The Canadian Electric Vehicle thread - Page 74

homebucket · #**1461** Posted **Dec 16, 2022, 9:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I have a RWD EV (Tesla 3) and it's amazing in the snow, with appropriate winter tires. I don't want to "test the limits", but I've never had anything close to a problem driving.

I can't say the same for the FWD Toyota I had before.

You were probably driving the wrong Toyota.

Toyota Supra | JR23 by JR-Wheels, on Flickr

WarrenC12 · #**1462** Posted **Dec 16, 2022, 11:04 PM**

Oh yeah, I was missing that spoiler... must have been the issue.

theman23 · #**1463** Posted **Dec 16, 2022, 11:13 PM**

Most likely the issue is you were driving an ancient shit box without modern stability and traction control.

WarrenC12 · #**1464** Posted **Dec 16, 2022, 11:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by theman23

Most likely the issue is you were driving an ancient shit box without modern stability and traction control.

It was a 2008 with ABS. It wasn't terrible in the snow, but noticeably worse than what I have today.

Wigs · #**1465** Posted **Dec 16, 2022, 11:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

We're all hydro here in BC. I'll charge whenever I please.

Riiight!
Niagara here. We've Been using renewable energy since the 1890s

He should go whine elsewhere

Cunning Stunt · #**1466** Posted **Dec 16, 2022, 11:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wigs

Riiight!
Niagara here. We've Been using renewable energy since the 1890s

He should go whine elsewhere

Hydroelectric energy generation has all kinds of environmental impacts. You can downplay that now but it’ll move up the “evil human impact’ list once the fossil fuel industry has been eradicated.

casper · #**1467** Posted **Dec 17, 2022, 5:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cunning Stunt

Hydroelectric energy generation has all kinds of environmental impacts. You can downplay that now but it’ll move up the “evil human impact’ list once the fossil fuel industry has been eradicated.

As everyone knows the goal is not to eliminate human impact on the earth. The goal is to minimise the negative impact.

Once we have transitioned off "fossil fuel" if there is something better than hydro, absolutely we should be looking at it. However it is going to us several decades to off fossil fuels.

There are still some people who don't understand how important protecting the environment is. Glad to see your onboard and understand the importance of eradicating the fossil fuel industry.

Acajack · #**1468** Posted **Dec 19, 2022, 3:01 PM**

Getting high summertime range estimates this morning from the Mach-E. Minus 9C. Was plugged in overnight but not in the garage.

acottawa · #**1469** Posted **Dec 19, 2022, 7:19 PM**

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theman23 · #**1470** Posted **Dec 21, 2022, 3:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

It was a 2008 with ABS. It wasn't terrible in the snow, but noticeably worse than what I have today.

ABS just basically prevents your wheels from locking out when braking on slippery surfaces. Modern stability and traction control systems offer far more safety, individually braking wheels to prevent loss of traction and cutting power to prevent loss of control. These have only been mandatory since 2012 I think, so you likely didn’t have it unless you optioned it.

OldDartmouthMark · #**1471** Posted **Dec 21, 2022, 2:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by theman23

ABS just basically prevents your wheels from locking out when braking on slippery surfaces. Modern stability and traction control systems offer far more safety, individually braking wheels to prevent loss of traction and cutting power to prevent loss of control. These have only been mandatory since 2012 I think, so you likely didn’t have it unless you optioned it.

There's more to a vehicle working well in the snow than modern traction and stability control. I think people give these systems too much credit, but that's just my opinion.

FWIW, I've been in situations where I had to turn off the traction control to get through deeper snow because the traction control would just bog it down and get you stuck. Likewise, there are some situations where ABS will actually result in longer stopping distances than non-ABS systems, but overall for non-skilled drivers these systems are a net positive.

Truenorth00 · #**1472** Posted **Dec 21, 2022, 5:49 PM**

The government is about to impose EV sales mandates for light duty vehicles with a credit system to ensure that OEMs provide enough EVs to the Canadian market.

20% in 2026.
60% in 2030.
100% in 2035.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9364191/c...sales-mandate/

Looking forward to EV prices getting better as supply improves after the mandate.

WarrenC12 · #**1473** Posted **Dec 21, 2022, 5:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by OldDartmouthMark

FWIW, I've been in situations where I had to turn off the traction control to get through deeper snow because the traction control would just bog it down and get you stuck. Likewise, there are some situations where ABS will actually result in longer stopping distances than non-ABS systems, but overall for non-skilled drivers these systems are a net positive.

Yep my wife just had to do that this morning.

WarrenC12 · #**1474** Posted **Dec 21, 2022, 6:00 PM**

Great news for supply. Part of the reason BC has great EV sales is that we already have these mandates and they help bring supply of EVs to BC dealers.

whatnext · #**1475** Posted **Dec 21, 2022, 8:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

The government is about to impose EV sales mandates for light duty vehicles with a credit system to ensure that OEMs provide enough EVs to the Canadian market.

20% in 2026.
60% in 2030.
100% in 2035.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9364191/c...sales-mandate/

Looking forward to EV prices getting better as supply improves after the mandate.

Pointless virtue signalling. Par for the course from the Trudeau gov't. That would be tricky in the best of times let alone now with constrained supply chains.

Acajack · #**1476** Posted **Dec 21, 2022, 9:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Truenorth00

The government is about to impose EV sales mandates for light duty vehicles with a credit system to ensure that OEMs provide enough EVs to the Canadian market.

20% in 2026.
60% in 2030.
100% in 2035.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9364191/c...sales-mandate/

Looking forward to EV prices getting better as supply improves after the mandate.

TVA just said that EV sales in Quebec are at 11.4%.

Acajack · #**1477** Posted **Dec 21, 2022, 9:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

TVA just said that EV sales in Quebec are at 11.4%.

OK a guest on TVA (President of Electric Mobility Canada) just said Quebec was already at 13.5%.

Ontario is in the 7%.

He says some European countries are way higher with some in the 90% range!

whatnext · #**1478** Posted **Dec 21, 2022, 9:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

OK a guest on TVA (President of Electric Mobility Canada) just said Quebec was already at 13.5%.

Ontario is in the 7%.

He says some European countries are way higher with some in the 90% range!

It's a big jump even from 13.5%. I'm not sure where Trudeau thinks he will conjure all the vehicles from. And of course, it will raise the prices of vehicles of all kinds.

WarrenC12 · #**1479** Posted **Dec 21, 2022, 10:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

Pointless virtue signalling. Par for the course from the Trudeau gov't. That would be tricky in the best of times let alone now with constrained supply chains.

BC has been doing it for a few years and we lead the country in EV sales. Because they are available, relatively speaking.

WarrenC12 · #**1480** Posted **Dec 21, 2022, 10:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

It's a big jump even from 13.5%. I'm not sure where Trudeau thinks he will conjure all the vehicles from. And of course, it will raise the prices of vehicles of all kinds.

Canada is a foot note for most big car suppliers. They'll just ship more here instead of elsewhere.