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Old Posted Apr 18, 2013, 8:56 AM
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Early AM Fire in Circuit of the Americas garages. Unknown damage. More info as I get it. Apparently 2 garages affected & possible bike damage.
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2013, 9:26 AM
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Anyone know the garage assignments for this weekend?

Not sure yet, but apparently little to no structural damage. Possible bike damage. No reported injuries.
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2013, 10:59 AM
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Good news!! Looks like no bikes damaged. Apparently a computer caught fire.
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2013, 1:25 PM
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2. The 300K for Grand Am isn't the only exaggerated number here. They're all exaggerated. Supercars will only pull a fraction of the 300K claimed. MotoGP will only pull a fraction of the 225K. F1 didn't pull 300K & didn't sell out, as Geoff Moore recently claimed, & it was the only estimate that was even close. Were those all typos too? No critical examination of the numbers? That's how COTA likes it.
Again, these aren't estimated attendance. This is a story that was obviously written by someone who doesn't understand what a mass gathering permit is or how they work. These numbers are more like the maximum physical capacity of the track.

Come one, if they really were estimating these attendances, they never would have the 800,000 number on their website. Just adding all these numbers up (plus F1) is way over a million (not counting concerts and other events).


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4. Even the claimed Grand Am attendance was exaggerated. 25K? Nobody who was there and paying attention could actually believe that.
Grand-am was multi-day. Are you really claiming they had <10k per day?
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2013, 1:37 PM
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3. How many different BS numbers have they claimed for the capacity of the amphitheater? There have been many, ranging from 8K to 22K. 8K sounds about pretty close, but their claim of 14K is ridiculous to anyone who's ever seen it up close.
You do realize there are different types of seating at the ampitheatre? ~8 is the fixed seating plus floor seating/GA. But there's also lawn seating.

http://austin360amphitheater.com/media-room/fast-facts/

And no, they never claimed 22k capacity. There's 22k parking spots.
http://www.ticketcity.com/austin-tickets/austin360-amphitheater-tickets.html
So yes, there's more parking than seats for a concert, but that's just an artifact of it being at the racetrack.
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2013, 3:12 PM
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2013, 3:19 PM
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Again, these aren't estimated attendance. This is a story that was obviously written by someone who doesn't understand what a mass gathering permit is or how they work. These numbers are more like the maximum physical capacity of the track.

Come one, if they really were estimating these attendances, they never would have the 800,000 number on their website. Just adding all these numbers up (plus F1) is way over a million (not counting concerts and other events).



Grand-am was multi-day. Are you really claiming they had <10k per day?
No, those numbers don't add up to "way over" a million.

300K for F1 (265K announced attendance)
300K for Grand Am
300K for Supercars
225 K for MotoGP

= 1.125 Million...which falls nicely between 800K and 1.2M.

...and again, if they're just using maximums there, then why only 225K for MotoGP when it should easily outdraw Grand Am & Supercars?

Grand Am was 2 days. I'm saying they had less than the claimed 25K in 2 days...and there was basically nobody there on Friday (still don't understand why the 2-day event was scheduled for a Fri-Sat). The 3 permanent GSs hold 20-22K people combined. They were pretty much empty all weekend despite the fact that staff was not checking tickets and we could sit anywhere we wanted with our GA tickets. At the peak of the weekend, they were maybe 15-20% full, collectively. As you can see in the photos, that's a very generous estimate. So where were the other 10-15K people on race day? They weren't out in the GA areas. The entire track from T2 to T15 was pretty much empty the entire time, despite having some of the best views available. There were easily less than 100 people out there at any given time.


The only real accumulations of people outside the 3 permanent GSs all weekend were above T6. Usually 10-20 people:



People were few & far between above the esses:



Anyone with a ticket could walk the paddock all weekend. It was basically empty other than a few fans & mostly team members. Fans were welcomed into the garages as well, but there just weren't many people around. My son and I had free reign:



Nobody home outside the GSs:



Main GS, Rolex Practice:



Main GS, shot from pits during Continental Tire race:



T15 GS during Pro Mazda race:



T15 GS during Rolex Series race:



This is the closest thing to an actual crowd all weekend. Anyone with a ticket could do a pit walk before the Rolex race. Maybe 1000 people showed up for it.



T1 during Rolex Race:

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Old Posted Apr 18, 2013, 4:03 PM
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And no, they never claimed 22k capacity. There's 22k parking spots.
Yes they did. They also claimed 20K, 17K, and 15K,

http://circuitoftheamericas.com/articles/cota-april-construction-update

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2012/01/23/Facilities/Austin.aspx

http://circuitoftheamericas.com/tickets-psl/ticket_page/turn-15-grandstand

http://circuitoftheamericas.com/articles...-amphitheater-at-circuit-of-the-americas


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You do realize there are different types of seating at the ampitheatre? ~8 is the fixed seating plus floor seating/GA. But there's also lawn seating.
I'm fully aware of what is claimed re: the seating in the amphitheater.

The seats and floor area can accommodate about 7700 people. The only way they're getting 6300 more people in there is if they use the 2nd grassy area beyond the back fence of the 1st one.



