ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[Verge]

Originally Posted by ATL_J

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but when you log in you get more information and it says, "As of May 22, 2015, this project is currently on hold. An architect has been selected, however a timeline for completing the construction documents has not yet been released. A general contractor has not yet been selected, and the method of contractor selection is still being determined. A firm timeline for construction has not yet been established, construction is not expected to commence prior to fall 2015 at the earliest"

The only files on there are a rudimentary site plan and a photo of the south elevation.

Although I believe this one -- sites like these are not governmental and rely solely on research or self reporting of project status-- Something most developers will not desire (or allow)--

[ATL_J]

Originally Posted by Verge

Although I believe this one -- sites like these are not governmental and rely solely on research or self reporting of project status-- Something most developers will not desire (or allow)--

Well of course they're not governmental as it isn't a government job. Sites like these are how many owner / developers make the files available to contractor and subcontractors alike. I'm not arguing the merit of BidClerk, but pointing out that once you log in you'll note that, even though the project "is on" BidClerk, the project isn't moving a long.

[Zanarkand A East]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

Yep, Midtown Alliance site is now listing Hanover Midtown under construction as well as Azure on the Park, and Broadstone Terraces all with Fall 2016 est. completion dates.

http://www.midtownatl.com/business/development-tour

Exciting times!

[thepope117]

Originally Posted by ATL_J

Well of course they're not governmental as it isn't a government job. Sites like these are how many owner / developers make the files available to contractor and subcontractors alike. I'm not arguing the merit of BidClerk, but pointing out that once you log in you'll note that, even though the project "is on" BidClerk, the project isn't moving a long.

Its not surprising that its stalled the engineering on that site is going to be a nightmare for whomever eventually develops it.

[banksee]

Originally Posted by TarHeelJ

Nobody remotely said that Harlem and Buckhead are practically the same - those are your words. It's pretty easy to follow what Tuckerman said...suburban and urban can't be as narrowly defined today as they were in the past due to areas like Buckhead, which is obviously a mix of urban and suburban.

Those are indeed my words. But if you carry out the original assertion, that is indeed implied. It is easy to follow what Tuckerman said, which is not what you said. Suburban and urban can't be narrowly defined, unless it can (as in the case of population density). Buckhead (on the whole) is, as you say, a mix of urban and suburban. That doesn't make it neither. It makes it both. In the core, it's urban and in the edges, it's in almost every meaningful way suburban.

[TarHeelJ]

Originally Posted by banksee

Those are indeed my words. But if you carry out the original assertion, that is indeed implied. It is easy to follow what Tuckerman said, which is not what you said. Suburban and urban can't be narrowly defined, unless it can (as in the case of population density). Buckhead (on the whole) is, as you say, a mix of urban and suburban. That doesn't make it neither. It makes it both. In the core, it's urban and in the edges, it's in almost every meaningful way suburban.

He said/I said/she said/you said. I interpreted his comment differently than you...so there you go. I guess he is the only one who could clarify it.

I didn't say Buckhead is neither...I totally think it has aspects of both suburban and urban (and probably a little rural mixed in with all of the estates). It's definitely a hybrid.

[RocketSurgeon]

When I said that was suburban I didn't mean Buckhead as a whole--that's almost a third of Atlanta and one word can't sum it up. I meant the specific area around those condos and the condos themselves. There's no urban character to lose by demolishing them.

Unrelated question: Whatever happened to the tower Transwestern proposed at Peachtree and 3rd?

[SFB]

Urban, Suburban, who gives a shit?

[Atlanta3000]

Three Alliance Center Video

http://www.tishmanspeyer.com/mktg/html/discover-threealliancecenter-video.html

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by SFB

Urban, Suburban, who gives a shit?

Ditto!

[gttx]

Originally Posted by banksee

Those are indeed my words. But if you carry out the original assertion, that is indeed implied. It is easy to follow what Tuckerman said, which is not what you said. Suburban and urban can't be narrowly defined, unless it can (as in the case of population density). Buckhead (on the whole) is, as you say, a mix of urban and suburban. That doesn't make it neither. It makes it both. In the core, it's urban and in the edges, it's in almost every meaningful way suburban.

I live in Harlem. Buckhead is suburban by comparison. There you go.

(see how that didn't help anything?)

