TORONTO | Highrise Developments Compilation Thread

[icescraper]

1BE is caught in the credit crunch. They haven't been able to resecure financing yet. Should be a temporary thing. Aura apparently has met financier's requirements and looks like a go late in the summer. - ice

[lawsond]

There is some nice density going up in Toronto...I just dont understand why they dont build higher...I mean Toronto doesnt even have a supertall and it definitely deserves one!

Super and Toronto are not often used in the same sentence. I think it's a holdover from the British reticence to stand out and do things that are "showy". Of course, the CN Tower is the exception that more or less proves the rule.
I've often wondered why Scotiabank didn't build just a tiny bit taller and best FCP. Or why FCP didn't build just a tiny bit taller and become a "supertall". Or why Trump didn't give it one more nudge and beat out all of them.
It's just that nudge that Toronto is adverse to. "My shaft is bigger than your shaft." It's not in our nature. If it seems practical at some point, a supertall will rise. But not because it is a supertall for its own sake. It will be built if a developer thinks it is financially sensible.
This same conservatism is the main reason our banks are prospering in the recession and now four of those almost-super-tall bank buildings are in the top ten North American banks in assets. So it's an atitiude that serves us well.

[icescraper]

Originally Posted by lawsond

Super and Toronto are not often used in the same sentence. I think it's a holdover from the British reticence to stand out and do things that are "showy". Of course, the CN Tower is the exception that more or less proves the rule.
I've often wondered why Scotiabank didn't build just a tiny bit taller and best FCP. Or why FCP didn't build just a tiny bit taller and become a "supertall". Or why Trump didn't give it one more nudge and beat out all of them.
It's just that nudge that Toronto is adverse to. "My shaft is bigger than your shaft." It's not in our nature. If it seems practical at some point, a supertall will rise. But not because it is a supertall for its own sake. It will be built if a developer thinks it is financially sensible.
This same conservatism is the main reason our banks are prospering in the recession and now four of those almost-super-tall bank buildings are in the top ten North American banks in assets. So it's an atitiude that serves us well.

I doubt I'll ever see a tower taller than FCP in my life time in Toronto. First BMO, TD and RB don't own the towers their in. I'm not sure about Scotia and CIBC. The Scotia bank tower was orignally planned at 76 stories however a closed door meeting with city planning plus a 6 million dollar donation to pubic housing finally got the project approved at 68 stories. The use of concrete for framing such a tall building in Canada was a first. In my opinion its still the most attractive of the tall bank tower blocks in TO.

Currently most developers find 50 stories about the most efficient design for office use. Once you go significantly higher services and added matterial costs start eating into the bottom line. Of course land value has a significant weight to the equation. - Ice

[yyzer]

can't find any thread for Casa in the world forums, so here it is.....photo by dt_toronto_geek at urbantoronto.ca.......

[icescraper]

Casa's got a light, modern, airy look to it. A welcome addition to the mid town skyline. - ice

[Dr Nevergold]

Its surprising to me that Toronto doesn't seem to get much traction here at SSP. The city is building more highrises than Chicago, LA, Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta combined.

In the next 5 years there will be an entirely new city of buildings. Here are some of the best of whats going up in Toronto by 2014.



...and this is just the latest and greatest, plenty other smaller or less significant highrise projects going up.

[Tom In Chicago]

^Let us know. . . we're certainly paying attention as long as someone is posting photos or building information. . . but seems that most of the TO forumers are over at the UrbanToronto forums these days. . . too bad. . . it's sorely under-represented here apparently. . .

[yascool]

Ms Tom can you Explain more what do you wanna say because i think i don't agree with you although i don't understand you well but i like this forum i find it useful and Forum idea isn't old idea to say this days ^^.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by BrandonTO

The city is building more highrises than New York, Chicago, LA, Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, and Miami combined.

i'm calling bullshit on that claim. toronto is a very impressive city all on its own; it doesn't need your falsehoods to artificially inflate it.

highrises currently under construction, all data from emporis:

new york - 162
chicago - 41
los angeles - 9
houston - 23
dallas - 10
atlanta - 10
miami - 25________
total - 280

toronto - 115

[AZ KID]

Also the majority of posters are in the Canadian subforum. I guess they do not bother to post in city compilations.

