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France has everything packed in a compact country. It's the USA of Europe, almost all climates, but in a far smaller (and therefore more accessible) territory than the US or China.

The pictures illustrating the France article at Wikipedia are quite revealing.

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France has everything packed in a compact country. It's the USA of Europe, almost all climates, but in a far smaller (and therefore more accessible) territory than the US or China.

The pictures illustrating the France article at Wikipedia are quite revealing.

yes, but how about Prime Minister Carney's French?
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Looks like the very coldest parts of France have the same hardiness rating as the very mildest parts of Atlantic Canada (namely, zone 6a).

And yeah, obviously, Atlantic Canada doesn't have anything as harsh climatically as the summits of the Alps. Or even the Pyrénées.
The mildest parts of Atlantic Canada are 6b and 7a, and I think we will see those 6b and 7a zones expand considerably as global warming intensifies.

Compared to the rest of Canada, Atlantic Canada is quite mild. Yet, our friend from France seems to going out of his way to insult the climate of Atlantic Canada without saying too much about the climate of La Belle Province.
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These zonal maps are a bit bogus anyway. For example they describe the plain of Toulouse and the plain of Perpignan as being in the same climate zone (9B), which is absurd as any local knows. In the plain of Perpignan you can grow lemon trees in your garden, which you couldn't do in the plain of Toulouse because of the frost in winter. Also, in Perpignan the mimosas blossom in early February, which is definitely not the case in Toulouse (where there are no mimosas to start with, the climate being too cold for them).

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France has everything packed in a compact country. It's the USA of Europe, almost all climates, but in a far smaller (and therefore more accessible) territory than the US or China.

The pictures illustrating the France article at Wikipedia are quite revealing.

Huh. Glacier Cook, îles Kerguelen... Looks like a perfect place for a detention camp! Makes SPM look like a tropical paradise.
     
     
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yes, but how about Prime Minister Carney's French?
It's bad, but if what it takes to stand up to Trump is to elect an unilingual speaker of Polish as our leader, then it seems that that's what most voters will do as of spring of 2025, because Trump is THAT much of an issue. Next topic!
     
     
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Huh. Glacier Cook, îles Kerguelen... Looks like a perfect place for a detention camp! Makes SPM look like a tropical paradise.
I think this would be the only place in overseas France where they could establish a detention camp, because there are no locals there, so no one can oppose it, but it would be very costly. It's located very far from Metropolitan France, and there are no airfields, only one ship reaching the archipelago twice a year. Building an airfield would cost money, and climate conditions may not allow flights everyday.

One leader of the far right had suggested opening detention camps in Kerguelen a few years ago to send dangerous Islamist terrorists there, but it generated a general outcry from the usual left-wing circles and media elites.

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A common mistake made by Francophones.

Likewise it's "a European" and not "an European" as I so often see. Francophones forget that these are not vowels, but the spelling hides a semi-consonant (or glide), the "y" semi-consonant in that case, so no -n.
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A common mistake made by Francophones.

Likewise it's "a European" and not "an European" as I so often see. Francophones forget that these are not vowels, but the spelling hides a semi-consonant (or glide), the "y" semi-consonant in that case, so no -n.
Really? Wow. I permanently learned something today Thanks!

Amusingly, so far none of the many Anglo-Saxon SSPers have ever noticed this, it took the Frenchman to correct my English
     
     
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Yet, our friend from France seems to going out of his way to insult the climate of Atlantic Canada without saying too much about the climate of La Belle Province.
I think he was referring to what the average French thinks. But anyone who would say SPM is "as cold as Canada" obviously lacks geography skills. You can't really make a blanket statement like that for a country as large as a continent.

At the same time, it's not really surprising that most French think the entire country has a subarctic climate, and is cold and gloomy year-round. I mean, I met many educated French people I met just assumed it was the case without giving it much thought.

Something like "as cold as the south and east coast of Newfoundland" would have been more accurate ("cold" as in "cool to temperate temperatures year-round", but just to simplify), but most people wouldn't have enough knowledge about the region to get into this level of detail.
     
     
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Really? Wow. I permanently learned something today Thanks!

Amusingly, so far none of the many Anglo-Saxon SSPers have ever noticed this, it took the Frenchman to correct my English
Can't speak for others, but I don't go out of my way correcting people's English when it's their second language, unless they are a friend trying to improve their English. Otherwise, it's kinda rude...

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Carney's French is still better than the vast majority of Anglophone Canadians, right? Moreover, better than Harper's French in 2006, non?


I'd still really like to here what New Brisavoine thinks about Carney's French lol
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Amusingly, so far none of the many Anglo-Saxon SSPers have ever noticed this, it took the Frenchman to correct my English
I general most Anglophones can't be bothered to point it out (that's their laissez-faire attitude), but they do notice it.
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Yeah, as the global baseline, people aren't too picky about technicalities.
     
     
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I think this would be the only place in overseas France where they could establish a detention camp, because there are no locals there, so no one can oppose it
The best place in the Kerguelen to establish detention facilities would be the Courbet peninsula. It's the bleakest possible place on Earth. It directly inspired Mordor. I've always thought it would be perfect to isolate all these Islamist terrorists.

It's doubtful a French president would ever have the guts and will to make it happen though. We're not the US alas.

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Can't speak for others, but I don't go out of my way correcting people's English when it's their second language, unless they are a friend trying to improve their English. Otherwise, it's kinda rude...

Carney's French is still better than the vast majority of Anglophone Canadians, right? Moreover, better than Harper's French in 2006, non?

