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MAC123 · #**1461** Posted **Oct 12, 2021, 11:43 AM**

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Originally Posted by Xing Lin

I don't doubt that the 1646' figure is the likely final height, but so far there hasn't been any rendering or diagram released that shows what the design looks like at 1646', in terms of setback heights, crown and base proportions, etc.

I've made versions of my diagram based on the 1646', 1566', and 1486' figures, though I've only estimated the setback heights for the tallest version:

1646' will probably not be the EXACT height, but it will be close. It's not going to be 100 foot shorter, or 200 foot shorter.

Xing Lin · #**1462** Posted **Oct 12, 2021, 1:59 PM**

Thanks for the explanations guys, I'm not overly familiar with NYC's planning approval process

The greyed design outlines sure add to the fray; I hadn't even realised that the renderings and elevations released for 343MA aren't the full planned height!

fleonzo · #**1463** Posted **Oct 12, 2021, 2:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Xing Lin

Thanks for the explanations guys, I'm not overly familiar with NYC's planning approval process

The greyed design outlines sure add to the fray; I hadn't even realised that the renderings and elevations released for 343MA aren't the full planned height!

Good job Xing! Keep up the great work......

NYguy · #**1464** Posted **Oct 12, 2021, 5:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Xing Lin

Thanks for the explanations guys, I'm not overly familiar with NYC's planning approval process

The greyed design outlines sure add to the fray; I hadn't even realised that the renderings and elevations released for 343MA aren't the full planned height!

Yeah, City Planning has made things unneccasarily complicated in regards to visuals. They do give the heights shown in the drawings (for illustrative purposes I suppose). But only people like us who compare heights to surrounding buildings will even notice or care. Final clarity comes when DOB documents (another increasingly messy website) are filed and viewable. Although subject to changes, those are what ultimately gets built.

gramsjdg · #**1465** Posted **Oct 12, 2021, 7:39 PM**

So, whatever the exact final height will be, is 1646' the maximum allowable? Or could it, say, be 1680' for instance?

NYguy · #**1466** Posted **Oct 12, 2021, 7:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by gramsjdg

So, whatever the exact final height will be, is 1646' the maximum allowable? Or could it, say, be 1680' for instance?

That’s the max. Every study was done for a tower of that size - in both height and square footage. If they wanted larger, it would trigger another 6/7 month ULURP.

They also included in the DEIS/FEIS an option for an all office tower that would be the exact same size in height and square footage.

nlosborne1 · #**1467** Posted **Oct 13, 2021, 4:52 PM**

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The drawings have also shown a tower of 1,486 ft, which it won’t be. They’re saying 1,646 ft is the proposal, and that’s what it’s status should be.

Can you please get someone to change this building’s official height on this page to 1646 ft? Someone keeps changing it from 1646 to 1486 to 1565. The only height confirmed by the developers has always been 1646!

gttx · #**1468** Posted **Oct 13, 2021, 4:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by NYguy

That’s the max. Every study was done for a tower of that size - in both height and square footage. If they wanted larger, it would trigger another 6/7 month ULURP.

They also included in the DEIS/FEIS an option for an all office tower that would be the exact same size in height and square footage.

Correct. These FEIS heights are essentially maximum envelopes to work within. The actual design won't be taller, but also could be slightly shorter in the final form.

NYguy · #**1469** Posted **Oct 13, 2021, 5:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by nlosborne1

Can you please get someone to change this building’s official height on this page to 1646 ft? Someone keeps changing it from 1646 to 1486 to 1565. The only height confirmed by the developers has always been 1646!

It’s already listed here as that.

nlosborne1 · #**1470** Posted **Oct 13, 2021, 5:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by NYguy

It’s already listed here as that.

Yes, the forum shows that, but the diagram page has it at 1565, which is incorrect according to your post.

NYguy · #**1471** Posted **Oct 13, 2021, 7:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by nlosborne1

Yes, the forum shows that, but the diagram page has it at 1565, which is incorrect according to your post.

Well, the diagram can be anything. This is still a proposal, and at 1,646 ft officially. Final height could differ, as that is the approximate height.

DCReid · #**1472** Posted **Oct 13, 2021, 8:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by NYguy

Well, the diagram can be anything. This is still a proposal, and at 1,646 ft officially. Final height could differ, as that is the approximate height.

Seems a little crazy to stress over the height while still a proposal. I recall that 1 Vandy was supposed to be 1501 ft and was changed to 1401 feet, and 3 WTC was reduced in height right before construction (and the fins removed). Let's keep our fingers crossed on this one...

pianowizard · #**1473** Posted **Oct 13, 2021, 11:37 PM**

^Very good point. As long as this is at least 1,551 ft (i.e. taller than the Central Park Tower), I am happy.

PS: I just noticed that Emporis shows the height as 1,486 ft.

Xing Lin · #**1474** Posted **Oct 14, 2021, 3:35 PM**

Night-time photomontage I made, featuring The Commodore along with all the future supertalls nearby

Edited from a still from this video by VisualHouse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO5CVE81pjs

MAC123 · #**1475** Posted **Oct 14, 2021, 4:01 PM**

Would love to see 175 at night from the top of the bar at 350. That's gonna be really cool.

Xing Lin · #**1476** Posted **Oct 14, 2021, 4:35 PM**

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Would love to see 175 at night from the top of the bar at 350. That's gonna be really cool.

It would be tomorrow's equivalent to the famous Rainbow Room view

MAC123 · #**1477** Posted **Oct 14, 2021, 4:48 PM**

This city planning vote is on the 18th right? That's only 4 days from now. (well less than 4 now)

NYguy · #**1478** Posted **Oct 14, 2021, 5:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by DCReid

Seems a little crazy to stress over the height while still a proposal. I recall that 1 Vandy was supposed to be 1501 ft and was changed to 1401 feet, and 3 WTC was reduced in height right before construction (and the fins removed). Let's keep our fingers crossed on this one...

Vandy was lower, then went higher, then lower again. 30 Hudson did the same. The Spiral was pushed higher, as was Steinway and CPT. The point is, even if the developers marched out a model of the building and stated it was 1,646 ft, plans are always tweaked a little bit. So as it is, it’s 1,646 ft until it’s not.

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Originally Posted by MAC123

This city planning vote is on the 18th right? That's only 4 days from now. (well less than 4 now)

No real secret how that’s gonna go. What we need is an office tenant to jump on board. But although they have been talking, it’s way too soon for any commitments when the tower isn’t officially approved.

JMKeynes · #**1479** Posted **Oct 14, 2021, 6:25 PM**

It seems that approval is pretty much a given at this point though, right?

MAC123 · #**1480** Posted **Oct 14, 2021, 6:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by JMKeynes

It seems that approval is pretty much a given at this point though, right?

Most likely.