New Downtown Calgary Arena - Page 71

MalcolmTucker · #**1401** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 9:18 PM**

I am fine with this 5 minutes from my place.

hulkrogan · #**1402** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 9:19 PM**

I really want it on the east end, but I know for a fact some work has been done with arena/stadium footprints on the west end. I don't know how much that means, as I'm sure they've done work like that for a couple locations.

Luk_o · #**1403** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 9:49 PM**

Would not be a fan of that spot west of Crowchild, too removed from DT. Hoping for Greyhound - really is the perfect spot for this development. Can still walk from Core or the west end of 17th, transit right there, demo an existing eye soar, good vehicle access, on & on...

If it is indeed going to be a multi-development and the Stamps move to this location as well, will be cool that they are returning close to Mewata where it all started.

O-tacular · #**1404** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 9:55 PM**

I wonder if it will be one building or if they will just have 2 venues adjacent to each other. Somehow I wouldn't be surprised if we get a cheap out solution.

Full Mountain · #**1405** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 9:57 PM**

I'm going with 15th west at minimum to WB bow, but possibly all the way to pumphouse

Could be quite the complex if done right: Condos, retail, etc. along the river, put the roadways & parking under the building(s) as it steps up and over the rail tracks to meet the C-Train platform then step down to 10th ave

MasterG · #**1406** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 10:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Full Mountain

I'm going with 15th west at minimum to WB bow, but possibly all the way to pumphouse

Could be quite the complex if done right: Condos, retail, etc. along the river, put the roadways & parking under the building(s) as it steps up and over the rail tracks to meet the C-Train platform then step down to 10th ave

I would suspect this proposal would be a impetus for some of the realignment and redevelopment of the 14th Street & Bow Trail RoW?

Allan83 · #**1407** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 10:22 PM**

I would look to build the stands overtop of Bow Trail, and snug the stadium up to the LRT a little more. You could perhaps sink Bow Train down a bit too, and maybe change the alignment a bit.

simster3 · #**1408** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 10:23 PM**

Could we build bow trail underneath the facilities? That way it would be out of the way, could lead to underground parking for all the structures.

MasterG · #**1409** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 10:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by 5seconds

Is there enough room at the Greyhound site? I did this a while ago using McMahon stadium and it looks pretty tight, especially if you want to have anything around a stadium. I assume an arena only would be smaller.

Interesting. McMahon I think has a fairly large footprint compared to other stadiums, they probably can do something more efficient. Same with the Saddledome, which is wider than a lot of the more modern designs.

I think realigning the Bow Trail connectors and converting the wide high-way style to more of a major boulevard feel will go a long way to open the area up and make it feel more connected. The whole West End is challenged with the myriad of barriers - CPR, Bow Trail flyovers, 14th Street, Bow River. I hope they go some way into trying to mitigate some of these factors and integrate the area better to the surroundings. Some residential and retail elements will go a long way to help this.

You Need A Thneed · #**1410** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 10:27 PM**

I would assume that a big factor of the Flames wanting to build in the west village location is that it would be immediately connected to the Sunalta LRT station.

It's almost certainly going to be on the Greyhound site (and likely pretty much everything north of the CP rail tracks between Crowchild and 14th.)

If I had a guess, I think there's a good chance that Bow Trail gets completely realigned, and the 14th Street interchange get completely redone. Both Directions of Bow trail would likely be squished up against the CP tracks, because that barrier already exists.

MasterG · #**1411** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 10:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by You Need A Thneed

I would assume that a big factor of the Flames wanting to build in the west village location is that it would be immediately connected to the Sunalta LRT station.

It's almost certainly going to be on the Greyhound site (and likely pretty much everything north of the CP rail tracks between Crowchild and 14th.)

If I had a guess, I think there's a good chance that Bow Trail gets completely realigned, and the 14th Street interchange get completely redone. Both Directions of Bow trail would likely be squished up against the CP tracks, because that barrier already exists.

Dare to dream of a 2-way 9th Ave all the way through the core?