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Old Posted Apr 18, 2013, 4:35 PM
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Tech 3 equipment damaged in COTA fire started by starter motor:



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Old Posted Apr 18, 2013, 5:21 PM
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No, those numbers don't add up to "way over" a million.

300K for F1 (265K announced attendance)
300K for Grand Am
300K for Supercars
225 K for MotoGP

= 1.125 Million...which falls nicely between 800K and 1.2M.
um, yeah, I'd characterise _over one hundred thousand people_ as "way more"


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...and again, if they're just using maximums there, then why only 225K for MotoGP when it should easily outdraw Grand Am & Supercars?
I'm not sure. My guess is that it has something to do with the track reconfiguration they did for the motorcycles (shortening the track), resulting in a smaller theoretical max capacity.

But it's all moot anyway. Those numbers were never intended to mean anything. It's like me answering the question "what's the maximum score in bowling". It doesn't mean I ever expect to get anything close to that.
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2013, 5:41 PM
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um, yeah, I'd characterise _over one hundred thousand people_ as "way more"




I'm not sure. My guess is that it has something to do with the track reconfiguration they did for the motorcycles (shortening the track), resulting in a smaller theoretical max capacity.
Ah, no. They didn't shorten the track for Moto GP. They did shorten it for Supercars, though.

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But it's all moot anyway. Those numbers were never intended to mean anything. It's like me answering the question "what's the maximum score in bowling". It doesn't mean I ever expect to get anything close to that.
Right, and Epstein & the website saying they could hit 1M is just more meaningless jabber, too, right? Same for Geoff Moore's proclamation of the 2012 USGP as a sellout, and the varied ridiculous capacity claims for the amphitheater, right? Since it's all meaningless to them anyway, then we just shouldn't hold them to anything they say, right?

...and just fyi, that facility could handle much more than 300K for a weekend.
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2013, 5:56 PM
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http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/190000/...urce=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

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“The first impression we had when we arrived was really bad but fortunately it doesn't look as bad as we initially thought,” said team principal Massimo Meregalli. “We will now have to disassemble the bikes and dry them, clean them and rebuild them again. For sure it could have been a lot worse.

“We don't know the cause yet but it is possible the fire started in a battery of an electric motorcycle engine starter inside the Tech 3 garage. The emergency automatic fire system was activated and as a result we have water and white fire retardant powder everywhere. Most importantly no one was injured in this incident.

“The fire started around 1am and we were informed by IRTA at 6am. We are now in the process of cleaning everything. We have to say a big thank you to the circuit staff who are putting in a lot of effort to be of help.”

The sprinkler system in the LCR Honda and Cardion AB pits was also activated, leaving them to face a similar clean-up ahead of Friday's opening practice for the inaugural Texas MotoGP.
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2013, 3:54 PM
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Judging from Tweets, sounds like you better leave earlier than expected if going to COTA today. Unpaved Lot F, the huge cash lot, is too muddy for use after yesterday's short rains. Traffic is being diverted to other lots higher up.
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Why anyone in there right mind would have dirt parking for a venue like this is beyond me. They don't have to completely pave over either which only creates an heat island affect and causes more water run off. They could build lots that use the open pattern method.
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2013, 10:06 PM
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Why anyone in there right mind would have dirt parking for a venue like this is beyond me. They don't have to completely pave over either which only creates an heat island affect and causes more water run off. They could build lots that use the open pattern method.
Yeah. It's crazy. They're just rolling the dice with the weather. Even a couple of days of moderate rain will completely screw them. There was only 1/4 inch yesterday out there & it shut down their biggest lot, the one they've been telling everyone for months that they should park in (for $30) if they don't pre-purchase parking.

They made a point of making a really big deal of the reinforced permeable material they were going to lay down & then plant grass over that for the parking lots. Looks like that was just lip service to get permitting.
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2013, 2:31 AM
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Was the parking lot really that bad? I got the impression they just kept it closed to keep it "pristine" for Saturday and Sunday. They probably knew Friday attendance wouldn't fill it up. So might as well let it dry out completely, as it probably did under the sun today.

But they sure could have communicated it better.

What did you think of the Friday crowd? On the broadcast of FP2 it looked decent. Like race-day for Grand-Am; perhaps 15-20K folks?
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2013, 11:53 PM
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Went out to Haywood's today. Fantastic view from T9 to 12.

He's letting people in for $10, iirc, whether they want to stay & watch, or just park there. Use the entrance for Lots L&M, then when the COTA parking attendant comes to your car asking for money, just tell 'em your going to Mr. Haywood's. Then turn left into his driveway at the end of Lot M. He'll be there selling BBQ & collecting money.

Heard lots of people out there bitching about the $30 after just finding out about it.. I also heard that yesterday the attendants were asking to see people's IDs when they said they were going to Mr. Haywood's. I just WISH they'd have asked me for my ID.
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Old Posted Apr 21, 2013, 6:42 PM
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Anyone wanting to watch the race/see the circuit, it's airing live on Speed right now. Time Warner HD channel 1613. Not sure what the non-had channel numbers are.
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TV announced the race day attendance at 61k. So perhaps they will approach 100k this weekend. Weather, just like f1, ends up being picture perfect.
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