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Old Posted Jul 7, 2010, 10:11 PM
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Our intention is to use the space in a way that is financially sustainable, environmentally sensitive and for the good of our community.
I really dislike vacuous feel-good statements like this.

There's nothing particularly financially sustainable about demolishing a school and then turning it into a vegetable garden. It's also not particularly great environmentally to use valuable central land in the city for something like farming - what happens when you do this is that you spread everything out and people have to travel farther. I'm guessing the land's also not particularly great for agriculture, so suddenly they're buying and trucking in soil and fertilizer and so on.

Saying that something is "for the good of our community" is totally meaningless.
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I feel like this is pretty meaningless but I'm posting it anyway...

Study: Urban core needs investment
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Metro/1190824.html
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I think the longterm plan for the QEH space is for an addition to the hospital so you can't really build high density there.. even though it would be an ideal place for a high rise.

This place is a joke. I actually screamed at the TV when Watts was bashing the widening of Bayers Road.

HEY LADY! Maybe if you guys actually approved high density in the city we wouldn't have to worry about this! Your goal of pushing everyone out of the city to the suburbs means you have to widen roads in order for them to get to work!
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I really dislike vacuous feel-good statements like this.

There's nothing particularly financially sustainable about demolishing a school and then turning it into a vegetable garden. It's also not particularly great environmentally to use valuable central land in the city for something like farming - what happens when you do this is that you spread everything out and people have to travel farther. I'm guessing the land's also not particularly great for agriculture, so suddenly they're buying and trucking in soil and fertilizer and so on.

Saying that something is "for the good of our community" is totally meaningless.
Well, to be fair, they are really just keeping the land in reserve untill it is needed for future hospital expansion. This will occur sometime in the next 10 years or so. The old VGH site badly needs a nuclear device to be planted somewhere in it's basement. Before the VGH is imploded however, they will need to make up at least (partial) capacity somewhere else first. I imagine they would expand the Infirmary before they detonate the VG.

So, this land won't remain vacant forever. In the meantime, if they want to plant vegetables there, that's OK with me.

I do agree though, the language they used in their press release did seem awfully touchy-feely.
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2010, 10:27 PM
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I feel like this is pretty meaningless but I'm posting it anyway...

Study: Urban core needs investment
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Metro/1190824.html
Yeah, what's the point? We all know what the problem is - there is just too much red tape unless developers want to restore heritage buildings with little financial incentive. (do they really need a committee to realize that).
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More talk about refining the Dartmouth viewplanes and adding new ones according to allnovascotia.com. It states that recent developments such as the $300 million dollar King's Wharf is creating pressure to fine tune the viewplanes bylaws and possibly add new ones.

What is going on in the HRM? Why are developers treated like the enemy for spending money in the Halifax area? My biggest question is - why do anti-development councillors keep getting elected? Do Nova Scotians enjoy moving away to Ontario and Alberta? As soon as development comes along there is more talk about putting a stop to it.
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Looks like the vote passed. Apparently the amendment needs a public hearing and then there will be more for the development around Oct-Dec, then maybe more votes, appeals, and finally by 2030 Barrington will just be a pile of rubble and this won't be so much of an issue.

Sad to say that I'm really happy to have moved to Vancouver. Every time I go back I am disappointed by how little changes. Halifax is mostly spinning its wheels, at least when it comes to the downtown area.
It is sad. I started following Halifax area developments about 3 years ago when Halifax was awarded the Commonwealth Games bid. However, from following the Nova Scotia area news closely over the past 3 years, it seems that as soon as development and money starts flowing into Nova Scotia, then councillors and provincial politicians start thinking of ways to stop it. The only way these people will learn, is if they are the ones who are unable to find work and must move away. Maybe in the next municipal election (2012), it will finally be the time when residents send some of them packing (look out Ontario and Alberta). Maybe after living out of the province for 10 - 20 years some of them will understand how progressive cities function. Actually, all they have to do is move to Moncton for 10 - 20 years (although I personally would send them to Siberia).

My apologies for my negativism, I really want to see the Halifax area do well, but these backward thinking politicians really peeve me.

