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Most likely so that they don't have to re-do the curbs if they decide to implement it.
a degree of foresight i don't expect from the city lol
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It’s like they already know they are going to do it. Just like I believe they already know that closing the underground was a bluff to shut the suburban NIMBYs up in order to open the intersection.

Sometimes you just have to lie in order to do the right and smart thing against a less than smart masses. And I’m here for it.
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a degree of foresight i don't expect from the city lol
It's kind of like the scramble crossing pilot they're doing on King x Bannatyne. They don't explicitly say you can cross diagonally, but the light timing is programmed as such that you can. If they decided to re-do the curbs for the pilot study, it would've costed them something like a couple hundred thousand more .
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Portage and Main to reopen to pedestrians on June 27 according to Winnipeg Free Press. The report does not say what time so there may or may not be an impact on rush hour traffic.

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/br...rtage-and-main
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It’s like they already know they are going to do it. Just like I believe they already know that closing the underground was a bluff to shut the suburban NIMBYs up in order to open the intersection.

Sometimes you just have to lie in order to do the right and smart thing against a less than smart masses. And I’m here for it.
I think closing the underground is a bluff to get the property owners at the corners to pony up cash to repair it, as their tenants and their employees get the biggest benefit from it.
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^ makes sense. It was definitely snarling up traffic this morning. Except for those of us brave enough to stay on the north most lane of eastbound Portage - but then that concrete bump out kind of surprised me. It should get painted out in a bright colour, otherwise someone is going to drive right into it.
I heard this elsewhere. Are they completely done there with the median further west? I haven't been downtown in weeks as I'm off work until October!

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It’s like they already know they are going to do it. Just like I believe they already know that closing the underground was a bluff to shut the suburban NIMBYs up in order to open the intersection.

Sometimes you just have to lie in order to do the right and smart thing against a less than smart masses. And I’m here for it.
Not lie. Exaggerate.

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It’s like they already know they are going to do it. Just like I believe they already know that closing the underground was a bluff to shut the suburban NIMBYs up in order to open the intersection.

Sometimes you just have to lie in order to do the right and smart thing against a less than smart masses. And I’m here for it.
Count me in too. The NIMBYs have too much power in this city. If it makes our city a better place, so be it.
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Street view, déjà vu
Nearly five decades after forcing people underground, crosswalk traffic is about to return to Portage and Main
By: Ben Waldman
Posted: 4:57 PM CDT Friday, Jun. 20, 2025



Since immigrating to Canada two weeks ago from Romania, Andrew Vlad and Vanessa Chira have been impressed by their newly adopted home of Winnipeg.

But on Wednesday afternoon, the engaged tech workers stood at one corner of the city’s most famous intersection, attempting for the first time to solve the riddle of crossing Portage Avenue and Main Street.

Vlad shook his head, overwhelmed in confusion: he could see from 201 Portage Ave. at the northwest corner his ultimate destination — the CIBC branch on the other side of the street — but for a building so close, it was still so far out of reach.

The pair of new Winnipeggers were experiencing a rite of circuitous passage that will soon be eliminated for all downtown pedestrians.



The following morning, Mayor Scott Gillingham announced pedestrians will be able to legally traverse Portage and Main in all directions at controlled, street-level crosswalks in a matter of days.

For the first time in 46 years, a pedestrian won’t need to play chicken to cross at the juncture of this city’s most iconic roads.

“June 27,” Gillingham told CBC during his monthly radio interview. “There will be a media event, but as I’ve said all along: Portage and Main, it’s important to Winnipeg’s history, it’s important to our future, but as I’ve said all along, at the end of the day, it’s just an intersection.”

In a literal sense, the mayor is correct, but that simple intersection — below grade, on the sidewalk and in downtown boardrooms with an eagle-eyed view of the thrum below — has been the source of intense multi-generational debate, taking on an almost mythic stature at the heart of city life while defining the tenor of civic conversation.

As early as 1971, Jack Willis, the chairman of Metro Winnipeg, was advocating for the closure of the intersection to pedestrians, should the city begin construction on an underground walkway.

