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Old Posted Apr 11, 2007, 3:53 AM
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I'm so homesick for the south that I miss Montgomery!

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Old Posted Apr 11, 2007, 4:01 AM
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What I don't get is why the area south of Woodley Road/McGehee Road is as rough and bad as it is?

Help me understand why there's such a sudden and blatant transition from nice area to very ugly?
I thought we got rid of you.
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2007, 4:40 AM
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I thought we got rid of you.
Excuse me?
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2007, 10:44 AM
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In my opinion, there won't be any "suprise" large scale conventions until there is something along the lines of that alleyway, restraunts, etc.--otherwise Downtown Montgomery will be a ghost-town with a baseball game at night STILL.
I agree with you there, the last time I visited Montgomery and attended a Biscuits game there were limited things to do before and after the game. My hotel was in the downtown area, but unlike most places I've visited there was nothing in walking distance of my hotel as for nightlife/shopping etc. I think that area of the city has tons of potential, and the whole Idea of EastChase would have been great for downtown Montgomery.
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2007, 1:08 PM
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Waugh would be considered an exurb.

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Business growth set for Waugh

By Paul W. Sullivan
Montgomery Advertiser


If you've noticed the construction going on just off the Waugh exit of Interstate 85, expect to notice a lot more. It's just the beginning of what Phenix City businessman Steve Corbett says is a 152-acre development.

Corbett, who also has been involved in commercial projects and subdivisions in Auburn, Phenix City and Columbus, Ga., said he believes Waugh is fertile ground for additional growth.

He plans to put up 270 homes, a 30-acre commercial area and condominiums on the south side of the interstate.

"Montgomery is growing in that direction, and I thought this was an excellent opportunity," he said, adding that several builders already have shown interest in the property since he started breaking ground in September 2006.

Corbett plans to have about 200,000 square feet of retail space within a "neighborhood friendly" shopping area, which will be anchored by a major grocery store.

He wants to sell the home lots to one group of builders so that they can have more control over the style of architecture, restrictive covenants, price ranges and style of houses.

About 20-plus acres are zoned for condominiums that he said probably would be single level with two-car garages. A five-acre pond is under construction near the area where the 80-100 condominiums will be located.

Besides the subdivision projects he has worked on, he also has helped develop apartments in Huntsville, Phenix City and Columbus, Ga.

Corbett said interest in the Waugh land has been good, even though he hasn't advertised the property for sale.

He said he has received some contact from several builders who already are constructing homes in east Montgomery.

He said the 270 single-family home lots would be the first part of the development to be completed. The tentative date for home construction to begin is Oct. 28.

Home construction will provide the infrastructure for the commercial development to follow, he said, adding that the condominiums will augment growth by providing housing for people wanting low-maintenance living areas with yards that need little upkeep.

Corbett said Waugh has tremendous potential, and he believes other developments will follow his.
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2007, 7:37 PM
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Just noticed these Riverwalk pics on the Advertiser site from the article from a couple of days ago.































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Old Posted Apr 11, 2007, 9:06 PM
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2007, 3:39 AM
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Waugh would be considered an exurb.
I believe this area of Waugh has been annexed into Montgomery.
I remember a planning commission application for approval of this project, and it said it would become part of city District 8. That's pretty far from the bulk of District 8.
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2007, 9:04 PM
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Couple of nice articles can be found here.

An interview with the Mayor, and the plans for the Grandview at Cottage Hill.

Stol.... borrowed the links from Chad's page.
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2007, 4:58 PM
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Builder has high goals for Cloverdale loft project

By Cosby Woodruff
Montgomery Advertiser



Construction continues on the new retail spaces and loft apartments on Cloverdale Road on Thursday. Lofts are available for sale starting at $225,000.


When McAlpine Tankersley Architecture designed the lofts for the old A&P site on Cloverdale Road, the designers knew they were also working on the future home of their business.

The firm is moving to the Cloverdale Road location in a couple of months.

McAlpine Tankersley will be one of the first two commercial clients in the mixed-use development, joining Nancy Paterson's Bistro, which is locating there at the end of this month.

Residents for the upstairs living quarters won't be far behind.

Nancy Paterson's Bistro has built a following at its Zelda Road location, but Paterson saw her clients becoming more concentrated in the Cloverdale area. Now, she is taking her restaurant to them.

City Loft Corp., led by Anna Lowder and Harvi Sahota, developed the lofts where an A&P grocery store was once located. A similar project is in the works for the former Cloverdale Junior High School, with McAlpine Tankersley also doing the architectural work.

Paterson, for one, sees the mixed development as a benefit for everyone.

"It is going to be Montgomery's live-use area," she said. "It is going to be very neat."

City Loft began pre-selling the lofts a few weeks ago and expects them to sell well, Sahota said.

The one-bedroom units have about 1,000 square feet and are selling for $225,000 to $230,000.

Mid-range units with two balconies have 1,800 square feet, and the premium units with 2,400 square feet are priced in the $500,000 range.

A few blocks, and about a year, down the road, the old Cloverdale School will become the site of more lofts.

McAlpine Tankersley principal architect Greg Tankersley said the lofts at both locations were built to blend in rather than stand out.

"We wanted them to look like an architect didn't have anything to do with them," Tankersley said.

The firm will take a slightly different approach when designing the lofts at the old school.

"It will be a little more in keeping with Huntingdon (College)," Tankersley said. "It will have a little more residential feel."

That residential look is one of the things that convinced Paterson to move her eatery. She says when the residential lofts are filled, it will have the atmosphere of a self-contained community.

While space was a consideration in their decisions to move, both Paterson and Tankersley also said the neighborhood played a key role.

