the lens' perspective?

Alexcaban · #**1511** Posted **Jun 2, 2012, 9:10 PM**

Guys its the same length and width as the old trains. If the trains now can handle rush hour they can certainly do the same.

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Definitely wouldn't handle YUS or B-D rush hour volumes.

Well considering that the metro is more utilized then the TTC subway I think it could . I mean frequencies are the same as the TTC during rush hour. The trains are also longer then the subway trains.

dleung · #**1512** Posted **Jun 2, 2012, 9:39 PM**

i do like the huge windows though... is that only available at a certain design speed? Why do we only see it on streetcars rather than subway cars? The new Toronto rocket has like half as many windows as before.

MTLskyline · #**1513** Posted **Jun 2, 2012, 9:55 PM**

I dislike bars hanging from the ceiling. I always bang my head on them. I hope they change them from metal bars to plastic-rubber handles or something.

I don't know if the seat configuration would have been better if they only put seats with the backs against the windows like most of the stock in London (minus the cloth seats).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LU1973ts-interior.jpg

The_Architect · #**1514** Posted **Jun 2, 2012, 10:23 PM**

^ Now those get cramped during rush hour. Not fun for a claustrophobic commuter.

Martin Mtl · #**1515** Posted **Jun 2, 2012, 10:38 PM**

They are as big (or as small) as the current ones. But you can go from one wagon to the other while riding, which is a nice improvement.

MTLskyline · #**1516** Posted **Jun 6, 2012, 4:11 AM**

According to the arbitrary criteria of CNN-GO, Montreal has the 5th best metro system in the World. It's also wrong about Montreal's system being Canada's largest (in terms of track length and number of stations, Toronto just edges it out by 0.8km and 1 station). Oh well, we'll take the good publicity!

1. Guangzhou
2. Tokyo
3. New York
4. Madrid
5. Montreal
6. Paris
7. Sao Paulo
8. London
9. Singapore
10. Copenhagen

http://www.cnngo.com/explorations/life/10-best-metro-systems-746919

Ayreonaut · #**1517** Posted **Jun 6, 2012, 5:35 AM**

Copenhagen has a good metro? They must be including the S-Tog, because I found the metro rather inadequate, certainly by European standards.

Wharn · #**1518** Posted **Jun 6, 2012, 3:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by The_Architect

Yea who needs space and comfort anyway?

You're living in a dream world if you think the TTC's cloth seats do anything for comfort. They're hard as a rock to begin with, and all the thin cloth topping does is provide refuge for dirt and bedbugs. What you need is something that's durable and easy to clean, ie plastic. Cloth is fine for office chairs, sofas and *sometimes* for car interiors. But on public transit, it's just disgusting.

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Well considering that the metro is more utilized then the TTC subway I think it could . I mean frequencies are the same as the TTC during rush hour. The trains are also longer then the subway trains.

The trains on London's Piccadilly Line are about as wide as these, and I'm sure they have to contend with far more volume. The difference is that the cars don't have all sorts of choke points around the seats.

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According to the arbitrary criteria of CNN-GO, Montreal has the 5th best metro system in the World. It's also wrong about Montreal's system being Canada's largest (in terms of track length and number of stations, Toronto just edges it out by 0.8km and 1 station). Oh well, we'll take the good publicity!

A city that's 45% bigger than Montreal has a grand total of 1.1% more subway track. I'm not sure whether I should find this funny or tragic.

The_Architect · #**1519** Posted **Jun 6, 2012, 3:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wharn

The trains on London's Piccadilly Line are about as wide as these, and I'm sure they have to contend with far more volume. The difference is that the cars don't have all sorts of choke points around the seats.

Yea and the Picadilly Line is ridiculously cramped.

Tony · #**1520** Posted **Jun 6, 2012, 4:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wharn

You're living in a dream world if you think the TTC's cloth seats do anything for comfort. They're hard as a rock to begin with, and all the thin cloth topping does is provide refuge for dirt and bedbugs. What you need is something that's durable and easy to clean, ie plastic. Cloth is fine for office chairs, sofas and *sometimes* for car interiors. But on public transit, it's just disgusting.

Actually, I do find them to be quite a bit more comfortable than 6 other metro systems I have ridden. Plus you're not sliding or shifting all over the place when in motion.

So perhaps speak for yourself when you're dreaming.