[Dr Nevergold]

^^Its not B.S.

If you look at the planned and u/c list, Toronto has more than all of them, just not combined. You only quoted the u/c list.

And I concede, I was running away with excitement when I said all combined... Sorry, my enthusiasm for TO coming out. BUT its true they have more planned and U/C than New York and all other cities individually.

Toronto - http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/?id=100993
256 planned
115 U/C

Mississauga - http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/?id=100996
17 planned
8 U/C

Mississauga City Centre is 17 miles from Toronto downtown.

New York - http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/?id=101028
154 planned
162 U/C

Chicago - http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/?id=101030
96 planned
41 U/C

LA - http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/?id=101029
56 planned
9 U/C

Houston - http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/?id=101031
49 planned
23 U/C

Dallas - http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/?id=101036
20 planned
10 U/C

Atlanta - http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/?id=101302
57 planned
10 U/C

Miami - http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/?id=101321
126 planned
25 U/C


You will find most interesting that Toronto has the same number of buildings - not including Mississauga - as Chicago, LA, Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta combined being constructed.

You have to admit, that is extremely impressive.

[WhipperSnapper]

Emporis' Toronto page is a joke eventhough the figures for under construction aren't too far off.

Planned has little meaning especially during these economic times. We'll be lucky if half of those pre-leasing/selling get off the ground and one fifth of those in the planning stages.

[Dr Nevergold]

Eh, the planned list may be hurt a little bit, but the planned will be hurt more so on the US list as the Canadian banks aren't in crisis lending mode. Although their bottom lines have been receding lately, particularly CIBC.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by BrandonTO

^^Its not B.S.

yes, it in fact is bullshit. your initial claim was completely factually wrong. if you had left out the word "combined", i would have left it alone, but as you wrote it, i felt that such a gross exaggeration of the truth needed correction.

toronto is an awesome city, one of my favorites that i've ever been to, and yes, it is going through a very impressive building boom, but we do not need to invent lies about the place to make it seem even better and more impressive than it already is. that kind of boosterism malarkey is what earned toronto forumers such a bad reputation on this forum a decade ago.





FYI, "planned buildings" means very little to me, anybody can "plan" a building, hell, i'm proposing to build 400 highrises in Peoria, IL once the credit market clears up. BAM, there you go, peoria now has 400 "planned" highrises. it's a mostly meaningless categorization to me. "under construction" is where the meat is at.

[Dr Nevergold]

I've already apologized (and corrected the original post) for saying combined including New York, and I admitted over-exuberance. Not sure what else to say...

Toronto still has more buildings under construction and planned than any city in North America. And it still has more U/C and planned than Chicago, LA, Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta combined. Its very impressive indeed.

The only thing that made my statement inaccurate was the fact that I included New York, I honestly didn't realize they had that many planned and U/C.

If you want to discuss the planned vs U/C list, okay, but I will say that given the fact that Canadian banks don't have a mortgage crisis on their hands, and with it they don't have a credit crisis, I think a lot of those buildings stand to be built.

Besides, considering the proportion of buildings that were planned in Toronto in the past 10 years that have actually made it to fruition, its an extremely high amount. Far above average.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by BrandonTO

I've already apologized (and corrected the original post) for saying combined including New York, and I admitted over-exuberance. Not sure what else to say...

there is nothing more to say, the matter has now been cleared up. have a nice day

[Dr Nevergold]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

there is nothing more to say, the matter has now been cleared up. have a nice day

Only because of that pesky little town known as New York.

[J. Will]

As soon as I saw Brandon's claim I knew a Chicago forumer would "come to the rescue".

[Dr Nevergold]

Well its not like it was that bad of a mistake. I just went too far including New York, collectively its still got a lot more than the other cities mentioned.

[yyzer]

can't find a thread for this in the highrise section, but here is CASA in Toronto, almost topped out at 46 of 47 stories, one of the nicer condos going up in TO today...pic by dt_toronto_geek at urbantoronto.ca...