Chadillaccc · #**1412** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 10:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by You Need A Thneed

I would assume that a big factor of the Flames wanting to build in the west village location is that it would be immediately connected to the Sunalta LRT station.

It's almost certainly going to be on the Greyhound site (and likely pretty much everything north of the CP rail tracks between Crowchild and 14th.)

If I had a guess, I think there's a good chance that Bow Trail gets completely realigned, and the 14th Street interchange get completely redone. Both Directions of Bow trail would likely be squished up against the CP tracks, because that barrier already exists.

That's a really good idea.

fusili · #**1413** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 10:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by DizzyEdge

Re: buying up properties in Sunalta area, is there any way they could carve enough space here?

https://maps.google.com/?ll=51.045731,-114.115688&spn=0.004378,0.010568&t=h&z=17

No. It would be a transportation nightmare. Single lane access from 10th avenue westbound? For a stadium. Never, ever, ever going to happen. The light industrial they have there is probably all you will every see. Access is terrible.

Calgarian · #**1414** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 10:47 PM**

Isn't the plan for the West Village to realign Bow Trail to open the area up for development? If the arena district is going there, the Bow Tr would probably have to move first. Anyone know if there is any movement on the Bow Trail realignment?

Colin · #**1415** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 10:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by 5seconds

Is there enough room at the Greyhound site? I did this a while ago using McMahon stadium and it looks pretty tight, especially if you want to have anything around a stadium. I assume an arena only would be smaller.

Someone on Calgary Puck brought up a good point, that the new stadium will likely need to run N-S and not W-E, so that one team isn't always facing the sun. Therefore, if the new stadium does get built in the west village, it can really only fit N-S in the location of the current Pumphouse theatre (on the left of Bow Trail), while the arena can fit in the location of the Greyhound station. This might not be a problem if they do in fact reallign Bow Trail.

flipstah · #**1416** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 10:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

I am fine with this 5 minutes from my place.

Greyhound site = walking distance for me.

Luk_o · #**1417** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 11:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by 5seconds

Is there enough room at the Greyhound site? I did this a while ago using McMahon stadium and it looks pretty tight, especially if you want to have anything around a stadium. I assume an arena only would be smaller.

That stadium location super-imposed over the greyhound site, with the arena component of the development tacked on / overlapping in a common facility to the east over Hyatt would be perfect. Could overlap quite a bit at that current position E-W as the Stamps Club house and parking lot is currently occupying that space in the image, an architect / designer could get really interesting with a common space between the two clubs in a common facility with this component. This still gives space for tailgating to the west and along the tracks across Bow. Move the whole thing north to the river if re-aligning the Bow and 14th needs to happen.

MalcolmTucker · #**1418** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 11:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Calgarian

Isn't the plan for the West Village to realign Bow Trail to open the area up for development? If the arena district is going there, the Bow Tr would probably have to move first. Anyone know if there is any movement on the Bow Trail realignment?

A long ways away. Money to come from a CRL, but it is much riskier than East Village, where they expanded the zone to include planned developments. Also the infrastructure costs are way higher, including industrial remediation to allow for residential.

Luk_o · #**1419** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 11:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Colin

Someone on Calgary Puck brought up a good point, that the new stadium will likely need to run N-S and not W-E, so that one team isn't always facing the sun. Therefore, if the new stadium does get built in the west village, it can really only fit N-S in the location of the current Pumphouse theatre (on the left of Bow Trail), while the arena can fit in the location of the Greyhound station. This might not be a problem if they do in fact reallign Bow Trail.

They could still do a stadium N-S over Greyhound. McMahon currently occupies alot of space beyond either end-zone that could easily be made more compact given a re-design. If you play with the dimension of just the field itself, the stadium infastructure can be altered to accomodate around that.

Tills13 · #**1420** Posted **Sep 23, 2014, 11:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by 5seconds

Is there enough room at the Greyhound site? I did this a while ago using McMahon stadium and it looks pretty tight, especially if you want to have anything around a stadium. I assume an arena only would be smaller.

If they bulldozed that Greyhound terminal I would be so happy. That thing is a downright dump.