Eight years before the intersection’s eventual closure, legendary Winnipeg Tribune columnist Val Werier was already sounding the alarm — or honking the horn — considering the idea of barring pedestrians as a harbinger of a car-centric city to come.

“I have no quarrel with Mr. Willis’ proposal that an underground connection is required, for it is the busiest corner in Winnipeg and traffic will be more hectic with new buildings planned. In addition, pedestrians need some protection for the weather,” wrote Werier, who died in 2014 after 70 years covering the city for the Tribune and Free Press.



“However, I would like to make a plea that instead of banning pedestrians, we ban the cars,” he continued.

“Instead of designing a city based on the needs of the car, we should think of people. Unless some dramatic action is taken in these terms, Winnipeg will be like other large centres where the car determines the downtown character.

“If anything is to be banned, it should be the cars,” he concluded. “After all, people are far more interesting.”

The decision to shut down sidewalk traffic was preceded by a protracted debate, with the city council’s executive policy committee submitting a proposal for the total ban in September 1975, nearly four years before the underground circular concourse (officially called the Portage and Main Circus) opened in February 1979.

While the change was considered a concession to the growing needs of vehicular traffic, it wasn’t met with unanimous support.

Among the loudest — and boldest — detractors were the participants of the burgeoning disability rights movement, who argued the erection of concrete barriers and the funnelling of pedestrians into underground channels were violations of their rights to an accessible downtown.

In the winter of 1979, wheelchair users and their allies breached the barricades to bring traffic to a standstill in protest.

“Portage and Main is an iconic, symbolic place,” the late disability rights advocate Jim Derksen told this reporter in 2018, when the re-opening of the intersection was considered by plebiscite on the day of the civic election.

“If we don’t take measures to update it according to our new values, in a sense we are recommitting the errors of the past,” added Derksen, a multiple barricade-skirting scofflaw.



Former mayor Brian Bowman, who supported the idea of re-establishing pedestrian traffic at Portage and Main, vowed to honour the results of the plebiscite, which ultimately ended with a two-thirds majority opposing the reopening despite a vocal “Vote Open” movement. (Analysis showed the bulk of that majority were commuters who didn’t reside in the city’s core).

However, a city report soon found that the cost of repairing the underground’s leaky membrane could cost $73 million and result in four to five years of traffic delays.

Those anticipated costs were ultimately enough to tip Gillingham, who did not support opening the intersection in 2018 as a councillor, toward crossing the political aisle when it came to Portage and Main.

It’s a decision that will not only help to improve the city’s image, but one which will encourage the development of a more accessible, welcoming downtown, says Melissa Graham, the executive director of the Manitoba League of Persons with Disabilities.

“It changes who that space is for,” Graham says. “It won’t just be for people who use cars. It will be for everybody.”

“This is good for pedestrians, it’s good for businesses and it’s good for the entire city,” says Kirby Cote, the executive director of Accessible Sport Connection Manitoba.

“As a city we should be celebrating our ability to be welcomed,” adds Cote, who is vision impaired and cycles through the area daily.

“We designed a downtown to move cars through it as fast as possible and that’s not the reality of how it’s used.”



Window cleaning supervisor Don MacKinnon has, for 15 years, enjoyed an unparalleled vantage point of the intersection.

At the end of their shift, cleaners often give in to the temptation to snap photographs from their platform outside the highest floors of the Richardson Building, which anchors the intersection’s northeast corner at 1 Lombard Place.

“I never thought in my lifetime they’d open it up again,” says the 53-year-old swing stage supervisor, who was too young to remember crossing at the time of the closure. A longtime Jets fan, MacKinnon says he eagerly anticipates a Stanley Cup celebration at Portage and Main next season.

For some downtown workers, the reopening is something they’ve been looking forward to for years. On her lunch break at her usual spot outside the Fairmont Hotel, just a stone’s throw away from the intersection, Joanna Oznowicz reflected on how much better the downtown looked without the barricades.

