The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[Helladog]

I know this would never happen in a million years... but I've had this thought that it's near impossible for a smaller city like SJ to stand out with such an overused name, and could use a new (unique) name. I'm sure the powers that be would bungle that up in any case. We're always going to be just overshadowed by St. John's, and all the other places with similar names. Just a thought, not to be taken too seriously I guess...

As with the old Elsie Wayne slogan of 'The greatest little city in the East', this to me always sounded hokey, and bears too close a resemblance to 'The greatest little Whorehouse in Texas'.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by Helladog

I know this would never happen in a million years... but I've had this thought that it's near impossible for a smaller city like SJ to stand out with such an overused name, and could use a new (unique) name. I'm sure the powers that be would bungle that up in any case. We're always going to be just overshadowed by St. John's, and all the other places with similar names. Just a thought, not to be taken too seriously I guess...

As with the old Elsie Wayne slogan of 'The greatest little city in the East', this to me always sounded hokey, and bears too close a resemblance to 'The greatest little Whorehouse in Texas'.

You're correct. It is a thought that shouldn't be taken seriously.

[ivegotaname]

How about we use our original name given to NB and parts of Maine and call it New Ireland again of course the loyalist hate me for that but im being loyal to my roots which both sets of grandparents are irish descent

[ivegotaname]

For the city let's call our selfs Parrtown. I like it alot

[adamuptownsj]

Absolutely not. We aren't a product. We're a city.

[DyAm00394]

Some interesting items in the upcoming Council Meeting agenda on November 27th.

1) "Money-in-lieu of Land for Public Purposes for the proposed Subdivision at 35 University Avenue".

"The proponent has applied to subdivide the site at 35 University Avenue to create a new lot for commercial development. Assent of the Money-in-lieu of Land for Public Purposes by Common Council is recommended by Staff".

2) "Money-in-lieu of Land for Public Purposes for the proposed Subdivision at PID 55032957, located on Alloy Drive".

"The proponent has applied to subdivide the site at PID 55032957 to create a new lot for a proposed industrial development".

3) "Money-in-lieu of Land for Public Purposes for the proposed Subdivision at 901 Foster Thurston Drive".

"The proponent has applied to subdivide the site at 901 Foster Thurston Drive to create a new lot. The site is located on the north side of the City, at the northern end of Rockwood Park. It formerly contained the Cherry Brook Zoo. The City would like to subdivide the property to allow for the sale of the newly subdivided lot.

4) There is also a presentation on the new international French private school opening in Market Square Sept 2024: https://pub-saintjohn.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=16217

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

Some interesting items in the upcoming Council Meeting agenda on November 27th.

1) "Money-in-lieu of Land for Public Purposes for the proposed Subdivision at 35 University Avenue".




2) "Money-in-lieu of Land for Public Purposes for the proposed Subdivision at PID 55032957, located on Alloy Drive".



3) "Money-in-lieu of Land for Public Purposes for the proposed Subdivision at 901 Foster Thurston Drive".




4) There is also a presentation on the new international French private school opening in Market Square Sept 2024: https://pub-saintjohn.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=16217

The French school is Saint John’s uniqueness paying dividends. Being located in one of Canada’s oldest neighborhoods on the water is an attractive proposition.

[cdnguys]

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[DyAm00394]

Saw on CCD Canada's Top 50 projects list that there was this project listed:

"NB - SAINT JOHN
MANUFACTURING FACILITY, ZONE D, SAINT JOHN
NEW MANUFACTURING FACILITY
$7,081,000"

Any ideas what and where this could be?

Update: Now that I think of it, it might be part of the airport redevelopment. "Zone D" is the logistics park according to their diagram.

So this will be the 3rd project listing that has popped on this database. Both "Air Cargo Facility, Zone A" and "Gas Station, Zone C" have appeared this past June.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

Saw on CCD Canada's Top 50 projects list that there was this project listed:



Any ideas what and where this could be?

Update: Now that I think of it, it might be part of the airport redevelopment. "Zone D" is the logistics park according to their diagram.