I'd still really like to here what New Brisavoine thinks about Carney's French lol
I think Harper 2006 was better but that might just have been surprise or I am remembering 2015 Harper and he did have steady improvement for sure. Harper was also just more experienced as a politician. Carney wants to understand every word and nuance of a question so acts confused a lot whereas Harper would just hear climate change and use his well rehearsed talking points on that not worrying if it mentioned Paris Accord or whatever.

This is actually similar to a key trick for doing well on government of Canada French tests where many people get bogged down in the nuances of their opinion.
     
     
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I general most Anglophones can't be bothered to point it out (that's their laissez-faire attitude), but they do notice it.
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I general most Anglophones can't be bothered to point it out (that's their laissez-faire attitude), but they do notice it.
I think you might be surprised how many Anglo-Saxons, or rather, should I say, you might be surprised how many English 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 will go out their way to correct other people's English. Most Canadians would consider it impolite, and maybe most Americans either wouldn't notice, or not care.

The really weird thing, is that despite us being forced to learn French from a kindergarten in Canadian public schools, the UK arguably has a higher % of French speakers than Canada does outside of Québec and Acadie. The English like to learn French because its cultured, while Canadians usually only learn French if their parents put them in French immersion school.

What's really crazy is New Brunswick has worse French immersion than most other provinces in Canada where French does not have equal status.

I think public schools in Canada should focus on a lot more bilingual education, especially in the lower grades, and French should be mandatory all the way through grade 12. If it grade 12 French was a requirement of graduation for the vast majority of Canadian high school graduates, just imagine how many of them could go on to study French in university, or at least try and continue learning the language, or consuming French media.

I stopped studying French in grade 9, because it was no longer required, yet, looking back, I always enjoyed French class, and did quite well in French class, I should have continued taking it in high school, but my high school was half french immersion, so it felt kind of pointless, since it would be a joke compared to the fluency attained from my classmates who'd been in French immersion since grade kindergarten. Looking back, I really regret not sticking with French in high school. I think at least here in Nouveau Brunswick, it's required through grade 12, but the our public education system is still failing to increase levels of bilingualism here in Canada's only bilingual province.

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The English like to learn French because its cultured, while Canadians usually only learn French if their parents put them in French immersion school.
Not really true for the ROC. I started in grade 6, and had the option to take French or Home-Ec in grade 10. I stuck with French. This was in a public school on the prairies.

Nowadays I think it starts in grade 4.

Of course, it doesn't prepare you at all, if you can't actually practice it. My niece in MB says duolingo is more efficient than her French class.

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I think public schools in Canada should focus on a lot more bilingual education, especially in the lower grades, and French should be mandatory all the way through grade 12. If it grade 12 French was a requirement of graduation for the vast majority of Canadian high school graduates, just imagine how many of them could go on to study French in university, or at least try and continue learning the language, or consuming French media.
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Not really true for the ROC. I started in grade 6, and had the option to take French or Home-Ec in grade 10. I stuck with French. This was in a public school on the prairies.

Nowadays I think it starts in grade 4.

Of course, it doesn't prepare you at all, if you can't actually practice it. My niece in MB says duolingo is more efficient than her French class.



Agreed.
Interesting, because I spent my entire elementary school career in Manitoba, and I swear I remember us having French learning as early as kindergarten or grade 1... I was in the Saint Boniface School Division, which might have played a role?

A really funny story is that my father tried to put me in Saint Boniface School, a French public school, and the closest school to where we lived. They basically denied me because neither of my parents were fluent in French, though my Dad grew up in Montreal, and he argued that "my wife has a French surname"

The school said they would have to accept me if my parents insisted, but that I would come home every day crying, because the other students would have all spoken French as their first language, and I didn't. I still don't understand why he went through all that effort, and then didn't enrol me in French immersion.


I'd totally believe that French language education is lagging behind or even regressed from when I was in school, which is really sad, considering how far language learning, and translation innovations have come. I firmly believe if they did a better job teaching French in Canadian public school, high school graduates will be set up to succeed in continuing to learn French once they graduate.

Here in New Brunswick, I still can't believe the general response to former premier Blaine Higgs's somewhat recent proposal to turn the Anglophone school system into a bilingual school system (leaving the Francophone System untouched) was met with such virulent opposition from both Anglophone and Francophones, and the all influential SANB, as some sort of ploy from Higgs to ruin French Immersion education in New Brunswick.

The really crazy thing, is that French Immersion in New Brunswick, Canada's only bilingual province, now starts in grade 3, while it starts in kindergarten and grade one elsewhere in Canada. Higgs wanted to get rid of the French immersion program from the Anglophone system, and make the whole Anglophone system a bilingual system, like basically what is offered in Montreal, but he was attacked from all sides for the mere suggestion, and just gave up. . . I think he was a terrible premier all around, but that was possibly his one great idea.

In general, if Canadian students are given better French language learning in public schools, they will be set up to succeed in learning the language further once they exit the public school system... there's so many new resources out there to learn languages now that didn't exist a decade ago, and there will continue to be innovations into the future. Yet, for such a no brainer idea, there's seemingly very little support for increasing French learning in public schools across Canada.

It's almost as if some people in Canada prefer the situation as it is, and don't want more Anglophones learning French. In New Brunswick, that's absolutely how it feels like to me.
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Not really true for the ROC. I started in grade 6, and had the option to take French or Home-Ec in grade 10. I stuck with French. This was in a public school on the prairies.

Nowadays I think it starts in grade 4.

Of course, it doesn't prepare you at all, if you can't actually practice it. My niece in MB says duolingo is more efficient than her French class.



Agreed.
Back in my day, we started in Grade 7, about one 30 minute session per week. I remember my first French teacher's name was Mr French (really!).
     
     
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