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Urbanguy · #**1441** Posted **Jan 19, 2012, 3:51 AM**

Population of New York City area reaches 19 million
The Business Journals by G. Scott Thomas
Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 1:00am EST

The New York City market hit a population milestone in the pre-dawn hours.

The nation's largest metropolitan area reached a population of 19 million at 5:55 a.m. this Wednesday, according to new estimates by On Numbers. New York is more than 6 million residents ahead of the national runner-up, Los Angeles.

The database below contains the estimated populations of 942 metropolitan and micropolitan areas as of Jan. 15, as well as their official 2010 headcounts. Use the tab to isolate a single state, or simply hit Search to view the entire list.

On Numbers has developed a computer program that analyzes a decade's worth of demographic data to project the populations of states, metros and counties. The program also predicts the dates at which milestones (defined as populations ending in four zeros) will be reached.

Jan. 15, 2012 MSA Estimates & pop. change since 2010 Census Apr. 1, 2010

1 New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 18,999,490 ( 102,381 )
2 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 12,915,425 ( 86,588 )
3 Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 9,527,962 ( 66,857 )
4 Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 6,603,870 ( 232,097 )
5 Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 6,191,498 ( 244,698 )
6 Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 6,012,176 ( 46,833 )
7 Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 5,746,616 ( 164,446 )
8 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 5,657,815 ( 93,180 )
9 Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 5,422,852 ( 153,992 )
10 Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 4,593,914 ( 41,512 )
11 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 4,396,357 ( 60,966 )
12 Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 4,391,644 ( 166,793 )
13 Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ 4,342,557 ( 149,670 )
14 Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 4,252,417 ( -43,833 )
15 Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 3,514,948 ( 75,139 )
16 Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 3,333,713 ( 53,880 )
17 San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 3,158,073 ( 62,760 )
18 Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 2,841,793 ( 58,550 )
19 St. Louis, MO-IL 2,829,894 ( 16,998 )
20 Baltimore-Towson, MD 2,736,845 ( 26,356 )
21 Denver-Aurora-Broomfield, CO 2,622,648 ( 79,166 )
22 Pittsburgh, PA 2,350,573 ( -5,712 )
23 Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA 2,282,274 ( 56,265 )
24 San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX 2,236,493 ( 93,985 )
25 Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL 2,210,151 ( 75,740 )
26 Sacramento--Arden-Arcade--Roseville, CA 2,200,811 ( 51,684 )
27 Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN 2,146,002 ( 15,851 )
28 Kansas City, MO-KS 2,069,664 ( 34,330 )
29 Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH 2,064,950 ( -12,290 )
30 Las Vegas-Paradise, NV 2,032,835 ( 81,566 )
31 Columbus, OH 1,876,811 ( 40,275 )
32 San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA 1,871,608 ( 34,697 )
