NEW YORK | 53W53 (Tower Verre) | 1,050 FT / 320 M | 73 FLOORS

[Fabb]

Originally Posted by RobertWalpole

Nouvel stated in an interview last month that he's tweaking the design to comply with the City's requirements.

In that case, I'd like to see that new design. It should be done by now !
I wonder if this is going to be a mystery project like Beekman Place, whose design was keept secret until the end, or if Nouvel is taking his time because the project is dormant.

[OneWorldTradeCenter]

I want to see this built at 1,250 feet- 381 meters!

[RobertWalpole]

That will not happen. I'm happy with 310m, especially considering that NY and London are the only cities in developed nations in which a lot of high-rise construction is occurring right now.

[Tony73]

But the tower when can be built, 2012, 2013 or 2014?

[NYguy]

^ We have to worry about getting a final design, and then financing before we can know when it will be built.
Just knowing that it's approved (pending final design) will have to be enough for now.

Originally Posted by STR

Thank you sir. Those two seem to go together.

[RobertWalpole]

SUPERB!

[Zapatan]

I think the building works better at 1250 feet although 1050 is good too, especially if the new design is better, It's just logical to think that with all of the massive supertalls going up in NY some very large ones next to ESB even, that the height reduction could be overruled. I wouldn't be too hopeful for it but it's still possible.

[STR]

^Nah. The building actually works better at 1050. 1250 stretches it out too much. It's probably not really apparent in diagrams, but stick it in the environment and look at it from a few angles and it becomes clear.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by STR

^Nah. The building actually works better at 1050. 1250 stretches it out too much. It's probably not really apparent in diagrams, but stick it in the environment and look at it from a few angles and it becomes clear.

This building is a skyline marker, and as such it should have had as high a profile as possible. Even the massing version you have shown above has not diminished that aspect of the design. It's sad that at a time when so many large, bulky towers are proposed for Midtown, the one tower that gives us a taste of old New York had to get cut down. But we'll live with it. It's still taller than a lot of other developments at 1,050 ft. Ironically, Hines could have built up to 1,089 ft with no approvals, but that obviously would have resulted in a less appealing design..

[JDRCRASH]

Man, great job STR!!

[NYguy]

Some of you may get a little vomit in the mouth from reading th bottom article. But it was in response to Nouvel's quotes on another project by Ghery...

http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/36...um-is-delayed/


February 8, 2011

...Work on the project — a 130,000-square-foot structure referred to as a "cloud of glass," and intended to reflect the sky and create harmony with nature — has gone on for over a year, and concrete has already been poured. But a group of residents oppose the building on several grounds, including its projected 150-foot height, and have filed a request to halt construction. Though the judge rejected that claim, he upheld their charge that the building blocks a public road through the park and withdrew the building permit that was issued in 2007.

...As for Nouvel, the celebrated French architect told the Journal du Dimanche's Bertrand Gréco that he feels like "sounding off" after speaking with Gehry about the withdrawal of the permit. Nouvel accused the area's residents of systematically objecting to any ambitious projects, an attitude he calls "uncivil and uncultured."

Not mincing his words, the architect also went after the obstructionists for their conservatism. "These people show a blind and perverse individualism that goes against public interest," he said. "They object to any change on principle. In their tight little suits, they want to put Paris in formaldehyde. It's quite pathetic."

Nouvel, of course, doesn't think the citizens' allegedly reactionary stance is a specifically French thing: "it's the same thing in New York," he said. He would know. His plans for a giant new tower for MoMA in that city have been met by furious opposition every step of the way, leading him to accuse his midtown foes of likewise "embalming the city" in an interview with New York magazine.

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http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/36...cent-disputes/
To the Editors: On Defending Midtown From Jean Nouvel...

February 9, 2011

Nouvel's interpretation of the opposition to his tower is misplaced. Promising a contextual design, he tried to impose a 1,250-foot tower on a mid-block location in a low-rise area where the Museum Tower apartment building to the east is 52 stories and the CBS building to the west is a similarly normal size for midtown. We are not interested in embalming the city. Au contraire, we want a gorgeous building that is scaled to the neighborhood. In his presentation of the design, Mr. Nouvel said, "Now everyone will know where MoMA is." Did he really think that was true?


RitaSue Siegel
Vice President West 54-55 Street Block Association
Coalition for Responsible Midtown Development
New York, NY

[yankeesfan1000]

It's been said before, but it is beyond disappointing that this beauty has had such a difficult birth. This is the best tower proposed in the city right now, and one of the best in the entire world. Hopefully Nouvel can come up with a revised design over the coming months, and construction can start before the end of the year as demand for high end residential units in Manhattan is very high right now.

[kickser]

^^ it is not just the demand for high end residential units, it is also the scarce of class A office space in manhattan. Manhattan definately NEEDS some biggies /bigger scale projects atm.

[RobertWalpole]

The demand for properties like this is high!

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/78ed67e6-2...#axzz1DcC5UYRc

Suite dreams
By Emma Mahony

Published: February 4 2011 22:11

The interiors of the Trump International Hotel and Tower will appeal to the male business traveller

Well-heeled New Yorkers have received some welcome news as they tramp through the snow in chilly Manhattan. New York City, the most expensive place in the US, has seen a 12-month gain of 26.3 per cent in the luxury end of the market, as the fourth-quarter figures released by Prudential Douglas Elliman in January showed a jump in average prices of 9 per cent from the third quarter. The average price of property in the upper 10 per cent of Manhattan co-op and condo sales rose from $5,636,600 to $6,141,426. The last three months of 2010 provided a good Christmas present for the New York luxury real estate vendors.

And it’s not just the residential market that is enjoying a boost in a city where fortunes are so closely linked to commerce. Commercial property values are also hinting at an upturn, with suggestions that the market may have finally bottomed out in August. September saw the biggest monthly gain on record according to the Moody’s/Real commercial property price index. With a rise of 4.3 per cent nationally, New York was singled out in the survey as outperforming the rest of the commercial property sector in demand for the best office buildings and “trophy” assets...

Talking up the market is something Manhattanites are keen to do after a period in the doldrums. Kirk Henckels of Striblings and Associates, who deals only in sales of Manhattan properties priced $5m-plus, says: “The high end just shot through the roof. Perhaps people were waiting until after the mid-term elections back in November, worrying over the tax effect, but I have had a terrific couple of weeks. After five sales in six months, I have had four going on in the past few days. I’m happy.”

[RobertWalpole]

The demand for properties like this is high!

http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011...WSJ_NY_NY_Blog

[Wrightguy0]

wait, so they used the museum tower as an example of low rise development? really? a 52 story tower is low rise?

[MolsonExport]

I want this tower to be built so damn badly.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Wrightguy0

wait, so they used the museum tower as an example of low rise development? really? a 52 story tower is low rise?

You can't reason with NIMBYs. Once a tower reaches 500 ft, they're all pretty much the same in cities like New York, where the streets are dense to begin with. To me, the Tower Verre seems "lighter"...










A look at the "lowrises" of 53rd Street that this tower would sit between...

[SD_Phil]

Easily my favorite proposal in NY even now.

[gramsjdg]

Agreed. This is my favorite design for any currently proposed supertall anywhere.
Maybe if they moved MOMO to the Hudson Yards site/development they could build it to the full 1250 ft- or better yet, even taller