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Old Posted Sep 26, 2010, 5:44 AM
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The shitty part of the whole thing is that with Glendale picking up a maximum of $25 million in losses the NHL will be forced to cover the rest, and the NHL will no doubt implement severe cost cutting of player salaries now that they know the team will probably be playing in Winnipeg for 2011-2012. So in actual fact Winnipeg will once again be screwed by the NHL!
I'm pretty sure the severe cost cutting of Phoenix has already occured. They're a young team though.
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 12:27 AM
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Latest Bid To Buy Coyotes Stalls

Good news for hockey fans in Winnipeg.

Matthew Hulsizer’s bid to buy the Phoenix Coyotes from the NHL has stalled because the Chicago businessman wants a big discount on the $165-million (all currency U.S.) the league wants for the team, two sources say. This, the sources add, is despite the fact Hulsizer, 40, has an agreement in principle with the city of Glendale, Ariz., on a multiyear arena lease that could pay him $100-million toward the Coyotes’ annual losses through parking charges, taxes and property levies from a community-facilities district created around Jobing.com arena.

Glendale Mayor Elaine Scruggs and city council have until Dec. 31 to find a buyer willing to keep the team in Glendale. If they fail, the NHL, which bought the Coyotes for $140-million in a U.S. Bankruptcy Court auction in October of 2009, can sell the team to someone who wants to move it. Scruggs and other Glendale politicians have said that NHL commissioner Gary Bettman has an offer in hand from True North Sports and Entertainment Ltd., in Winnipeg for at least $165-million.

A third source, an NHL governor, said Hulsizer was told at least a month ago that Bettman will never agree to sell the franchise for less than what the entire Coyotes’ debacle has cost the league. The NHL could have as much as $175-million invested now, since it covered the Coyotes’ losses through this summer. Glendale agreed to cover up to $25-million of this season’s losses beginning Sept. 1 in order to keep the NHL from selling the team sooner than the end of the year.

The NHL governor said many of his peers are not keen on seeing the Coyotes return to Winnipeg, which they left in 1996. But if the alternative is that each team owner has to write a big cheque to cover the NHL’s losses on the Coyotes, “we will go to Winnipeg,” the governor said.

Glendale recently trumpeted the fact Hulsizer deposited $25-million in an escrow account to show he was serious about buying the Coyotes. But an NHL source said the funds came from an investment bank that plans to help Hulsizer raise enough money to buy the team.

NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly did not respond to a request for comment Thursday. Glendale spokeswoman Julie Frisoni said city officials will not comment on “any ongoing negotiations.” Hulsizer has not made any public comments since his interest in buying the Coyotes became known.

As the clock ticks down on the Coyotes, city officials are feeling the pressure to find a solution. When it comes to the Coyotes, Scruggs told the Arizona Republic newspaper, “Don’t ask me what Plan B is. … We don’t have a Plan B.”

According to a story in the Republic, the city owes $500-million on sports facilities it built to attract professional teams to Glendale, including a $180-million investment in Jobing.com Arena. That is a staggering sum for a city of 250,000 people. Thanks to the recession, entertainment and retail developments that were supposed to spring up to provide the revenue to pay the debt have either failed to materialize or are bringing in a fraction of the projected income.

Sources say the tentative lease deal with Hulsizer (the plan was to finalize the details as he negotiated the sale of the Coyotes with the NHL) was similar to the one Chicago White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf made with Glendale before he decided not to proceed. That deal called for bonds and other revenue to come from the community-facilities district around the arena.

Those proceeds were to be used to create an “operating loss reserve account” that would collect $25-million a year with a cap of $100-million and seven years. Parking charges at the arena would also go into the operating-loss account.

However, the Reinsdorf deal said after the fifth year of the agreement, if the operating-loss account does not have enough money to pay for the Coyotes’ losses, Glendale is on the hook. The city would have to make up the shortfall itself or allow Reinsdorf to sell the team to someone who could move it.

Given that the entire sports district around Jobing.com Arena raised just $13-million in sales tax in 2009, it does not seem likely a “community-facilities district” would produce enough revenue to cover the city’s obligations to the Coyotes’ owner.


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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 12:55 AM
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Good news for hockey fans in Winnipeg.
This whole scenario playing out how we expected is making us look like a city of psychics.
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Ugh, and just minutes ago, Dreger on TSN just announced that a verbal agreement has been struck between MH and the NHL to purchase the Coyotes.

This fucking rollercoaster ride is making me sick, already.
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This fucking rollercoaster ride is making me sick, already.
Those who become nauseous easily should stay off of rollercoasters...
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For a second there, I thought the Dacia Sandero was coming to Winnipeg.
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 4:13 AM
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Ugh, and just minutes ago, Dreger on TSN just announced that a verbal agreement has been struck between MH and the NHL to purchase the Coyotes.

