AUSTIN | Waterline | 1,034 Feet | 73 Floors | T/O - Page 72

The ATX · #**1421** Posted **Mar 18, 2021, 2:19 AM**

Nice. More signs of progress, and it's getting a little taller. The original FAA filings for the tower have been stuck at Interim for months. The slight change in height must be the reason for the re-file.

We vs us · #**1422** Posted **Mar 18, 2021, 12:17 PM**

Is it weird to file tower crane permits 9 months in advance? Once again I’m struck by how quickly the paperwork is moving (as as how quickly they put up actual signage) vs their target start date. Doesn’t seem to mirror what I’ve seen with most other projects around town.

Those FAA permits always seem to be one of the last things before demo begins.

clubtokyo · #**1423** Posted **Mar 19, 2021, 12:01 AM**

Yeah it does seem to be sped up? Do you think the developer decided to move faster since the market is so hot right now?

The ATX · #**1424** Posted **Mar 19, 2021, 12:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by We vs us

Those FAA permits always seem to be one of the last things before demo begins.

City permits are what matters. FAA permits are all over the place in terms of when they are filed and the actual status of a project. Sometimes they are filed well ahead of a project's proposed start date and sometimes they are filed after building is well U/C or even topped out.

KevinFromTexas · #**1425** Posted **Mar 19, 2021, 1:28 AM**

The numbers are also less reliable for FAA permits as to the true height of a building, but they are a good indication of what the range is. For example, the elevations of 44 East show it at 573 feet, and the FAA permit that was posted last week showed it at 574 feet. I've also noticed that they sometimes post multiple permits for projects sometimes. I don't know why that is.

The ATX · #**1426** Posted **Mar 19, 2021, 1:46 AM**

The best thing about FAA permits IMO is that they are usually the only source for the height of tower cranes (for the nerdiest amongst us.) Sometimes they are the first source of a building's height.

GoldenBoot · #**1427** Posted **Mar 19, 2021, 2:30 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by The ATX

City permits are what matters. FAA permits are all over the place in terms of when they are filed and the actual status of a project. Sometimes they are filed well ahead of a project's proposed start date and sometimes they are filed after building is well U/C or even topped out.

Case-in-point - A few years back, I believe it was a developer of Turkish decent whose company (I don't remember the name) filed a permit with the FAA for a tower of 1,080' in downtown Dallas. As far as I know, that project is long dead.

By no means am I saying this project will not come to fruition. It's just one example proving ATX's point.

The ATX · #**1428** Posted **Apr 2, 2021, 10:01 PM**

The City's first response to the site plan revision was posted online this afternoon. At first glance I didn't see anything particularly interesting:

https://abc.austintexas.gov/public-s...ertyrsn=879326

The ATX · #**1429** Posted **Apr 3, 2021, 10:15 PM**

Here's a short article by a former resident of the house at 98 Red River reminiscing about his time at that address after he heard it was demo'ed in 2013.

https://www.jhfarr.com/2013/08/98-re...g-glory-seeds/

JAM · #**1430** Posted **Apr 5, 2021, 5:20 PM**

Thanks for the article. We almost moved there at one point. I ran the valuation numbers to see if it had the potential to be knocked down - didn't want to buy if that was going to happen. Concluded there was no way anyone would pony up the bucks to buy it outright from the owners. boy was I wrong!

freerover · #**1431** Posted **Apr 7, 2021, 11:11 PM**

Was the property that was once owned by WeWork? There is a crazy documentary on the company on Hulu that makes it laughable that we all thought they would actually be able to build a tower.

The ATX · #**1432** Posted **May 8, 2021, 9:15 PM**

The four FAA permits for the tower have been stuck as Circularized Cases (further study needed for the height) for quite a while. That's not unusual. But I noticed there were slight tweaks to the listed site elevations and building heights since the original FAA filings. The tallest side of the building has corner heights of 1,033' & 1,034'.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external...74692262&row=2

austlar1 · #**1433** Posted **May 8, 2021, 10:36 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by The ATX

Here's a short article by a former resident of the house at 98 Red River reminiscing about his time at that address after he heard it was demo'ed in 2013.

https://www.jhfarr.com/2013/08/98-re...g-glory-seeds/

I knew a very talented and largely unrecognized artist (huge pornographic oil paintings mostly of very fat people with oversized genitalia) who lived there circa 2003 in a squalid second floor rear apartment filled with unsold canvases and too many cats. I also knew another fellow (a sometimes recovering addict) who lived downstairs, or at least I think he still lived there. He was usually found sitting on the front steps smoking something. I think they may have been some of the last occupants of the building.

