The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[cbnp]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Grabbed the latest StatCan employment survey report for May 2024 for NB cities. For some reason they don’t include Fredericton. What’s noteworthy is our labour force grew by a whopping 9,700 (13.8%) in one year! Our participation and employment rates jumped too. Our population grew by 400 in the month of May and 3500 for the rolling 12 months. So that should put current population around 143,000. Hoping that this huge increase in labour force will be followed by a pop in population.

Don’t want to be negative here but based on this chart, even factoring in the population growth, we shed 700 jobs in a month… that’s a huge loss. Anyone know what could’ve contributed to this?

Edit: now realizing my analysis was wrong, the jump in the labour force number is definitely to blame for the increase in unemployment, may have even been a net addition of jobs based on this

[cdnguys]

number of working went up 400 for the month and 7300 for the year. “Employment” is the figure you want to look at as “unemployment” naturally increases when you have a large influx of people into the workforce (workforce = people willing and able to work, not number of employed).

[cbnp]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

number of working went up 400 for the month and 7300 for the year. “Employment” is the figure you want to look at as “unemployment” naturally increases when you have a large influx of people into the workforce (workforce = people willing and able to work, not number of employed).

Thanks, I definitely posted before taking the time to fully digest this chart. Regardless, seems like fantastic news. With investment from JDI in the mill, new port cold storage facility, & whatever is happening in spruce lake (if it comes to fruition), seems like there might actually be some significant growth on the horizon for the city.

[DyAm00394]

Saint John region explores potential multimodal park

https://www.country94.ca/2024/06/24/...ltimodal-park/

“A multimodal transportation and distribution park is being explored for the Saint John region.

Envision Saint John announced Monday that it has hired Deloitte to conduct a feasibility study.

“The development of this new park is an opportunity that only comes along once in a generation,” CEO Andrew Beckett said in a news release.

“Envision Saint John is leading the charge on this project because it’s our job to expedite growth by always keeping an eye on the bigger picture.”

The agency received a combined $200,000 from the federal and provincial governments to help with the study.

Saint John-Rothesay MP Wayne Long said effective supply chain access and transportation to markets that are cost-competitive, dependable, and efficient is critically important for New Brunswick businesses.

“As we invest in projects that assess our region’s strategic location and infrastructure, we position ourselves to create new opportunities for economic growth,” said Long in the release.

Réjean Savoie, minister responsible for the Regional Development Corporation, said this study is an important step in understanding what type of investment is needed and how best to pursue this opportunity.

“The development of infrastructure like a multimodal park will support growth in the Saint John Region as well as the entire province,” said Savoie.

Officials believe the recent investments at Port Saint John, combined with its proximity to the Canada-U.S. border, will make a strong business case for a potential multimodal park.

Over the next couple of months, Deloitte will conduct exploratory research, develop a roadmap, identify suitable locations, and detail timelines.

They will also assess existing infrastructure, outline required investments, and will help paint a clearer picture of its economic benefits.

The project’s business plan is expected to be completed before the end of the year”.

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

Saint John region explores potential multimodal park

https://www.country94.ca/2024/06/24/...ltimodal-park/

Is this not duplicating the Lancaster Logistics Park?

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by adamuptownsj

Is this not duplicating the Lancaster Logistics Park?

That’s an NBSR solution for their own customers.

[darkharbour]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

That’s an NBSR solution for their own customers.

Yes, this would be more of an “inland port” so-to-speak.

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by darkharbour

Yes, this would be more of an “inland port” so-to-speak.

Thanks. If it has to go directly adjacent to a rail line, it pretty much has to go west of the Lancaster Logistics Park or on the rail spur that runs into the east side industrial parks, doesn't it? There aren't too many places that fit the bill. Maybe they ressurect the Ocean Westway industrial park plan from the 2010s (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...sion-1.2728760) or maybe they leverage the barge terminal in Spruce Lake?

[cdnguys]

As mentioned on uptown thread, 99 King starts construction in 3 weeks.
In regards to appearance of height, the elevation from Loyalist Plaza to building site is 23m, therefore the 55m building will have the height appearance of the Brunswick Square office tower, minus the 19th floor crown.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

Saint John region explores potential multimodal park

https://www.country94.ca/2024/06/24/...ltimodal-park/

What exactly is the difference between an intermodal and a multimodal logistics park? Or is there even any difference?

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Sounds like the Saint John Region is really trying to give Moncton a run for its money in terms of the logistics game. Great stuff.

Would be tremendous if this project could somehow be the impetus to have YSJ transition to a mainly cargo focussed airport, and help justify the investment in a combined airport for the Fredericton and Saint John regions. Just speculating, of course, but damn would a combined Fredericton-Saint John airport be amazing for BOTH cities.

