Manitoba Highways

[Winnipeg Grump]

Having just completed a road trip to New Mexico, I might as well jump in.

Yes, 75 S is better than before but still an embarrassment. Like Biff said, you might as well route all of the traffic over to the northbound roadway and do a proper fix. In the States, they'll do that and still maintain a 60 - 65 mph speed through the zone, unlike in Canada where we'll drop it to 60 kph!

If anyone needed an illustration for how well they do roadwork versus here in Manitoba - just south of Fargo is a slight jog to the east on I-29. You don't really think anything about it because the quality of the road doesn't change, unless you look to the west and notice that they're rebuilding the road from scratch. So they built a detour to interstate standards, so that they could do a rebuild on a stretch of the road.

And it's not just the interstates. Instead of taking I-29 down to Oklahoma City and then running west, we shifted over at Omaha and went as the crow flies. Their state routes are as good as the TCH and even when Google Maps gave a shorter route that put us down some back-country 2-lane road, it was still in excellent shape.

It's just so depressing to come back to this province's roads.

[VANRIDERFAN]

Originally Posted by Winnipeg Grump

Having just completed a road trip to New Mexico, I might as well jump in.

Yes, 75 S is better than before but still an embarrassment. Like Biff said, you might as well route all of the traffic over to the northbound roadway and do a proper fix. In the States, they'll do that and still maintain a 60 - 65 mph speed through the zone, unlike in Canada where we'll drop it to 60 kph!

If anyone needed an illustration for how well they do roadwork versus here in Manitoba - just south of Fargo is a slight jog to the east on I-29. You don't really think anything about it because the quality of the road doesn't change, unless you look to the west and notice that they're rebuilding the road from scratch. So they built a detour to interstate standards, so that they could do a rebuild on a stretch of the road.

And it's not just the interstates. Instead of taking I-29 down to Oklahoma City and then running west, we shifted over at Omaha and went as the crow flies. Their state routes are as good as the TCH and even when Google Maps gave a shorter route that put us down some back-country 2-lane road, it was still in excellent shape.

It's just so depressing to come back to this province's roads.

Not having the freeze thaw issues that we have helps. But you're right our roads are shyte.

Although the re-done Highway 23 is a dream to drive on now.

[Winnipeg Grump]

Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN

Not having the freeze thaw issues that we have helps. But you're right our roads are shyte.

Although the re-done Highway 23 is a dream to drive on now.

Grafton, ND's climate is the same as Emerson, MB's.
It's all funding.

They recognize the importance of moving people and product efficiently.

[rivercity]

Dont know how many times it has to be said. We cant compare Manitoba highways to Interstates. The funding model is insanely different.

[bomberjet]

The Fargo thing is part of the new floodway they are building. IIRC they basically built a new, proper highway as the detour.

But yes on the Interstate, they typically have very strict requirements for detours. Proper lanes marked by cones and the little reflective bumps for lane markings.

Not like in Winnipeg where they have shitty cone layouts that get knocked down and then it's a free for all. There were numerous times during the BRT project where people hit the cones, drove into excavations and such. Incredible.

[Winnipeg Grump]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

The Fargo thing is part of the new floodway they are building. IIRC they basically built a new, proper highway as the detour.

But yes on the Interstate, they typically have very strict requirements for detours. Proper lanes marked by cones and the little reflective bumps for lane markings.

Not like in Winnipeg where they have shitty cone layouts that get knocked down and then it's a free for all. There were numerous times during the BRT project where people hit the cones, drove into excavations and such. Incredible.

Learned something new today - thanks, Bomberjet!

[Kinguni]

Originally Posted by plrh

Funny enough, today is their contractual completion date, according to the original tender. This was a big job for that particular contractor. I haven't seen it, do they have lots of work left?

Just about half done. One bit of concrete curing and they should be asphalting shoulders soon. Not sure what else they have time to do this year.

I thought it was supposed to be completed this year but I'm guessing next year some time. By the end of the month at least there won't be a construction detour.

[bomberjet]

The weather is supposed to warm up a bit. But they're pushing it for paving now. It's the whole thing about concrete in freezing temps. Are they going to tarp the entire roadway if needed? Maybe.

Asphalt is easier to lay, but still shouldnt be done in freezing temps. MTI probably wouldn't let them do it and we'd sit half finished until next summer.

Batch plants will be shutting down for the year soon. Not looking good.

[Biff]

"Superpave!"