But she also thinks the reopening will make life safer for pedestrians, so long as drivers give them proper attention.

“I see people walking in the middle of the street before and I think, you’re going to get killed,” says Oznowicz, 60. “So I hope there will be caution on both sides as we get used to it.”

Paralegal Cheri Harasym is less optimistic.

“Horrible idea,” she says. “Too busy. There’s a reason they’ve been closed for 46 years. The drivers are already looking for too many things, and that’s just more distractions. (Around the office) we think people will end up getting hit, that there will be too many accidents.”



Harasym also expressed concern about the status of the underground circus, which she says downtown workers rely on for relief from the harsh winter weather when going from corner to corner.

“The long-term future of the concourse has not yet been determined,” says Julie Dooley, the city’s acting manager of corporate communications. “We have hired a consultant to assess any requirements of potentially decommissioning it.”

For businesses operating in and around the underground concourse, there’s been very little clarity as to when such a change might occur.

“The unknown is tough,” says Donavan Robinson, a co-owner of Pop CoLab, a corporate creative workshop business that opened two years ago in Lombard Place. “I don’t know that anyone really has an answer.”

Still, Robinson says crossing at street level will help businesses such as his because pedestrians will have an easier time accessing the Portage and Main nexus as a whole.

“Right now people just get confused,” he adds.

Outside the former Bank of Montreal building, now owned by the Manitoba Métis Federation, road crews were putting the finishing touches on the pedestrian island at the midway point of Main Street.

Standing next to them, a young woman stared across to the southwest corner. Seeing no northbound traffic, she ran to the median and, a few moments later, arrived at the opposing corner.

“I had to run my errands,” reasoned Elsie Isiche.

It was thrilling to watch. Come next Friday, it’s an experience every pedestrian can legally enjoy for the first time since 1979.
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Sometimes you just have to lie in order to do the right and smart thing against a less than smart masses. And I’m here for it.
It's a tricky balance all right. one doesn't want to see any level of government routinely being dishonest with the electorate, but a vocal and uninformed electorate can work against their own best interests. In this case I think the city played it perfectly.
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Paralegal Cheri Harasym is less optimistic.

“Horrible idea,” she says. “Too busy. There’s a reason they’ve been closed for 46 years. The drivers are already looking for too many things, and that’s just more distractions. (Around the office) we think people will end up getting hit, that there will be too many accidents.”
Amazing that people can still be this uninformed.
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^Yeah. I also had a good chuckle when I read that. C'mon, people cross at every other major intersection in the city! Why is this one so inherently dangerous?

I worry that motorists, not yet used to the change, may be surprised to see pedestrians crossing. Hopefully motorists pay attention. Honestly, we need to flip the script here. If it's dangerous to pedestrians, the answer is to change the culture for motorists and improve the crossing infrastructure; the answer is not to ban pedestrians!
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Righting Portage and Main wrong the first step on way to a better downtown
By: Dan Lett
Posted: 3:48 PM CDT Sunday, Jun. 22, 2025

Winnipeg is poised for one of the most important do-overs in its long and storied history.

If all goes to schedule, Portage Avenue and Main Street will — finally, thankfully — be open to pedestrians this week. The intensive work to remove the brutalist concrete barriers is, rather remarkably, approaching completion.

After having debated it for so long, Winnipeggers can now stop talking about if it’s going to happen, and start asking themselves what it means.



That is an incredibly different question to answer, given there is still likely a deep divide between those who think this is a good idea, and those who consider it to be a colossal waste of money.

Regardless of which camp you’re in, let’s consider what it could mean.

The closure of the intersection to pedestrians was an enormous error. However, it was an error that was very much in lockstep with urban-design thinking in the late 1970s, when the barriers were erected.

At that time, cities all over North America bent over backwards to make it easier for cars to move in, about and back out of downtown areas. The Portage and Main barriers, along with the Winnipeg Square underground mall, were considered best practices for helping vehicular traffic and giving pedestrians a safe and warm place to go.

