YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[casper]

Originally Posted by YYCguys

The Transborder terminal food offerings could get some love. Other than a sit down food location, there’s a Tim’s, a Vietnamese fast food, and sometimes a BK when that portion of the concourse is open. That’s not a lot of options for such a large area!

There are a few fast food locations with some of the swing gates that go before trans-boarder and international.

[zahav]

YVR is re-doing all of the food offerings in the next year or so. There's a pinche taco shop coming to transborder for example.

As for the traffic stats, yes every knew the moderation was coming, last year was like +30% for misc everyt month, we knew that wasn't going to continue. I think YUL and YYC will be a bit higher growth but nothing earth shattering, esp considering YVR's growth %s the last few years

[CloudInspector]

I just saw on Airliners.net that Air Transat is starting YVR-FLL in January 2020, looks like three times a week. Does anybody have an official release?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by CloudInspector

I just saw on Airliners.net that Air Transat is starting YVR-FLL in January 2020, looks like three times a week. Does anybody have an official release?

Air Transat’s booking engine shows 2 x weekly effective 20 December.
Flights on Fridays and Sundays.

TS622 YVR 0830 - 1710 FLL 57 321(neo)
TS623 FLL 1820 - 2205 YVR 57 321(neo)

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Air Transat’s booking engine shows 2 x weekly effective 20 December.
Flights on Fridays and Sundays.

TS622 YVR 0830 - 1710 FLL 57 321(neo)
TS623 FLL 1820 - 2205 YVR 57 321(neo)

... and I found something else when I was wondering what the 321neo will do for the other 5 days..

Day36: YVR 0630 - 1545 SJO 1645 - 1725 LIR - 0020+1 YVR
Day 4: YVR 0645 - 1800 PUJ 1910 - 2340 YVR

The plane fly to YUL Monday morning, and another come from YUL Tuesday night.

So next winter YVR will gain 2 new destinations (FLL, SJO), and will have 2 airlines flying to LIR and PUJ

[Johnny Aussie]

Looks like TS also bringing the A330 back next winter.

CUN and PVR will share a daily A330 (3 to CUN and 4 to PVR).

Leaving the 321neo to expand these new routes.

[zahav]

Quite a nice surprise from TS adding 3 new destinations. I think they operated PUJ many moons ago, but nothing recently. I'm sure they are testing the waters of demand, and this is another aircraft that can open up quite a few options that probably weren't profitable before with their widebodies or the leased 737s. I especially like the FLL add, it is basically Miami so we'll take what we can get until we actually get Miami. TS to FLL probably serves the leisure market better anyways. From the airlineroute.net news release, I think only YVR is getting new destinations, the YUL and YYZ adds are just equipment and frequency changes AFAIK but could be wrong, TS has so many destinations from their eastern bases it's hard to keep up:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...-sun-destinations-service-from-may-2019/

It's sad that before all the accidents everyone was talking about the MAX as a game changer, and now all that potential is on hold

[SpongeG]

which lounge is better at YVR International? I can choose the Premium Plaza or the Skyteam one. I've read reviews and the skyteam seems to be a bit better. Any preference?

[nname]

Originally Posted by zahav

It's sad that before all the accidents everyone was talking about the MAX as a game changer, and now all that potential is on hold

I think MAX is more of a game changer for East Coast where it allows narrowbody TATL honghual operation. For YVR, maybe the C-Series (A220) would probably be more of a game changer than MAX? I feel like the A321neoLR or XLR (if it eventually become a thing) would be more of a game changer for YVR, as the range would cover northern Europe and Asia, which allows both narrowbody TPAC and TATL operation.... if demand warrants. MAX would allows flight from YVR to Florida and maybe Iceland... and... that's probably it?

Here is what I come up with based on comparing the great circle distance and the advertised range. Of course, I may be completely wrong with this, as there are factors other than just distance...

	MAX8	321LR*	321XLR*
SJO	YES	YES	YES
KEF	Maybe	YES	YES
PTY	Maybe	YES	YES
PUJ	Maybe	YES	YES
BOG	NO	YES	YES
CTS	NO	Maybe	YES
GLA	NO	Maybe	YES
OSL	NO	NO	YES
DUB	NO	NO	YES
MAN	NO	NO	YES
AMS	NO	NO	YES
HRB	NO	NO	YES
NGO	NO	NO	Maybe
PPT	NO	NO	Maybe
CDG	NO	NO	Maybe
SHE	NO	NO	NO
LIM	NO	NO	NO

* = neo
YES = < 90% of range
NO = > 96% of range

Add SHE and LIM in because some source states the proposed range for XLR is 4500nm, whereas some other source states 4700nm. 4500 is used for the table, but if it ends up being 4700, then SHE and LIM becomes "maybe" while NGO, PPT, CDG becomes "YES".