[Tuckerman]

I didn't mean to start an urban - suburban conflagration. Just returned this morning from Santiago (Chile) and I was struck by how area that I saw 10 years ago and was very "suburban" is now highly "urban." Fast growth can do that. My original point was that the definitions of urban and suburban are very contextual and very time bound as well as being dependent on many spatial dimensions. Originally the idea of a suburban area was more definitionally clear. Suburbs were generally bedroom communities linked to an urban city core by transportation. Urban meant that all the functions of a city were available in the same contiguous spatial area (residences, office, shops, markets, churches, community gathering places), - meaning all the 24 hour functions of life were possible within that confined space. Size was perhaps less important, an urban city could be 50,000, 200,000, 1,000,000 or more. Functionality defined the meaning of urban and suburban. This definition has now become problematic because, as we all know, present day "suburbs" may indeed be total live, work, play communities that just happen to be in range of a larger historic urban area. This is why I commented that we should probably abandon the casual use of these terms in our discussions and in particular the use of the term suburban negatively. To me, a chief developmental aspect of cities is the transformation of previous suburban type areas into highly urban areas. I would consider Harlem as such a transformational area. Yo early to tell about the fate of the Buckhead area over a long period; the large mansions tend to confuse, but remember that most all of Peachtree Street was once mostly residential mansions - they are now gone.

[scania]

Originally Posted by gttx

I live in Harlem. Buckhead is suburban by comparison. There you go.

(see how that didn't help anything?)

LOL. As far my friends that live there have all said, they consider Midtown suburban. From Ansley Park to 17th Street and down. But with your statement, there's nothing in Atlanta that can compare. The only thing that is remotely close would be Downtown. Also, other than San Fran, there's nowhere else that truly compares to all of Manhattan. The next closest would be Chicago. With that being said, I've stated before that Atlanta doesn't need to be that kind of urban to be a great city.

[Tuckerman]

Originally Posted by scania

LOL. As far my friends that live there have all said, they consider Midtown suburban. From Ansley Park to 17th Street and down. But with your statement, there's nothing in Atlanta that can compare. The only thing that is remotely close would be Downtown. Also, other than San Fran, there's nowhere else that truly compares to all of Manhattan. The next closest would be Chicago. With that being said, I've stated before that Atlanta doesn't need to be that kind of urban to be a great city.

That's the point. !!

[RudyJK]

Urban...suburban...urban...suburban...ZZZZZ.....who cares?

Take it to the City Discussions pages where people can go on for 30 pages about such minute topics. Please.

[arctk2014]

Right now a moderator would be of great assistance......

[AtlantaMustang]

New DRC agenda is out for Tuesday, June 9th. It includes the proposed Whole foods at Spring and 14th. Perhaps we'll get a hint of a tower above it, not sure.

5:30 NEW APPLICATION: Organic Grocer
Project Type: Planned as the second phase of The Related Group’s mixed-used development on the block bound by Spring, 14th, West Peachtree and 13th Streets, this project consists of a new organic grocer. The building will consist of two levels of retail (approx. 72,000 SF) above three levels of parking (286 spaces). Access to the parking will be provided off Spring and 13th Streets.

http://www.midtownatl.com/_files/docs/agenda-06-09-15.pdf

[scania]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Three Alliance Center Video

http://www.tishmanspeyer.com/mktg/html/discover-threealliancecenter-video.html

Cool vid.

[thepope117]

Originally Posted by AtlantaMustang

New DRC agenda is out for Tuesday, June 9th. It includes the proposed Whole foods at Spring and 14th. Perhaps we'll get a hint of a tower above it, not sure.

5:30 NEW APPLICATION: Organic Grocer
Project Type: Planned as the second phase of The Related Group’s mixed-used development on the block bound by Spring, 14th, West Peachtree and 13th Streets, this project consists of a new organic grocer. The building will consist of two levels of retail (approx. 72,000 SF) above three levels of parking (286 spaces). Access to the parking will be provided off Spring and 13th Streets.

http://www.midtownatl.com/_files/docs/agenda-06-09-15.pdf

Hopefully fingers crossed we will get some condos. With their quality bar it would be fantastic.

[pica]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Three Alliance Center Video

It warms my heart to see a project in Buckhead putting so much emphasis on its proximity to MARTA.