The ATX · #**1434** Posted **May 10, 2021, 8:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by austlar1

...huge pornographic oil paintings mostly of very fat people with oversized genitalia...

Definitely a niche market.

KevinFromTexas · #**1435** Posted **May 20, 2021, 12:44 AM**

FAA permit for 98 Red River, and this says 185 feet. I believe this is for the podium of the building.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external...6257985&row=19

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external...56257983&row=0

The ATX · #**1436** Posted **Jun 10, 2021, 4:54 AM**

Progress! Demo and utilities retirement for the site are on Thursday's (06/10) AULCC meeting agenda. There are no interesting graphics to post, but the construction date is listed as July through August 2021. In this case that could be the anticipated start date or more likely when the demo/utility retirements take place.

ftp://ftp.ci.austin.tx.us/ATD_AULCC/...1/210610/DATA/

The ATX · #**1437** Posted **Jun 11, 2021, 3:58 AM**

There is now activity on the site. This is from today:

https://app.oxblue.com/open/endeavor/redrivertower

sjk · #**1438** Posted **Jun 11, 2021, 4:02 AM**

Good news!

The ATX · #**1439** Posted **Jun 11, 2021, 4:09 AM**

That area was used for staging for The Quincy throughout 2020. But it had been empty from January up until the last couple weeks. The work looks like it may be utility related which is supported by the AULCC meeting info from the link in one of my previous posts.

KevinFromTexas · #**1440** Posted **Jun 11, 2021, 6:12 AM**

You can read the FAA permit in the PDF, and it seems to indicate that it may violate some protected airspace.

Quote:

Proposal: To construct and/or operate a(n) Building to a height of 1034 feet above ground level, 1489 feet
above mean sea level.

Location: The structure will be located 5.4 nautical miles northwest of AUS Airport reference point.
Part 77 Obstruction Standard(s) Exceeded:
Section 77.17 (a) (1) by 535 feet - a height more than 499 feet above ground level.
Section 77.17 (a) (2) by 522 feet - a height that exceeds 967 feet above mean sea level within 5.4 nautical miles
of U_AUS.
Preliminary FAA study indicates that the above mentioned structure would:
have no effect on any existing or proposed arrival, departure, or en route visual flight rules (VFR) operations.
have no physical or electromagnetic effect on the operation of air navigation and communications facilities.
have no effect on any airspace and routes used by the military.

Part 77 = Title 14 CFR Part 77, Safe, Efficient Use and Preservation of the Navigable Airspace
Our study has disclosed that this proposed building, located approximately 5.38 nm northwest of the airport
reference point, is within the protected surfaces at Austin-Bergstrom International Airport (AUS), TX.
At the proposed height, these structures will penetrate these protected airport surfaces:
> 77.17 (a)(1) A height of 499 feet AGL at the site of the object.
2021-ASW-4207-OE exceeds by 534 feet.
2021-ASW-4218-OE exceeds by 525 feet.
2021-ASW-4219-OE exceeds by 524 feet.
2021-ASW-4220-OE exceeds by 535 feet.
> 77.17 (a)(2) A height that is 200 feet AGL, or above the established airport elevation, whichever is higher,
within 3 nautical miles of the established reference point of an airport with its longest runway more than 3,200
feet in actual length, and that height increases in the proportion of 100 feet for each additional nautical mile
from the airport up to a maximum of 499 feet.
2021-ASW-4207-OE exceeds by 522 feet.
2021-ASW-4218-OE exceeds by 524 feet.
2021-ASW-4219-OE exceeds by 524 feet.
2021-ASW-4220-OE exceeds by 522 feet.
> The proposed structure would lie within the TPA for CAT D aircraft for descent/climb RWY 18R/36L.
2021-ASW-4207-OE exceeds by 534 feet.
2021-ASW-4218-OE exceeds by 525 feet.
2021-ASW-4219-OE exceeds by 524 feet.
2021-ASW-4220-OE exceeds by 535 feet.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external...74692262&row=1