33 Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC 1,836,354 ( 78,316 )
34 Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos, TX 1,814,188 ( 97,899 )
35 Indianapolis-Carmel, IN 1,797,063 ( 40,822 )
36 Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC 1,685,786 ( 14,103 )
37 Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro--Franklin, TN 1,639,245 ( 49,311 )
38 Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA 1,600,586 ( -266 )
39 Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI 1,565,236 ( 9,328 )
40 Jacksonville, FL 1,381,989 ( 36,393 )
41 Memphis, TN-MS-AR 1,334,945 ( 18,845 )
42 Louisville/Jefferson County, KY-IN 1,306,171 ( 22,605 )
43 Oklahoma City, OK 1,287,922 ( 34,935 )
44 Richmond, VA 1,285,112 ( 26,861 )
45 Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT 1,221,907 ( 9,526 )
46 Raleigh-Cary, NC 1,197,174 ( 66,684 )
47 Salt Lake City, UT 1,156,274 ( 32,077 )
48 New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA 1,153,781 ( -13,983 )
49 Birmingham-Hoover, AL 1,139,957 ( 11,910 )
50 Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY 1,132,256 ( -3,253 )
51 Rochester, NY 1,057,821 ( 3,498 )
52 Tucson, AZ 997,705 ( 17,442 )
53 Honolulu, HI 971,059 ( 17,852 )
54 Tulsa, OK 955,866 ( 18,388 )
55 Fresno, CA 954,188 ( 23,738 )
56 Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT 926,699 ( 9,870 )
57 Albuquerque, NM 916,883 ( 29,806 )
58 Omaha-Council Bluffs, NE-IA 885,812 ( 20,462 )
59 Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY 876,839 ( 6,123 )
60 Bakersfield-Delano, CA 870,532 ( 30,901 )
61 New Haven-Milford, CT 868,973 ( 6,496 )
62 Dayton, OH 840,331 ( -1,171 )
63 Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA 838,147 ( 14,829 )
64 Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton, PA-NJ 833,363 ( 12,190 )
65 El Paso, TX 829,924 ( 29,277 )
66 Baton Rouge, LA 823,096 ( 20,612 )
67 McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, TX 817,750 ( 42,981 )
68 Worcester, MA 805,299 ( 6,747 )
69 Columbia, SC 791,614 ( 24,016 )
70 Grand Rapids-Wyoming, MI 777,950 ( 3,790 )
71 Greensboro-High Point, NC 739,184 ( 15,383 )
72 Little Rock-North Little Rock-Conway, AR 718,375 ( 18,618 )
73 North Port-Bradenton-Sarasota, FL 716,803 ( 14,522 )
74 Knoxville, TN 711,338 ( 13,308 )
75 Akron, OH 703,358 ( 158 )
76 Stockton, CA 703,240 ( 17,934 )
77 Springfield, MA 694,404 ( 1,462 )
78 Charleston-North Charleston-Summerville, SC 688,307 ( 23,700 )
79 Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY 676,023 ( 5,722 )
80 Colorado Springs, CO 672,040 ( 26,427 )
81 Syracuse, NY 665,850 ( 3,273 )
82 Greenville-Mauldin-Easley, SC 652,076 ( 15,090 )
83 Toledo, OH 647,491 ( -3,938 )
84 Cape Coral-Fort Myers, FL 645,676 ( 26,922 )
85 Boise City-Nampa, ID 640,972 ( 24,411 )
86 Wichita, KS 634,076 ( 11,015 )
87 Lakeland-Winter Haven, FL 620,346 ( 18,251 )
88 Des Moines-West Des Moines, IA 587,149 ( 17,516 )
89 Madison, WI 579,684 ( 11,091 )
90 Augusta-Richmond County, GA-SC 570,510 ( 13,633 )
91 Ogden-Clearfield, UT 567,734 ( 20,550 )
92 Scranton--Wilkes-Barre, PA 565,346 ( 1,715 )
93 Youngstown-Warren-Boardman, OH-PA 559,600 ( -6,173 )
94 Harrisburg-Carlisle, PA 557,307 ( 7,832 )
95 Provo-Orem, UT 554,349 ( 27,539 )
96 Palm Bay-Melbourne-Titusville, FL 550,432 ( 7,056 )
97 Jackson, MS 546,540 ( 7,483 )
98 Chattanooga, TN-GA 537,004 ( 8,861 )
99 Lancaster, PA 528,143 ( 8,698 )
100 Modesto, CA 523,059 ( 8,606 )