Today, we can see rather easily that this kind of approach to downtown design was deeply flawed.

Making it easier for cars and trucks to move around is not conducive to a livable neighbourhood. Nor are measures that take people off the streets, even in a city such as Winnipeg, where harsh weather makes going outside a somewhat challenging concept.

Cities of all sizes are undertaking do-overs for this kind of design thinking.

Boston, San Francisco and Milwaukee have completed projects to remove downtown freeways built as monuments to the automobile. Even Halifax recently replaced its infamous Cogswell Interchange — a multi-level highway that bisected the downtown — with a more traditional street grid design that sought to restore pedestrian traffic and improve active-transportation links.

That makes the decision to remove the Portage and Main barriers, which was undertaken rather courageously by Mayor Scott Gillingham and council last year, very much in keeping with current thinking.

However, before anyone questions whether this contemporary mindset is, like its predecessors, doomed to be abandoned within a few more decades, consider that we’re quickly moving to a model of downtown pedestrian and vehicular traffic that has proven to be both successful and enduring in other countries.

When you don’t spend money on building bigger, longer, wider roads, you have a lot of additional money to spend on other things, including walkability, active and public transportation and promoting densification of residential development. These are the building blocks of sustainable, livable downtowns.

In fact, if we should hope for any single consequence from the reopening of our famous intersection, it should be that it’s just the start of more courageous decisions to make downtown more welcoming for foot traffic.

The city is already inching closer to this idea in other areas of downtown. Graham Avenue, for example, will undergo an initial conversion, losing its designation as a dedicated bus route and allowing car traffic, albeit with a much lower speed limit. Longer term, Gillingham has talked about the possibility of turning it into a pedestrian mall and cycling route.

The same conversation needs to unfold on the future of the west Exchange District.

Bannatyne and McDermot avenues, along with Albert and Arthur streets, are ripe for a pedestrian mall. As it stands now, parts of all of those routes are closed periodically during the summer to accommodate music and theatre festivals. Those closures provides valuable insight into how a permanent pedestrian mall would impact that area.

Just about everyone who lives or works in the Exchange knows that in the first few days after the barriers are put up for a festival, traffic is a hot mess as drivers get trapped on the area’s network of one-way streets. After the initial shock and awe, however, they choose different routes to avoid the most-affected streets and intersections.

It’s proof that like rainwater, traffic that is stopped from going in one direction will eventually leak out and find another way to get where it wants to go.

Our aversion to permanent pedestrian malls is one of the mindsets that prevents Canadian cities from taking downtown revitalization to the next level.

In the United Kingdom, for example, it is rarer to find a town or city that has not closed its core to vehicles. Sometimes, vehicular traffic is allowed in these areas during business hours but is blocked during the evening and on weekends.

Combine pedestrian malls with robust and accessible transit hubs — as is almost always the case in the U.K. — and you’ve got a tried and true way of pulling people into the core.

On its own, reopening one intersection isn’t going to transform the downtown, but as an incentive for local government to continue pressing for similar innovations, it could be transformative.
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Crosswalks are painted!



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Does it bother anyone else that the lines are all over the place? It just screams lazy.
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Does it bother anyone else that the lines are all over the place? It just screams lazy.
Yes, I thought the same thing.
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They match all the other pedestrian crossing bars in the city in not being completely in a straight line.

The city crews do not spray them using a rectangle template so there is going to be some deviation in the lines from when the spray operator takes their finger off the trigger.

Give it a few weeks and the water based paint that the city uses will be scuffed off and nobody will see the sight difference in the lengths.
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They match all the other pedestrian crossing bars in the city in not being completely in a straight line.

The city crews do not spray them using a rectangle template so there is going to be some deviation in the lines from when the spray operator takes their finger off the trigger.

Give it a few weeks and the water based paint that the city uses will be scuffed off and nobody will see the sight difference in the lengths.
The water based paint is such an own goal. Slightly less toxic (pigments and dyes are still toxic) but you need to paint them 10 times as frequently.
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