PS: Am I missing something. Are some councillors against highrise buildings because they are concerned with residents getting stuck in the case of fire? Is there a good reason? I don't see this sentiment in Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, Calgary, Edmonton, and Hamilton. All of these cities have their share of 1960's and 1970's highrise concrete bunkers but they didn't become obsessively opposed to highrises.

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New Viewplanes

CBC late-night ran a brief story about the viewplane change (along with Dan English's resignation).

Since there is already a viewplane thread, I will post the link there.
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2010, 12:56 PM
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It is sad. I started following Halifax area developments about 3 years ago when Halifax was awarded the Commonwealth Games bid. However, from following the Nova Scotia area news closely over the past 3 years, it seems that as soon as development and money starts flowing into Nova Scotia, then councillors and provincial politicians start thinking of ways to stop it. The only way these people will learn, is if they are the ones who are unable to find work and must move away. Maybe in the next municipal election (2012), it will finally be the time when residents send some of them packing (look out Ontario and Alberta). Maybe after living out of the province for 10 - 20 years some of them will understand how progressive cities function. Actually, all they have to do is move to Moncton for 10 - 20 years (although I personally would send them to Siberia).

My apologies for my negativism, I really want to see the Halifax area do well, but these backward thinking politicians really peeve me.

PS: Am I missing something. Are some councillors against highrise buildings because they are concerned with residents getting stuck in the case of fire? Is there a good reason? I don't see this sentiment in Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, Calgary, Edmonton, and Hamilton. All of these cities have their share of 1960's and 1970's highrise concrete bunkers but they didn't become obsessively opposed to highrises.
Not that many people vote in these municipal elections. If you started some time of grass-roots movement (Everyone from these types of sites + your friends, etc.) you might actually be able to impact the vote.
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HEY LADY! Maybe if you guys actually approved high density in the city we wouldn't have to worry about this! Your goal of pushing everyone out of the city to the suburbs means you have to widen roads in order for them to get to work!


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Not that many people vote in these municipal elections. If you started some time of grass-roots movement (Everyone from these types of sites + your friends, etc.) you might actually be able to impact the vote.
Another way would be to determine which potentially new and current councillors are progressive thinkers and then do a networking campaign to help them get elected in 2012.
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Downtown development finally gets its due


Fourteen years after amalgamation, Hali fax regional council has been dragged, kicking and screaming into making a priority of what’s left of the downtown core.

It’s a pity that it took so long.

And while it’s not clear that a report approved by councillors on Tuesday is anything more than window-dressing, it at least provides hope and a potential vehicle for change.

The staff report calls for the creation of a decision-making body to deal with the downtown. It pulled no punches. It out lines the benefits a vibrant downtown core could bring to the entire region and warned of looming decline if no action is taken.

“Simply put, strategic urban invest ment creates regional prosperity," says the report. “A healthy urban core is the most powerful tool available for address ing the financial and environmental challenges facing all cities.

“A vital urban core creates the finan cial strength necessary to provide amen ities and services to all communities within a city region."

Council adopted the recommendations in the report, which include creating a group called the Strategic Urban Part nership that will include representatives from three levels of government, busi ness and other groups. The partnership will be tasked to “encourage" investment and development in urban initiatives.

But terms of reference for the group have yet to be drafted and it’s not clear how much clout it will have in terms of directing or making recommendations on spending decisions.

Getting Halifax regional council to at least endorse the partnership is a good first step, however. The staff report, filled with refreshingly blunt language, left very little political wiggle room for a regional government that has too often been divided by parochialism and local interests.

The result, in a region where down town councillors on both sides of the harbour have been heavily outnumbered by their suburban and rural counterparts, has been years of neglect. Boarded win dows, empty lots and an outmigration of residents are evident throughout what used to be known as “main" streets.

The Halifax region is hardly original in experiencing this situation. The regional core — which the report defines as pen insular Halifax and downtown Dart mouth — “is not positioned as a strategic economic asset by the municipal, pro vincial or federal levels of government.

“As a result, it has missed out on eco nomic development opportunities that would have benefitted all residents. Be cause its population is either stagnant or in decline, because businesses are strug gling and because several major ap proved developments have not proceed ed, the Regional Centre is at risk of ‘hol lowing out.’ “If we want it to be more like down town Boston (dense, liveable and pros perous) rather than like downtown De troit (hollowed-out, in decline) then expedient action is required," says the report.