So this will be the 3rd project listing that has popped on this database. Both "Air Cargo Facility, Zone A" and "Gas Station, Zone C" have appeared this past June.

There are already 2 gas stations/convenience stores within sight of the airport. Do they really think there is business to support three?

As to "air cargo" Moncton would seem to have this pretty much sewn up. I'm no aviation expert but I've been told that YSJ's runway is too short to handle many cargo aircraft when fully loaded and the topography makes runway extension a very pricey/difficult preposition. Moncton's long runway is 10,000 feet. YSJ's is 7200

This whole thing smacks of "pie in the sky"/"Sounds good in the abstract" thinking.

[DyAm00394]

Originally Posted by sailor734

There are already 2 gas stations/convenience stores within sight of the airport. Do they really think there is business to support three?

As to "air cargo" Moncton would seem to have this pretty much sewn up. I'm no aviation expert but I've been told that YSJ's runway is too short to handle many cargo aircraft when fully loaded and the topography makes runway extension a very pricey/difficult preposition. Moncton's long runway is 10,000 feet. YSJ's is 7200

This whole thing smacks of "pie in the sky"/"Sounds good in the abstract" thinking.

Yeah it's a bit much to have 3 gas stations so close to each other, but it appears this development is actually going to be happening. There is already 2 other project listings issued for the gas station and for a air cargo facility. So they must have already have contracts signed for the gas station, air cargo and manufacturing facility for these project cards to be issued.

Overall, I just don't see the point of the negative/semi-negative comments I've seen online surrounding this plan ever since it was first announced. IMO this is a good use for the airport that isn't seeing much variety of passenger flights now a days and will have benefits for the region overall. It will work well alongside the booming port. Moncton airport isn't the only NB airport that can have all these type of things. I'm sure they've already well researched and put lots of planning into everything and it's possible that this all can happen. I'm sure there is also funding already in the works for this overall project.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by sailor734

There are already 2 gas stations/convenience stores within sight of the airport. Do they really think there is business to support three?

As to "air cargo" Moncton would seem to have this pretty much sewn up. I'm no aviation expert but I've been told that YSJ's runway is too short to handle many cargo aircraft when fully loaded and the topography makes runway extension a very pricey/difficult preposition. Moncton's long runway is 10,000 feet. YSJ's is 7200

This whole thing smacks of "pie in the sky"/"Sounds good in the abstract" thinking.

The runway can technically be extended to 9,330 feet just using the southern end of the runway

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[sailor734]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

Yeah it's a bit much to have 3 gas stations so close to each other, but it appears this development is actually going to be happening. There is already 2 other project listings issued for the gas station and for a air cargo facility. So they must have already have contracts signed for the gas station, air cargo and manufacturing facility for these project cards to be issued.

Overall, I just don't see the point of the negative/semi-negative comments I've seen online surrounding this plan ever since it was first announced. IMO this is a good use for the airport that isn't seeing much variety of passenger flights now a days and will have benefits for the region overall. It will work well alongside the booming port. Moncton airport isn't the only NB airport that can have all these things. I'm sure they've already well researched and put lots of planning into everything and it's possible that this all can happen. I'm sure there is also funding already in the works for this overall project.

You seem "sure" of a lot of things that appear to be unconfirmed to date. I think I'll retain a healthy degree of skepticism while I wait and see. Obviously, I hope I'm wrong but I've seen a lot of big proposals, announcements around here over the years that quietly sunk without a trace.

Two things come to mind....
1. Great news if it happens
2. I'll believe it when I see it......or when some concrete announcements about funding, clients, contracts etc get released.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

Yeah it's a bit much to have 3 gas stations so close to each other, but it appears this development is actually going to be happening. There is already 2 other project listings issued for the gas station and for a air cargo facility. So they must have already have contracts signed for the gas station, air cargo and manufacturing facility for these project cards to be issued.