We shouldn't wait around for arbitrary milestones like the province surpassing 1 million, before we explore an idea with multi billion dollar growth potential. Afiak, the last provincial airport study shot down the idea of a combined airport for all three main cities, and didn't even explore the feasibility or economic benefits of a combined airport for the Saint John and Fredericton Regions. I think that last airport study was pretty bogus anyways.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

As mentioned on uptown thread, 99 King starts construction in 3 weeks.
In regards to appearance of height, the elevation from Loyalist Plaza to building site is 23m, therefore the 55m building will have the height appearance of the Brunswick Square office tower, minus the 19th floor crown.

Interesting..thanks for the data.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

As mentioned on uptown thread, 99 King starts construction in 3 weeks.
In regards to appearance of height, the elevation from Loyalist Plaza to building site is 23m, therefore the 55m building will have the height appearance of the Brunswick Square office tower, minus the 19th floor crown.

Even from the fifth floor, the views of the Bay of Fundy and surrounding hills of the valley will be pretty incredible



Just too bad they didn't go a little bit higher, as even more of the floors would have those spectacular views, and at 20 storeys, there'd even be some views of the Kennebecasis river. Still, it's going to be our first 12 storey residential building built in over 40 years, and that's significant.

Hopefully this is the start of a trend of more ten storey and above buildings going up in areas of higher elevation Uptown, but also other areas around Saint John to take advantage of those spectacular views that can only be unlocked by building up.

[sailor734]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...dson-1.7244456

More details on this building safety issue. Interesting that while most are in Greater Moncton area at least several are in Saint John. Sounds like all have at least a temporary fix (extra support posts) at this point.
Pretty shocking that there were so many and that a good number of them were finished and occupied.

if this engineer can be believed the risks were very real.

[TitleRequired]

Originally Posted by sailor734

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...dson-1.7244456

More details on this building safety issue. Interesting that while most are in Greater Moncton area at least several are in Saint John. Sounds like all have at least a temporary fix (extra support posts) at this point.
Pretty shocking that there were so many and that a good number of them were finished and occupied.

if this engineer can be believed the risks were very real.

This case is very strange. He didn't want to make a formal complaint, and is going to the press. This isn't standard procedure in how things are supposed to go down. At all.

I wonder why he didn't trust the apegnb process and procedures? In addition there are significant rules in play for reviewing other engineers work, I wonder if he followed them?

[sailor734]

Yet, he wrote the association to suggest they should open an investigation. Not sure what the real difference is and why he wouldn't file a formal complaint.

I agree that is whole thing is a little strange. This women was a practicing engineer for something like 13 years and yet all of a sudden she starts designing structural elements in buildings that are way below minimum standards? Inadequate enough that they posed a real risk of failure. The engineer quoted in the story even said they gave serious consideration to ordering the buildings evacuated immediately.

[DyAm00394]

A new multi-unit residential development is coming to a parcel of land off of Nason Road. This land near Commerce Drive sold in April 2023.

"PROPOSED MUNICIPAL PLAN AMENDMENT - NASON ROAD / MARTHA AVENUE
Public Notice is hereby given that the Common Council of The City of Saint John intends to consider an amendment to the Municipal Development Plan that would:

1. Redesignate on Schedule A of the Municipal Development Plan, land having an approximate area of 6.78 hectares, located on Nason Road, also identified as PID 55086227, from Park and Natural Area to Stable Area, as illustrated below;

2. Redesignate on Schedule B of the Municipal Development Plan, land having an approximate area of 6.78 hectares, located on Nason Road, also identified as PID 55086227, from Park and Natural Area to Stable Residential, as illustrated below.

A public presentation of the proposed amendment will take place at a regular meeting of Common Council, to be held in the Council Chamber at City Hall on Monday, July 8, 2024.



REASON FOR CHANGE:

To permit a multi-unit residential development.

Written objections to the proposed amendment may be made to the Council, in care of the undersigned, by August 7, 2024.

Enquiries may be made at the office of the Common Clerk or Growth & Community Services, City Hall, 15 Market Square, Saint John, N.B. between the hours of 8:30 a.m. and 6:00 p.m., Monday through Thursday, inclusive, holidays excepted.


Common Clerks Office
(506) 658-2862".

https://saintjohn.ca/en/news-and-not...-martha-avenue

[darkharbour]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

A new multi-unit residential development is coming to a parcel of land off of Nason Road. This land near Commerce Drive sold in April 2023.



https://saintjohn.ca/en/news-and-not...-martha-avenue

I hope it's on the hill-side facing toward the East Side and the rest of the residential area and not directly facing the Refinery

[DyAm00394]

From the mayor on social media:

"🏗️ As we near this year's halfway mark, our numbers show we've processed over $85 million of construction activity!

I am heavily optimistic that this trend will continue as more projects move beyond the planning stages. To name a few, there is the New Brunswick Museum, a new school in the South End, JDI NextGen, Americold Cold Storage Warehouse, and many more housing projects across the city".

[cdnguys]

Percy has a redesign. Looks a lot better - taking a queue off of the Admiral Beatty building

[DyAm00394]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Percy has a redesign. Looks a lot better - taking a queue off of the Admiral Beatty building

For anyone wanting to see, I posted the new renderings over on the 91 King Street thread.