The document also dispels a few myths about regional attitudes towards the downtown. It points out that redevel opment of the downtown was chosen as being among the top five capital project priorities in the 2010 citizens survey undertaken by the regional government.

It also noted than a large, region-wide survey by the Greater Halifax Partnership showed that 66 per cent of respondents disagreed with the statement, “HRM spends too much money on downtown Halifax," while only 21 per cent agreed with it.

Results from a Conference Board of Canada report from 2006 are also in cluded in the report. The board’s report concludes that, compared to nine region al city centres across the country, the downtown core of the Halifax region is “under-funded."

The blueprint approved by council this week provides a means by which devel opment in the downtown core could be encouraged, rather than frustrated. It suggests a three-tier, decision-making body that could identify, approve and initiate projects to revitalize the economy in the urban core.

Residents can hope that the current council has the leadership, through clear and powerful terms of reference, to give this partnership the teeth it needs to be successful. After years of neglect, which must be laid directly at the feet of region al councils over the past decade, this capital plan is at least a start towards a thriving, vibrant downtown core that will bring benefits to the entire region.

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"Getting Halifax regional council to at least endorse the partnership is a good first step, however. The staff report, filled with refreshingly blunt language, left very little political wiggle room for a regional government that has too often been divided by parochialism and local interests."

lol

I need to see this report.
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The document also dispels a few myths about regional attitudes towards the downtown. It points out that redevel opment of the downtown was chosen as being among the top five capital project priorities in the 2010 citizens survey undertaken by the regional government.

It also noted than a large, region-wide survey by the Greater Halifax Partnership showed that 66 per cent of respondents disagreed with the statement, “HRM spends too much money on downtown Halifax," while only 21 per cent agreed with it.


What a joke. It's amazing how much stock people put into the words of goofs like Pacey and all of these destructive councillors. Most people realize how important a vibrant downtown core is but the anti-development folk are louder and gain most of the attention.

The propaganda from these anti-development trolls needs to stop.
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Getting Halifax regional council to at least endorse the partnership is a good first step, however. The staff report, filled with refreshingly blunt language, left very little political wiggle room for a regional government that has too often been divided by parochialism and local interests.

The result, in a region where down town councillors on both sides of the harbour have been heavily outnumbered by their suburban and rural counterparts, has been years of neglect. Boarded win dows, empty lots and an outmigration of residents are evident throughout what used to be known as “main" streets.
Well put.

I have long felt that HRM is a bastard child that is far too large geographically and has too too many competing political agendas. The net result is political and institutional paralysis.

A new "City of Halifax" should be formed, consisting of "old" Halifax, Dartmouth, Bedford, Sackville and whatever parts of the commuter watershed that make sense. Hopefully there would be some commonality of purpose in this new political entity that would allow it to avoid being as dysfunctional as the current monstrosity is.

Let the County of Halifax fend for itself...............long live the new City of Halifax!!
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I really dislike vacuous feel-good statements like this.

Saying that something is "for the good of our community" is totally meaningless.
But "...it's the right thing to do".

Talk about vacuous feel-good intellectually lazy bullshit, that catch phrase drives me crazy. Don't tell me what the right thing to do is, I can render that judgment myself, thankyouverymuch.
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Fourteen years after amalgamation, Hali fax regional council has been dragged, kicking and screaming into making a priority of what’s left of the downtown core.

It’s a pity that it took so long.

And while it’s not clear that a report approved by councillors on Tuesday is anything more than window-dressing, it at least provides hope and a potential vehicle for change.

The staff report calls for the creation of a decision-making body to deal with the downtown. It pulled no punches. It out lines the benefits a vibrant downtown core could bring to the entire region and warned of looming decline if no action is taken.

“Simply put, strategic urban invest ment creates regional prosperity," says the report. “A healthy urban core is the most powerful tool available for address ing the financial and environmental challenges facing all cities.

“A vital urban core creates the finan cial strength necessary to provide amen ities and services to all communities within a city region."