Overall, I just don't see the point of the negative/semi-negative comments I've seen online surrounding this plan ever since it was first announced. IMO this is a good use for the airport that isn't seeing much variety of passenger flights now a days and will have benefits for the region overall. It will work well alongside the booming port. Moncton airport isn't the only NB airport that can have all these type of things. I'm sure they've already well researched and put lots of planning into everything and it's possible that this all can happen. I'm sure there is also funding already in the works for this overall project.

My friend who gets his beer from the agency store at runway Irving says they lost the contract and a new Shell station is being built and they got the contract for NBLC. Anyone else hear this?

[DyAm00394]

Originally Posted by sailor734

You seem "sure" of a lot of things that appear to be unconfirmed to date. I think I'll retain a healthy degree of skepticism while I wait and see. Obviously, I hope I'm wrong but I've seen a lot of big proposals, announcements around here over the years that quietly sunk without a trace.

Two things come to mind....
1. Great news if it happens
2. I'll believe it when I see it......or when some concrete announcements about funding, clients, contracts etc get released.

Just having a more optimistic outlook/thought process with things lol. Saying I'm "sure" is just my opinion. I obviously don't have inside knowledge and I'm not trying to state it as fact. I'm fully aware of some proposals and announcements not coming to fruition. But I'm still going to express and approach with a more positive outlook on things like this lol.

Originally Posted by cdnguys

My friend who gets his beer from the agency store at runway Irving says they lost the contract and a new Shell station is being built and they got the contract for NBLC. Anyone else hear this?

This is the first I've heard of that. I can see this possibly happening, very interesting.

[MonctonRad]

Runway 06/24 at the Romeo LeBlanc International Airport in Moncton was purposefully expanded to 10,000 feet in order to attract the "heavies" for international cargo traffic (747s, 777s etc). Other routine jet freighters like those used by Fed Ex and Purolator can use the shorter 11/29 runway.

If you want jumbo jets, you will have to extend one of your runways.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Runway 06/24 at the Romeo LeBlanc International Airport in Moncton was purposefully expanded to 10,000 feet in order to attract the "heavies" for international cargo traffic (747s, 777s etc). Other routine jet freighters like those used by Fed Ex and Purolator can use the shorter 11/29 runway.

If you want jumbo jets, you will have to extend one of your runways.

Moncton's "short" runway is 8,000' SJ's "long" one is 7200' Passenger 737's and A319's do use YSJ but I would expect a fully loaded cargo configuration would have a higher gross weight and might require a longer takeoff run. I know a lot of retired 767's are now being used by cargo operators. Google suggests they need 8743' at maximum weight.

Either way, any air cargo operation at YSJ would only be able to serve a limited number of cargo aircraft types.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

The runway can technically be extended to 9,330 feet just using the southern end of the runway

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Oh, sure. I'm certain it could be done. The big question would be if increased revenue could cover the capital cost.

I had a good friend who was a quite a senior AC pilot. I seem to recall him saying there was something about the topography/soil or something that would make a significant extension difficult and/or very expensive. I might be mistaken. This conversation was years ago and the details are hazy.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by sailor734

Oh, sure. I'm certain it could be done. The big question would be if increased revenue could cover the capital cost.

I had a good friend who was a quite a senior AC pilot. I seem to recall him saying there was something about the topography/soil or something that would make a significant extension difficult and/or very expensive. I might be mistaken. This conversation was years ago and the details are hazy.

Very well might be for the shorter runway hemmed in. In January of 2023 the airport CEO mentioned the possibility of borrowing federal funds to extend the runway.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Very well might be for the shorter runway hemmed in. In January of 2023 the airport CEO mentioned the possibility of borrowing federal funds to extend the runway.

I know the northern end of the long runway has a stream and a marshy depression but I think there might be an issue with hills if you go too far south south (or at least a rise in the elevation). I'd love to see it happen as it would open up more flexibility in equipment and destinations. As it is I don't think some aircraft that can use SJ can depart fully fueled.....and that puts a limit on range that excludes some destinations. (thinking of charter flights south)