Extras

Spokane, WA 481,182 ( 9,961 )
Anchorage, AK 394,061 ( 13,240 )

Source: The Business Journals

California's population takes aim at 38 million
The Business Journals by G. Scott Thomas
Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 1:00am EST

California's population is on the verge of 38 million, while Texas' total has just passed 26 million.

That's according to On Numbers' latest population estimates, which were generated by a computer program that projects the populations of states, metropolitan areas and counties, based on demographic trends since 2000.

The following database contains Jan. 15 estimates for all 50 states and the District of Columbia, along with their official numbers from the 2010 census.

California, which is far and away the most populous state, had an estimated 37,884,602 residents at January's midpoint. Runner-up Texas had 26,017,907.

On Numbers is projecting that California's population odometer will roll over to 38 million on May 12. (The computer is actually more precise than that, predicting that the target will be reached at 11:49 a.m. on that Saturday.)

Texas passed the 26 million mark at 7:07 p.m. on New Year's Day, according to the projections.

Rounding out the top five in the population standings as of Jan. 15 were New York (19,442,080), Florida (19,221,784) and Illinois (12,906,281).

Jan. 15, 2012 State & DC Estimates & pop. change since 2010 Census Apr. 1, 2010

1 California 37,884,602 ( 630,646 )
2 Texas 26,017,907 ( 872,346 )
3 New York 19,442,080 ( 63,978 )
4 Florida 19,221,784 ( 420,474 )
5 Illinois 12,906,281 ( 75,649 )
6 Pennsylvania 12,783,164 ( 80,785 )
7 Ohio 11,555,168 ( 18,664 )
8 Georgia 9,921,585 ( 233,932 )
9 Michigan 9,839,333 ( -44,307 )
10 North Carolina 9,812,584 ( 277,101 )
11 New Jersey 8,859,683 ( 67,789 )
12 Virginia 8,172,435 ( 171,411 )
13 Washington 6,884,760 ( 160,220 )
14 Massachusetts 6,594,896 ( 47,267 )
15 Arizona 6,585,467 ( 193,450 )
16 Indiana 6,555,037 ( 71,235 )
17 Tennessee 6,461,724 ( 115,619 )
18 Missouri 6,054,916 ( 65,989 )
19 Maryland 5,857,813 ( 84,261 )
20 Wisconsin 5,735,950 ( 48,964 )
21 Minnesota 5,369,362 ( 65,437 )
22 Colorado 5,174,268 ( 145,072 )
23 Alabama 4,844,454 ( 64,718 )
24 South Carolina 4,740,599 ( 115,235 )
25 Louisiana 4,566,151 ( 32,779 )
26 Kentucky 4,394,760 ( 55,393 )
27 Oregon 3,904,870 ( 73,796 )
28 Oklahoma 3,824,062 ( 72,711 )
29 Connecticut 3,603,680 ( 29,583 )
30 Iowa 3,074,861 ( 28,506 )
31 Mississippi 2,989,615 ( 22,318 )
32 Arkansas 2,963,165 ( 47,247 )
33 Kansas 2,892,052 ( 38,934 )
34 Utah 2,865,723 ( 101,838 )
35 Nevada 2,799,082 ( 98,531 )
36 New Mexico 2,110,002 ( 50,823 )
37 West Virginia 1,864,481 ( 11,487 )
38 Nebraska 1,853,033 ( 26,692 )
39 Idaho 1,614,184 ( 46,602 )
40 Hawaii 1,389,977 ( 29,676 )
41 Maine 1,331,960 ( 3,599 )
42 New Hampshire 1,324,104 ( 7,634 )
43 Rhode Island 1,050,280 ( -2,287 )
44 Montana 1,005,670 ( 16,255 )
45 Delaware 917,361 ( 19,427 )
46 South Dakota 828,116 ( 13,936 )
47 Alaska 729,890 ( 19,659 )
48 North Dakota 684,247 ( 11,656 )
49 Vermont 628,197 ( 2,456 )
50 District of Columbia 612,569 ( 10,846 )
51 Wyoming 577,843 ( 14,217 )

The Business Journals

brickell · #**1442** Posted **Jan 19, 2012, 4:57 PM**

So Florida will be overtaking New York some times this year?

Also noticed this. Poor Ohio
The above Metro list sorted by growth

Quote:

