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Old Posted Nov 5, 2024, 9:10 PM
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If you build it, they will come.

Are there any visionaries out there in HRM city hall???
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2024, 3:06 PM
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So they are thinking of resurrecting the unused rail line from Windsor to the new Bedford Mill Cove Ferry.

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So they are thinking of resurrecting the unused rail line from Windsor to the new Bedford Mill Cove Ferry.
Sounds like a plan.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2024, 3:16 PM
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If HRM and the centre gets BRT and the outskirts have quality rail connecting them into the regional centre, that's a great start.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2024, 3:27 PM
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If HRM and the centre gets BRT and the outskirts have quality rail connecting them into the regional centre, that's a great start.
Like this maybe:

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It's a start, but, I would still rather see regional rail going all the way into downtown (at least eventually).
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2024, 4:46 PM
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It's a start, though I think people will pretty quickly demand that it go into downtown somehow. The downtown extension is hard, obviously, but this could be the start of a regional network that also goes out towards Truro.

New track from Bedford to Burnside through Magazine Hill would be a (relatively) easy win too. Does the line through downtown Dartmouth get much use? Pretty much only from the autoport these days, right?
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2024, 4:57 PM
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If HRM and the centre gets BRT and the outskirts have quality rail connecting them into the regional centre, that's a great start.

I see it pretty much the opposite. We've invested heavily in our 100 series highways which are in good shape and run well under capacity. Residents of rural areas need a car perhaps more so than city dwellers. I am of the mind that coach style bus transportation from rural centres to a city-wide LRT system makes more sense. As rural areas grow to the extent that the highways need to be expanded, then implement regional rail. This isn't to say that inter-city regional rail couldn't perform a dual role ie. commuter rail from Truro to Halifax while also inter-city Halifax - Moncton - Saint John.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2024, 5:11 PM
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I guess I'll be the fly in the ointment: it is ridiculous to propose light rail in CBRM, and between Windsor and Mill Cove, while Halifax struggles with by far the greatest transit deficit and the worst congestion in the province. The epicentre of our congestion crisis is in the core of the city; the greatest benefits from transit spending, economically and in terms of quality of life, will be realized there. Connecting small towns with light rail without even addressing urban congestion is beyond ludicrous. This is much worse than what I expected.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2024, 6:46 PM
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Having commuter/intercity rail go downtown wouldn't be that important if there was a fast, reliable urban rail service for it to connect to. I remember Someone123 once suggested that rail be included on the McKay's replacement which would allow it access to Hfx without going around the basin and without conflicts on the CN mainline. Sending the train downtown is more trouble than it's worth considering that the train station isn't at the most central part of downtown and doesn't get that great of bus connections. So not really worth going all the way around the S.end and dealing with freight conflicts.

The best option in my view is for the mainline rail station to be either at Young/Windsor which will hopefully continue its development as a 2nd downtown, or at Mumford which has great connections. I hate to say it, but considering how poor a connection the railcut represents and the not optimal location of the current train station, I think it should probably be turned into something else. Maybe a nice store or something.

Here's a revised version of the LRT map I made awhile ago. There would be three services: Joe Howe to Dal via downtown, Joe Howe to Micmac via bridge, and Micmac to Dal via downtown. The stretch from the bridge terminal to Micmac would be a single-track bored tunnel which would allow service every 5 min per direction with each of the two services running every 10 min. The bridge would also be a reversible single track as would a tunnel for half of Gottingen from roughly Cunard to Cogswell. Then from Cogwell it would go down to Granville where Granville pedestrian mall would be extended to include all of Granville st and act as a trans corridor. The route would go underground at Maritime centre with a station being built into its base, and mall and would remain underground up SGR until emerging on the other side of S. Park st. It would run on the serface with full signal priority along Summer and University before ending at Dal. Route #1 would connect to the LRT at Dal before continuing to St. Mary's rather than going downtown since that service would be provided by the LRT.

The only other tunneled section would be between Gottingen and Robie where it would emerge and run on the surface in the median of a widened Robie St.

Below are images of the LRT route with and without streets.





Here's the LRT with the intercity rail spur



The main difference between this and my prior LRT map is the tunnel to Micmac. Dartmouth just doesn't have the street grid or corridors to work well with surface LRT, but Micmac provides connections to a lot of different routes while the tunnel would offer a very fast express link into town. The BRT route in the map q12 posted would just be made into a crosstown route in Dartmouth as a single route from Portland Hills to Dartmouth Crossing providing xfer to ferry and LRT rather than crossing the bridge. Of the Haf routes, the Green one on Robie would be basically unchanged while the ones from Larry Uteck and Greystone would end at the LRT, perhaps one at Mumford and the other at Joe Howe.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2024, 7:26 PM
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Wouldn't a line to Windsor be HEAVY rail?
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2024, 7:42 PM
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I guess I'll be the fly in the ointment: it is ridiculous to propose light rail in CBRM, and between Windsor and Mill Cove, while Halifax struggles with by far the greatest transit deficit and the worst congestion in the province. The epicentre of our congestion crisis is in the core of the city; the greatest benefits from transit spending, economically and in terms of quality of life, will be realized there. Connecting small towns with light rail without even addressing urban congestion is beyond ludicrous. This is much worse than what I expected.
This is more for the people that vote for him versus the people that don't.