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In other news, BR downguage YVR operation from Feb 2020:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air...7-9-vancouver-service-from-mid-feb-2019/
(Note: the title have the wrong year)

I kind of see this coming though...

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Mate! Compared to Australian airports we’d take that. Our big 3 all down at least 2-3% in March. Some other airports down significantly.

I think we were expecting YVR’s growth to slow this year compared to the huge gains garnered in recent years.

Still, YVR is looking like the worst of the big Canadian Airports this year, so compared to our actual peers it is not great.

Originally Posted by nname

... and I found something else when I was wondering what the 321neo will do for the other 5 days..

Day36: YVR 0630 - 1545 SJO 1645 - 1725 LIR - 0020+1 YVR
Day 4: YVR 0645 - 1800 PUJ 1910 - 2340 YVR

The plane fly to YUL Monday morning, and another come from YUL Tuesday night.

So next winter YVR will gain 2 new destinations (FLL, SJO), and will have 2 airlines flying to LIR and PUJ

Wonderful news, and surprising given how TS has been centralizing service in YUL and YYZ the past few years.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

Still, YVR is looking like the worst of the big Canadian Airports this year, so compared to our actual peers it is not great.

Yes but after years of nation leading growth... we all know that wasn't sustainable.

As for BR's downgauge ever since AC entered the market they have definitely stolen market share away from them. I'd be curious once their 787-10s come online if YVR will get those. I'm very disappointed because I love their premium economy.

[trofirhen]

I think it it would be fantastic if the VC-10 could be "remade" with lighter materials for better fuel efficiency. It was such a sleek, beautiful plane. Could there be a market for it somewhere?
A "business class only" jet? I rather doubt it, but it's nice to dream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx8RJ58tA_4

[Hourglass]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

which lounge is better at YVR International? I can choose the Premium Plaza or the Skyteam one. I've read reviews and the skyteam seems to be a bit better. Any preference?

Plaza Premium is ok, but yeah, I'd do the Skyteam lounge.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

which lounge is better at YVR International? I can choose the Premium Plaza or the Skyteam one. I've read reviews and the skyteam seems to be a bit better. Any preference?

SkyTeam's way nicer... though you could alway do both. Pop into the PP lounge and see what their hot soup is and then keep on going to the SkyTeam lounge for the noodle bar and shower.

[SpongeG]

I have limited visits so If I have the time I will go to skyteam I think.

The A380 is back for the season, anyone go down there and watch it?

[Johnny Aussie]

From Airlineroute.net on twitter

China Eastern A350-900XWB to serve Shanghai Pu Dong – Vancouver MU581/582 from 28JUN19, replacing A330-200

This also brings F class and Premium Economy to the route.

Looks like the night flight and Nanjing remain 332.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

From Airlineroute.net on twitter

China Eastern A350-900XWB to serve Shanghai Pu Dong – Vancouver MU581/582 from 28JUN19, replacing A330-200

Nice to see all this added capacity here with the A350 on several routes, like Munich in summer.
I just wish we could score a couple of new destinations, like Singapore, Istanbul, São Paulo....

[nname]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

March stats are out

http://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/documents/facts-sheets/2019/03-march/march-traffic-update.pdf?la=en

Feeling the effects of the MAX grounding in a big way.

[...]

YTD overall up 3.0% to 6.0 million
YTD Domestic up 2.6% to 2.8 million
YTD Intl up 3.3% to 3.2 million

So all in all pretty poor numbers, but with a big asterisk in the max groundings. It will be interesting to see if other Canadian airports feel a similar slowdown or if this is just more slow growth from YVR.

YYZ Q1 overall is up 2.8%, no further breakdown available.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/gt...venues-at-toronto-pearson-873091762.html

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Nice to see all this added capacity here with the A350 on several routes, like Munich in summer.
I just wish we could score a couple of new destinations, like Singapore, Istanbul, São Paulo....

But YVR just get Miami that everyone was asking for (sort of), and now also have direct service to all the San Joses it can possibly get (besides SJI, SJS, and SJE, which are too far and too small)

Speaking of which, I wonder if YVR will now distinguish them as "San Jose CA" and "San Jose CR" in their system starting this winter, or keep the "San Jose" name for one or both of the flights....

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by nname

But YVR just get Miami that everyone was asking for (sort of), and now also have direct service to all the San Joses it can possibly get

TWO QUESTIONS, PLEASE:

Which airline flies to MIAMI, and when?
Are San Jose California, and San Jose, Costa Rica, the 2 San Joses?

[nname]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

TWO QUESTIONS, PLEASE:

Which airline flies to MIAMI, and when?
Are San Jose California, and San Jose, Costa Rica, the 2 San Joses?

Fort Lauderdale is 34km away, close enough?

... and... you can add in San Jose del Cabo I guess...