This fucking rollercoaster ride is making me sick, already.
verbal agreement. ok then. yawn.
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 12:10 PM
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I think they mean "oral agreement".
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2010, 5:26 PM
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I think they mean "oral agreement".
Oh, I wouldn't think that way Andy. Then again, we've seen professional relationships that got "closer" if you will.
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Summary of what's public about this:

Hulsizer, Glendale, and the NHL have an "agreement in principle". Which at this point basically means they're all on the same page about the big issue - yes, he's willing to buy the Coyotes and keep them in Glendale for the price the NHL is asking (rumoured to be $165 million, roughly the same amount TNSE has on the table).

Now comes the hitch. Apparently he's asking Glendale for $25 million of the purchase price up front, plus the city has to fund any losses indefinitely. Considering those losses amounted to $20-30 million historically, that's a LOT of money. All the talk about CFDs etc - basically what it comes down to is Glendale levying a whole bunch of taxes and fees on surrounding businesses to help subsidize the Coyotes. Everything around there (restaurants, bars, shops) will get more expensive, plus people will have to pay for parking now. And a lot, too - estimated to be up to half the cost of the average Coyotes ticket.

Problems to overcome:

1. Glendale may not be legally allowed to do this. Arizona state law forbids governments from subsidizing private businesses.

2. Glendale may not be able to afford this. $25 million up front plus at least $20 million a year, for a city of 250,000 people? That, folks, is nearly $100 each year for every man, woman and child. Forever, unless this team somehow manages to turn a profit, which so far they have never done. Would YOU agree to an extra $100 in property taxes every year to keep the Jets? On top of actually buying tickets/parking/concessions? Even if you weren't a hockey fan at all (the vast majority of people down there)?

3. The NHL still has to approve the actual deal. While publicly they show strong support for ANYONE to keep the team in the Phoenix area, privately you have to think many owners are worried. What if Hulsizer gives up after a few years? What if Glendale simply cannot afford it? Are we back here in a year or 3 having this exact same discussion?

4. Some are saying Hulsizer does not have the actual liquid cash to pay the $140 million he needs. If this is true, and he cannot raise the capital, this deal is sunk. Not sure how much truth there is here.


So... who knows. I suspect we may hear very little over the next month or so. Then all of a sudden - wham! Either they're staying or they're going to Winnipeg. A lot of people are suspicious of the timing of today's story. It's right before the Coyotes home opener and may be a "shit, we gotta get bums in seats NOW" kind of thing - the actual agreement may be nothing more than smoke and mirrors at this point.

Or, they're staying.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2010, 1:38 PM
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An announced crowd of 6,706 last night in Glendale.

This should have been a done deal last year. Now I'm just shaking my head....how the heck do they still have a team in Phoenix ?
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An announced crowd of 6,706 last night in Glendale.

This should have been a done deal last year. Now I'm just shaking my head....how the heck do they still have a team in Phoenix ?
I even think the crowd was smaller then the announced crowd to me it looked like about 4500.Then you question how many are really paid tickets maybe 2000 and i think thats pushing it.The thing that gets me is phoenix fans are defending it saying its because it takes to long to get there its a horrible team etc.They complain the ticket prices are to high.I could see if the next few games have this same sort of numbers the league will have no choice but to pull the plug on the team in the very near future.
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Not only did Phoenix have a paltry crowd of 6706 last night, the previous night saw minuscule crowds of 8820 in Atlanta and 9802 in Columbus and as we all know these three cities are hockey hotbeds.
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[QUOTE=RTD;5016287]Good news for hockey fans in Winnipeg.


The NHL governor said many of his peers are not keen on seeing the Coyotes return to Winnipeg, which they left in 1996. But if the alternative is that each team owner has to write a big cheque to cover the NHL’s losses on the Coyotes, “we will go to Winnipeg,” the governor said.



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle1757924/[/QUOTE

Interesting to see that many of the NHL governors are not keen in seeing the Coyotes return to Winnipeg. Why do you think they feel that way?

too cold?

too off the beaten path for travel purposes?

think Winnipeg is too "small townish"?

don't want to admit an earlier mistake?
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I've heard the "you can't grow the game here" argument made before. Hockey is already established in Winnipeg (and across Canada for that matter), so the game won't "grow" to a larger audience/following.
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Take a look at this photo from the Arizona Republic of yesterday's 'near' sellout game. Face out folks, these guys just love hockey more than us..

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Interesting to see that many of the NHL governors are not keen in seeing the Coyotes return to Winnipeg. Why do you think they feel that way?

too cold?

too off the beaten path for travel purposes?

think Winnipeg is too "small townish"?

don't want to admit an earlier mistake?
I think it's been mentioned here before, but probably the major reason is that Canadian teams (especially small market ones) are not a draw in US markets...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WfDY1aNOpQ

Origionally broadcast in early October.
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Origionally broadcast in early October.
Originally broadcast in early October...2009...
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Originally broadcast in early October...2009...
Oh shit. Never mind then.
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