Tankersley said his firm started in a small studio near the old A&P building before moving several times, finally ending up on Dexter Street in the heart of downtown Montgomery. When the architectural company went looking for new office space, nothing seemed to fit the bill.

So company officials designed their own space as part of a complex that also included retail and residential space for others.

The lofts, marketed as Atlantic and Pacific Lofts, have the commercial space on the ground floor with residential lofts upstairs.

Tankersley described it as an old-fashioned downtown design.

"It will have a Bohemian nature about it," he said. "We are so excited to be back in that area."
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Old Posted Apr 15, 2007, 5:01 PM
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Elmore, Autauga counties growing in retail

By Marty Roney
Montgomery Advertiser



As long as Millbrook Mayor Al Kelley can remember, many residents of his city have made the short drive to Prattville to shop. That could change soon -- at least for a while.

A Wal-Mart Supercenter is set to open in Millbrook in midsummer. Marvin's opened a hardware store last year and officials are working to lure a Lowe's Home Improvement Center to the city.

Kelley jokes that Prattville residents will soon flock to his city to shop.

"It's been the other way around for so long, I like to kid (Mayor) Jim (Byard) that's it's our turn now," he said. "We have seen tremendous retail growth, and it has taken several years for us to get to this point. Prattville gets most of the ink, but we're growing over here, too."

Byard understands retail growth in Elmore County, especially the new Wal-Mart location, will draw tax dollars away from his city.

"We knew that one day Millbrook would have a Wal-Mart," Byard said. "Millbrook is going to grow, and Wetumpka is going to grow. We are going to see a decrease in sales tax dollars in the short term. But when all the new stores planned for Prattville come on line, we will see our tax base grow. We're not going to board up the city and fade away."

Two sprawling shopping centers, one with more than 400,000 square feet of retail space and the other with about 900,000 square feet, are going up in east Prattville.

Bass Pro Shops is building a 120,000-square-foot store. Target and Home Depot also are building big stores. The three are scheduled for late summer to early fall openings.

Other stores announced or planned include JC Penney, Books-A-Million, Circuit City, PetSmart, T.J. Maxx and Bed, Bath & Beyond.

Jessica Kendrick of Selma usually makes at least one shopping trip a month to Prattville.

"I love shopping in Prattville. It's such a friendly place," she said. "I can't wait until all those big stores open up. I may have to make the trip every other week then, instead of just once a month."

Byard makes register ringing sounds when he hears comments like that.

"It's not only retail we offer," he said. "We have a 12-screen movie theater, along with a wide selection of restaurant offerings. They all play a role in our tax base."

Once the new businesses are open, the city expects to collect about $10 million a year in sales taxes, business license payments and other fees. Prattville is tied to a bond payment of about $3.2 million a year to handle the incentives package it took to land the centers. That leaves about $6 million a year that will go into city coffers.

"When we made financial plans, we just didn't look at the tri-county area as a potential customer base," Byard said. "We will draw from Selma, Clanton and as far south as Lowndes County and Greenville. We already have that customer base, it's only going to expand as our retail and entertainment offerings expand."
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2007, 1:46 PM
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Corner Store at The Waters...

...is officially open. I have pictures here.
So far, the menu is getting great reviews with the cheese grits being an early favorite.

The store's website (with a pdf menu) is www.TheWatersBridgeStreetMarket.com
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2007, 2:14 PM
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Can you dine-in at this place?
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2007, 3:22 PM
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I would love to live at the waters....

but can't afford the $400k
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2007, 6:54 PM
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Yes, they have two or three tables inside (as well as several outside).

Regarding the prices, yes again, The Waters has certainly appreciated in value. We were, frankly, lucky to be the second residents as our own house would be tough for us to buy now.

However, there are a variety of different attached and detached floor plans available for well under 400k (some under 300k for that matter). Granted, it requires living in a smaller space that a house in Halcyon or other conventional subdivisions.

However, we have three young kids and our 1700 sq. foot house fits us fine.

Anyhow, if anyone is coming out to the Bridge Street Market soon, just let me know and we can talk Skyscrapers over a coffee...
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2007, 8:00 PM
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This is where you get into the classic bang for the buck problem with high concept living, whether intown, or in a New Urbanist Suburb.

The truth of the matter is, here in the Montgomery area, there aren't that many families making >$100k/year, and a family making less than $100k/year is going to have a hard time making it in the waters.

P&I on a $300,000 loan is going to be $1750 or so.... make it $2k with mortgage insurance, escrow etc.... and you're talking 1/4 of pretax income on house payments. And $300k houses (for families) are hard to come by at the Waters.



I have no doubt that with all the amenities/quality of construction, that the above listed $399,000 house is worth more than twice the house we're in now.... I don't know if it's worth my wife going back to work full time either.


And that's part of the problem I've run into, in trying to get something going downtown... Construction prices are running greater than $100/sq ft for quality construction (125 and up some places too)... and nobody is convinced, right now, that the market will bear $200,000-300,000 houses in the Cottage Hill area.
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Are there any Photos of the new Colonial Bank Building in Montgomery?
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Old Posted Apr 17, 2007, 2:39 AM
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Are there any Photos of the new Colonial Bank Building in Montgomery?
Here is a small, unfinished picture. Would have looked better as a 16-20 story Downtown though.


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Old Posted Apr 17, 2007, 2:43 AM
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Here is a small, unfinished picture. Would have looked better as a 16-20 story Downtown though.


Looks like a carbon copy of their Huntsville building.

EDIT: That IS the Huntsville Building! That picture's a couple years old, at least over 5 years old.
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Looks like a carbon copy of their Huntsville building.

EDIT: That IS the Huntsville Building! That picture's a couple years old, at least over 5 years old.
Good catch. Now that I look at it, it's def not Montgomery.
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