5 Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 6,191,498 244,698
4 Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 6,603,870 232,097
12 Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 4,391,644 166,793
7 Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 5,746,616 164,446
9 Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 5,422,852 153,992
13 Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ 4,342,557 149,670
1 New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 18,999,490 102,381
34 Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos, TX 1,814,188 97,899
24 San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX 2,236,493 93,985
8 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 5,657,815 93,180
2 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 12,915,425 86,588
30 Las Vegas-Paradise, NV 2,032,835 81,566
21 Denver-Aurora-Broomfield, CO 2,622,648 79,166
33 Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC 1,836,354 78,316
25 Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL 2,210,151 75,740
15 Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 3,514,948 75,139
3 Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 9,527,962 66,857
46 Raleigh-Cary, NC 1,197,174 66,684
17 San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 3,158,073 62,760
11 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 4,396,357 60,966
18 Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 2,841,793 58,550
23 Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA 2,282,274 56,265
16 Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 3,333,713 53,880
26 Sacramento--Arden-Arcade--Roseville, CA 2,200,811 51,684
37 Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro--Franklin, TN 1,639,245 49,311
6 Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 6,012,176 46,833
67 McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, TX 817,750 42,981
10 Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 4,593,914 41,512
35 Indianapolis-Carmel, IN 1,797,063 40,822
31 Columbus, OH 1,876,811 40,275
40 Jacksonville, FL 1,381,989 36,393
43 Oklahoma City, OK 1,287,922 34,935
32 San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA 1,871,608 34,697
28 Kansas City, MO-KS 2,069,664 34,330
47 Salt Lake City, UT 1,156,274 32,077
60 Bakersfield-Delano, CA 870,532 30,901
57 Albuquerque, NM 916,883 29,806
65 El Paso, TX 829,924 29,277
95 Provo-Orem, UT 554,349 27,539
84 Cape Coral-Fort Myers, FL 645,676 26,922
44 Richmond, VA 1,285,112 26,861
80 Colorado Springs, CO 672,040 26,427
20 Baltimore-Towson, MD 2,736,845 26,356
85 Boise City-Nampa, ID 640,972 24,411
69 Columbia, SC 791,614 24,016
55 Fresno, CA 954,188 23,738
78 Charleston-North Charleston-Summerville, SC 688,307 23,700
42 Louisville/Jefferson County, KY-IN 1,306,171 22,605
66 Baton Rouge, LA 823,096 20,612
91 Ogden-Clearfield, UT 567,734 20,550
58 Omaha-Council Bluffs, NE-IA 885,812 20,462
41 Memphis, TN-MS-AR 1,334,945 18,845
72 Little Rock-North Little Rock-Conway, AR 718,375 18,618
54 Tulsa, OK 955,866 18,388
87 Lakeland-Winter Haven, FL 620,346 18,251
76 Stockton, CA 703,240 17,934
53 Honolulu, HI 971,059 17,852
88 Des Moines-West Des Moines, IA 587,149 17,516
52 Tucson, AZ 997,705 17,442
19 St. Louis, MO-IL 2,829,894 16,998
27 Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN 2,146,002 15,851
71 Greensboro-High Point, NC 739,184 15,383
82 Greenville-Mauldin-Easley, SC 652,076 15,090
63 Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA 838,147 14,829
73 North Port-Bradenton-Sarasota, FL 716,803 14,522
36 Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC 1,685,786 14,103
90 Augusta-Richmond County, GA-SC 570,510 13,633
74 Knoxville, TN 711,338 13,308
64 Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton, PA-NJ 833,363 12,190
49 Birmingham-Hoover, AL 1,139,957 11,910
89 Madison, WI 579,684 11,091
86 Wichita, KS 634,076 11,015
56 Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT 926,699 9,870
45 Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT 1,221,907 9,526
39 Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI 1,565,236 9,328
98 Chattanooga, TN-GA 537,004 8,861
99 Lancaster, PA 528,143 8,698
100 Modesto, CA 523,059 8,606
94 Harrisburg-Carlisle, PA 557,307 7,832
97 Jackson, MS 546,540 7,483
96 Palm Bay-Melbourne-Titusville, FL 550,432 7,056
68 Worcester, MA 805,299 6,747
61 New Haven-Milford, CT 868,973 6,496
59 Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY 876,839 6,123
79 Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY 676,023 5,722
70 Grand Rapids-Wyoming, MI 777,950 3,790
51 Rochester, NY 1,057,821 3,498
81 Syracuse, NY 665,850 3,273
92 Scranton--Wilkes-Barre, PA 565,346 1,715
77 Springfield, MA 694,404 1,462
75 Akron, OH 703,358 158
38 Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA 1,600,586 -266
62 Dayton, OH 840,331 -1,171
50 Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY 1,132,256 -3,253
83 Toledo, OH 647,491 -3,938
22 Pittsburgh, PA 2,350,573 -5,712
93 Youngstown-Warren-Boardman, OH-PA 559,600 -6,173
29 Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH 2,064,950 -12,290
48 New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA 1,153,781 -13,983
14 Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 4,252,417 -43,833

pesto · #**1443** Posted **Jan 19, 2012, 6:46 PM**

Again the absurdity of treating number 12 Riverside as something separate from LA. For example, what is the next largest MSA with no professional sports teams (football, baseball, basketball, hockey)? You have to go to number 30 Las Vegas. The point being that the IE doesn't need pro teams since they are part of the LA area.