The reason they went with Windsor is because its the low hanging fruit where it's the cheapest option and they don't have to step on CN's toes past Windsor Junction.

http://https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/no...r-rail-line-that-has-no-trains-1.5769258

Fixing traffic in Halifax would be expensive and would take planning a raft of large projects taking us into the 2030-2040's. It would not be popular among his voters, as they feel Halifax gets too much already. When I hear it discussed in the same breath as CBRM's plan, I know it doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of happening any time soon.

We can still dream though. My vision includes a rail and road tunnel using the Caissons technique at the end of the Highway 111 in Woodside. It would include a new ROW for a main line rail all along the Circ until the top of Burnside through Metro transits land and across MacDonald Ave or at the bottom of Burnside. It would stop trains from slowly snaking through Dartmouth and provide a connection to the South End rail cut which I've talked about before and exit at the Windsor Exchange.
http://https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9454457&postcount=72

It would allow for a loop around the most dense parts of the city. Also it would allow for prime waterfront land to become available in Dartmouth for a boardwalk while speeding up travel times for trains bound for the rest of North America.
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Wouldn't a line to Windsor be HEAVY rail?
Of course. There haven't been any new interurbans in decades in NA.
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Here is a picture of the VIA Rail Dayliners at Windsor Junction, NS that ran till 1990.

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Caption: Heading into Halifax, this train is just through Windsor Junction and is about to duck under Highway 102 (The "Bi - Hi", or Bicentennial Highway for those that remember such things)
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Date: 08/30/1986
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Subdivision/SNS: Windsor Junction (search)
City/Town: Halifax
Province: Nova Scotia
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RER would be awesome

Halifax to Airport
Halifax to Windsor + Kentville
Halifax Truro + New glasgow
Halifax to Bridgewater + Lunenburg branch
Halifax to Musquodoboit Harbour + Sheet Harbour

With some nice Stadler FLIRT rolling stock

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Rail to the airport would be a dream come true for many...

This morning I googled 'cap and cover' and was thinking in terms of our rail cut what it might entail. I was surprised to see how tight a fit train tunnels appear to be and also surprised to see metal culverts used as a tunnel surround rather than thick concrete. I've been flogging the 'cap the cut' horse for a while now and thought I'd make another pitch and suggest some benefits which could include: eliminating what is a bit of an ugly gash in our landscape, gaining usable land on the peninsula, freight train sound control, a place to put pyritic slate, eliminate need for bridges maintenance across the cut, provide land for LRT or BRT perhaps lessening the need to expropriate land, perhaps retain existing road width for autos... an exercise in thinking out loud.

It just occurred to me that if the Liberals win the provincial election then the transit bus to/from the airport will become free.
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You'd need a robust ventilation system for freight trains as well if the tunnel was going to be longer than just an underpass.

Really, the main benefit of re-using intercity mainline rail corridors for urban transport is that they already exist and are cheap/easy. So they don't require big expense nor prompt the same fights from NIMBYs as building a new rail corridor would. They often don't have optimal routes or stop locations for passenger service since many were built for freight, but since you can often just buy trainsets and put up a basic low platforms that's ok.

But when it starts getting pricey with a complete remake of the corridor and when you start talking about frequent buses on the surface when it used to be occasional trains in a trench, you lose both of those advantages. And you therefore lose much of the reason for sticking to that corridor and may as well just plan the project on a more optimal route.
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Yes. What you've said makes perfect sense. The rail cut itself is a poor location for LRT given its west side only location on the peninsula. I suppose that whether or not the cut has a role to play in future LRT routing could depend on other factors? With our narrow street scale does it make sense to have a single track unidirectional loop on the east-side and the west-side of the peninsula sharing a single track down the centre? Or does having bi-directional side by side tracks going north/south and east/west on the peninsula crossing each other near the centre of the peninsula make more sense? Might a corridor required for side by side tracks seem oversized for our smallish peninsula?
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Feds have announced funding for all new rolling stock for Via Rail across the whole system (except the Windsor corridor which just got new stock), including Atlantic Canada. I didn't realize it but apparently the majority of the passenger cars on the system date from immediately after WWII.
Via announced this week that they have issued Requests for Qualification (RFQ) for manufacturers as the next step in the effort to replace its aging long distance, remote service and regional equipment. Via's news release doesn't specify numbers of cars and locomotives to be ordered (earlier reports suggested 300 cars, which is not much more than the current fleet), nor does it give dollar figures. The replacement program was announced in the last federal budget but without costing to preserve competitive bidding.

Via also released some renderings but they are nothing more than concepts at this point. Most surprising is they include mid-train dome cars and full-service dining cars with onboard kitchens. But industry insider Bill Stephens says that only the Toronto-Vancouver Canadian will likely see these cars. The plans also include four classes of sleeping accommodation, but -- similar to the current Renaissance fleet in Halifax-Montreal service -- no single-occupancy cabins ('roomettes') or end-of-train observation cars.


Source: Railmarket.com

Many assumed that Via would probably end up piggybacking on a pending order for new equipment by Amtrak in the U.S. But Amtrak's plan hasn't advanced past the consultation phase and very likely won't survive Trump and Musk (whose mantra is 'pave baby pave'), so Via may leapfrog the Americans...if they can sign contracts before a government change in Ottawa.

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Very interesting. Hopefully the new equipment will be a little more spacious and comfortable - and more resilient to Canadian environmental conditions - than the old Renaissance fleet.
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