Council adopted the recommendations in the report, which include creating a group called the Strategic Urban Part nership that will include representatives from three levels of government, busi ness and other groups. The partnership will be tasked to “encourage" investment and development in urban initiatives.

But terms of reference for the group have yet to be drafted and it’s not clear how much clout it will have in terms of directing or making recommendations on spending decisions.

Getting Halifax regional council to at least endorse the partnership is a good first step, however. The staff report, filled with refreshingly blunt language, left very little political wiggle room for a regional government that has too often been divided by parochialism and local interests.

The result, in a region where down town councillors on both sides of the harbour have been heavily outnumbered by their suburban and rural counterparts, has been years of neglect. Boarded win dows, empty lots and an outmigration of residents are evident throughout what used to be known as “main" streets.

The Halifax region is hardly original in experiencing this situation. The regional core — which the report defines as pen insular Halifax and downtown Dart mouth — “is not positioned as a strategic economic asset by the municipal, pro vincial or federal levels of government.

“As a result, it has missed out on eco nomic development opportunities that would have benefitted all residents. Be cause its population is either stagnant or in decline, because businesses are strug gling and because several major ap proved developments have not proceed ed, the Regional Centre is at risk of ‘hol lowing out.’ “If we want it to be more like down town Boston (dense, liveable and pros perous) rather than like downtown De troit (hollowed-out, in decline) then expedient action is required," says the report.

The document also dispels a few myths about regional attitudes towards the downtown. It points out that redevel opment of the downtown was chosen as being among the top five capital project priorities in the 2010 citizens survey undertaken by the regional government.

It also noted than a large, region-wide survey by the Greater Halifax Partnership showed that 66 per cent of respondents disagreed with the statement, “HRM spends too much money on downtown Halifax," while only 21 per cent agreed with it.

Results from a Conference Board of Canada report from 2006 are also in cluded in the report. The board’s report concludes that, compared to nine region al city centres across the country, the downtown core of the Halifax region is “under-funded."

The blueprint approved by council this week provides a means by which devel opment in the downtown core could be encouraged, rather than frustrated. It suggests a three-tier, decision-making body that could identify, approve and initiate projects to revitalize the economy in the urban core.

Residents can hope that the current council has the leadership, through clear and powerful terms of reference, to give this partnership the teeth it needs to be successful. After years of neglect, which must be laid directly at the feet of region al councils over the past decade, this capital plan is at least a start towards a thriving, vibrant downtown core that will bring benefits to the entire region.

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What is the downtown councilors history of voting on development applications?

I can only count one time they approved a development, which was emera's power station redevelop, of which was as of right development and didn't require council approval. I can quickly count no less then seven developments that have recieved "no" votes from the councilor from the area. So was bugs me is when the councilor for the area say in the local media that they want condo developers and businesses to develop downtown, yet they have voted almost every project to come to council in that area down.

Therefore council can only blame itself for the state of affairs downtown is in as a number of these developments could have gone ahead if they didn't require such a length approval process.

Coupled with this is councils allowance of massive density to be outside the core in places like clayton park and bedford to be developed.

As much as i like this paper, its contents and thoughts, i believe we need more action and less paper. Real estate development is market driven, miss the market demands and things get put on hold. Therefore time is of the esence and council should not be waiting six months to hear from the review.
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I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to eat anything grown on what was Queen Elizabeth High School. The beginning of that news article about its demolition suggested that the contractors had a huge job ahead of them, remediating the site before they even pulled down a single wall.
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I am currently in Shanghai, and by god this city is amazing, after seeing what the Chinese can do with a city which was decrepit, and turning it into a vibrant living neighborhood with high technology and infrastructure where it counts is something that it seems like Halifax will never be able to do.
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I am currently in Shanghai, and by god this city is amazing, after seeing what the Chinese can do with a city which was decrepit, and turning it into a vibrant living neighborhood with high technology and infrastructure where it counts is something that it seems like Halifax will never be able to do.
Maybe once Halifax is a decrepit, hollowed out city then the people preventing development will finally realize the problem with their strategy. The heritage buildings will be crumbling also since there won't be any money to renovate them.
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