Similar issue for SF-Oakland-Fremont and SJ-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara. Sports teams with the SF and Oakland names are moving to the SJ metro (Santa Clara), without even changing their names (the 49ers and Raiders, if they move). The Oakland A's want to move to the South Bay; they treated Fremont and SJ (two different metro areas if you believe the chart) as equivalent possibilities. In fact, Fremont is contiguous to SJ; Sunnyvale, which is in its metro, is not.

pesto · #**1444** Posted **Jan 19, 2012, 6:51 PM**

Florida will pass NY and Arizona, Nevada and Utah are showing strong growth again. Texas continues off the charts.

NY is surprisingly weak considering NYC's boom. I guess much of the NYC growth is actually in NJ, Conn and Penn.

bunt_q · #**1445** Posted **Jan 19, 2012, 6:53 PM**

Funny in a way that the devastated Sun Belt cities - Phoenix, Las Vegas - are still growing near the top of the pack. Maybe we rushed our pronunciations of their doom a bit.

Denver is still on pace to pass a few more cities by decade's end. Good and bad there, I suppose. By 2020 we'll be firmly top-20.

Colorado will probably pass Minnesota, and maybe Wisconsin too, by the next census.

Pain continues for the Rust Belt. If these numbers are even close, it seems the Great Recession has had less lasting effect on growth patterns than a lot of us thought.

brickell · #**1446** Posted **Jan 19, 2012, 8:28 PM**

Based on the estimates
Georgia just passed Michigan for 8th.
Arizona passed Indiana for 15th

If similar numbers hold up for next year

Florida will pass New York
North Carolina will pass Michigan
Arizona will pass Massachusetts
Utah will pass Kansas
Nebraska will pass West Virginia

ChiSoxRox · #**1447** Posted **Jan 19, 2012, 9:18 PM**

If their growth rates stay roughly stable, Wyoming will pass Vermont in about seven years, leaving Vermont as the least populous state.

unusualfire · #**1448** Posted **Jan 19, 2012, 10:09 PM**

Why are they using numbers for 2 years instead of one for estimates? Some places lost jobs and still gained 100k? How is that even possible?

babybackribs2314 · #**1449** Posted **Jan 20, 2012, 1:10 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by bunt_q

Funny in a way that the devastated Sun Belt cities - Phoenix, Las Vegas - are still growing near the top of the pack. Maybe we rushed our pronunciations of their doom a bit.

Denver is still on pace to pass a few more cities by decade's end. Good and bad there, I suppose. By 2020 we'll be firmly top-20.

Colorado will probably pass Minnesota, and maybe Wisconsin too, by the next census.

Pain continues for the Rust Belt. If these numbers are even close, it seems the Great Recession has had less lasting effect on growth patterns than a lot of us thought.

I don't think those numbers are necessarily accurate... using projections based on the past decade is kind of silly when the country has seen a massive shift in migration/growth patterns since the Great Recession.

mhays · #**1450** Posted **Jan 20, 2012, 2:06 AM**

I didn't read the methodology....it's really just a projection from the past?

I like reading my Puget Sound Business Journal, the local version of the Business Journals empire. But they're not good on demographics, their website is probably designed to be horrible to get people to read the print versions, etc. I wouldn't put that type of BS "estimate" (third party or otherwise) past them.

SpawnOfVulcan · #**1451** Posted **Jan 20, 2012, 7:43 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhays

I didn't read the methodology....it's really just a projection from the past?

I like reading my Puget Sound Business Journal, the local version of the Business Journals empire. But they're not good on demographics, their website is probably designed to be horrible to get people to read the print versions, etc. I wouldn't put that type of BS "estimate" (third party or otherwise) past them.