MB Government News Release

November 7, 2022

MANITOBA GOVERNMENT INVESTS $5.75 MILLION FOR PAVEMENT, SIGNAL UPGRADES ON TRANS-CANADA HIGHWAY
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Project Will Accommodate Increased Traffic and Development: Piwniuk

As part of its comprehensive plan to improve the safety, functionality and reliability of the provincial highway network, the Manitoba government is investing $5.75 million for pavement and signal upgrades on a 2.2-kilometre section of the Trans-Canada Highway, including both the eastbound and westbound lanes of this twinned roadway in the city of Brandon, Transportation and Infrastructure Minister Doyle Piwniuk announced today.

“Our government recognizes the increasing population and growing economy in the city of Brandon and is responding with appropriate improvements to support this growth,” said Piwnuik. “Projects like this will accommodate increasing traffic and promote development in the area, as well as support free-flow conditions on the Trans-Canada Highway.

These investments are critical for economic recovery and growth, which remain at the centre of our plan for a stronger, more prosperous Manitoba.”

Rehabilitating the pavement improves the serviceability and safety of the roadway while upgrading the signals enhances operations at the intersections and provides a more reliable vehicle detection system for future traffic capacity. These upgrades improve efficiency on this major interprovincial and international trade route, noted the minister.

As part of the project, the section of the Trans-Canada Highway between the two junctions of Provincial Trunk Highway 10, plus an additional 300 metres of roadway in either direction will be resurfaced. To maximize the lifespan of the repairs, the project will use Superpave asphalt mix, which minimizes cracks and ruts and lasts up to 20 years.

The minister noted earlier project designs had planned to add a thin overlay over the existing pavement. However, given the importance of this section of the provincial highway network, the department decided to proceed with an expanded project as part of its overall strategic investments in Manitoba’s key international trade corridors. The expanded project will mill the roadway to remove deteriorated pavement and then add 10 centimetres of Superpave.

The project will also upgrade the traffic detection equipment at both intersections to a more reliable system that can be easily adjusted for future traffic capacity.

“The City of Brandon is thrilled to see the investment that the province is making in the important upgrades for this prominent section of the Trans-Canada Highway between First and 18th streets in Brandon,” said Mayor Jeff Fawcett, City of Brandon. “Our city and region are growing and improvements such as these will ensure safe passage for all motorists from near and far.”

Zenith Paving was awarded the contract to pave the Trans-Canada Highway. The concrete work has started, with the entire project to be completed by summer 2023.

[drew]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

The weather is supposed to warm up a bit. But they're pushing it for paving now. It's the whole thing about concrete in freezing temps. Are they going to tarp the entire roadway if needed? Maybe.

Asphalt is easier to lay, but still shouldnt be done in freezing temps. MTI probably wouldn't let them do it and we'd sit half finished until next summer.

Batch plants will be shutting down for the year soon. Not looking good.

They are supposed to be paving my street this week.

I wonder how that's going to go... My money is on gravel till next May.

[esquire]

Thank goodness for the Brandon Superpave™ project. That stretch of TCH through town is just abysmal, and frankly, embarrassing.

Now can we talk about interchanges there?

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by drew

They are supposed to be paving my street this week.

I wonder how that's going to go... My money is on gravel till next May.

Based on the forecast, they have until Wednesday. Over night lows of 0c and 1c. The it's over as winter temps set in.

[bomberjet]

SuperPaaaaave!

Monoraaaaaail!

[esquire]

interstate-quality asphalt

[harls]

Originally Posted by Biff

As part of its comprehensive plan to improve the safety, functionality and reliability of the provincial highway network, the Manitoba government is investing $5.75 million for pavement and signal upgrades on a 2.2-kilometre section of the Trans-Canada Highway, including both the eastbound and westbound lanes of this twinned roadway in the city of Brandon, Transportation and Infrastructure Minister Doyle Piwniuk announced today.

Fuck off. Where is the Brandon bypass?

Mike would not like this.

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[drew]

Isn't the current route of the TCH already a Brandon bypass? They just added some traffic lights along the way for good measure.

Time to bypass the bypass?

[harls]

Originally Posted by drew

Isn't the current route of the TCH already a Brandon bypass? They just added some traffic lights along the way for good measure.

Time to bypass the bypass?

I thought there was some pie-in-the-sky plan to go north of the TCH because they don't know what they are doing..

[esquire]

Originally Posted by harls

I thought there was some pie-in-the-sky plan to go north of the TCH because they don't know what they are doing..

Then as soon as that gets built, the minister's cousin will get the OK to build a Tim Horton's/Esso with direct turnoff access to that bypass bypass

[bomberjet]

The plan is to add a service road north of the businesses on the north side, same as the south side. Then interchanges at the #10 junctions. Hwy in between is free flow.

The plans were posted on here sometime recently by me.

[harls]

Originally Posted by esquire

Then as soon as that gets built, the minister's cousin will get the OK to build a Tim Horton's/Esso with direct turnoff access to that bypass bypass

Esso has the Jack Links cartel behind them.