I agree. I always get excited when I see something about population in the Birmingham Biz Journal, but I'm always let down when it says "On the numbers". They're never accurate...

LMich · #**1452** Posted **Jan 20, 2012, 8:45 AM**

I don't trust the projects, mostly because they are projections, but because similar numbers before the Census numbers came out were wrong all over the place. I think it was the Buffalo Biz Journal projection numbers we were arguing over in 2010. Maybe someone could find those to compare how close they were to the actual results.

On a local note, while it is inevitable that both Georgia and North Carolina will pass Michigan, I'm not sure it's as quickly, or at least I'm not sure if it will be by as much as a project (as opposed to an actual estimate) will show. As show a few pages back, the loss for Michigan was only about 7,500 from the April 2010 estimate base to July 1, 2011, and only 956 from the July 1, 2010 to July 1, 2011 period. It would be shocking if the state didn't show a very modest growth for July 2011 to July 2012, so for all intents and purposes the state is already growing, first time since the July 2005 to July 2006 period.

Zapatan · #**1453** Posted **Jan 20, 2012, 11:37 AM**

NYC isn't growing as fast percentage wise because the population is already so huge.

It grows by about 50-60,000+ people a year, which is obviously not much for NY but it's something.

pesto · #**1454** Posted **Jan 20, 2012, 5:29 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zapatan

NYC isn't growing as fast percentage wise because the population is already so huge.

It grows by about 50-60,000+ people a year, which is obviously not much for NY but it's something.

NYS is weak considering NYC's boom. Looks like net outflow from upstate.

But, as has been noted, who knows how accurate any of this is.

min-chi-cbus · #**1455** Posted **Jan 22, 2012, 3:55 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by babybackribs2314

I don't think those numbers are necessarily accurate... using projections based on the past decade is kind of silly when the country has seen a massive shift in migration/growth patterns since the Great Recession.

I didn't see the methodology either, and am SUPER confused by the data! I mean, cities with major unemployment problems and economic issues are exploding according to this list.

mhays · #**1456** Posted **Jan 22, 2012, 5:32 AM**

The overbuilt sunbelt sprawlers could be filling houses with retirees taking advantage of the 60% off sale. But then we'd be hearing about it, right?

min-chi-cbus · #**1457** Posted **Jan 22, 2012, 7:16 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhays

The overbuilt sunbelt sprawlers could be filling houses with retirees taking advantage of the 60% off sale. But then we'd be hearing about it, right?

Right.....and the problem with buying at foreclosure prices is that your neighbors are all foreclosed or foreclosing, spelling doom for your particular home and the environment around it. That's what I've read, anyways. And, of course, you have to sell your pre-existing home to move, theoretically, which is not an easy thing to do these days.

mhays · #**1458** Posted **Jan 22, 2012, 7:31 PM**

A lot of seniors have second homes. With stock prices doing ok, I suspect a decent number could take advantage of the fire sale, at least if they chose to. (Realizing that most people aren't as well off as they planned to be.)

I wouldn't buy in a neighborhood that's four years old and 30% sold, or maybe even 60%. But something built in 2005 that's 90% occupied would be very different. Not that I'd live in a house or in Phoenix of course.

BevoLJ · #**1459** Posted **Jan 22, 2012, 10:17 PM**

I'm not sure that is really the case here. I mean Texas is a part of that sunbelt sprawl type cities and never had the foreclosure problems the other did because Texas always had much stricter laws regarding those loans since the same banking issues happened to us in the 1980's.

I think it is more about where the jobs have moved, than old farts buying foreclosed housing.

ChiSoxRox · #**1460** Posted **Feb 4, 2012, 5:54 AM**

Playing with some numbers, 22 months have passed since Census day.

At a similar pace from the 2000s, Detroit has already sunk to around 670,000 today, only a few thousand ahead of El Paso, and Cleveland is down to 380,000 (and 49th place). Chicago would be at 2,660,000, again, just keeping the same rate as the 2010 census.

On the other hand, Columbus is almost exactly on 800,000, and Austin would be to 815,000.

The 2011 metro projections arrive in April, and city projections come out in June.