Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[bob rulz]

I would be surprised if the city and the Bees weren't able to work it out. I doubt Millers really think moving to the suburbs would be better for them. There's a lot of advantages to being in the city, and with the Ballpark Area Plan close to being implemented, I don't see why they would want to leave. It seems like a bit of a sensationalist article.

[wrendog]

Originally Posted by bob rulz

I would be surprised if the city and the Bees weren't able to work it out. I doubt Millers really think moving to the suburbs would be better for them. There's a lot of advantages to being in the city, and with the Ballpark Area Plan close to being implemented, I don't see why they would want to leave. It seems like a bit of a sensationalist article.

Wonder if they have contingency plans for the ballpark area if SLC does end up getting an MLB team. If that happens, Smith Ballpark would no long be necessary and wouldn't be a focal point for the area

[delts145]

I think the L.D.S. Church's development of the tower east of Harmons, and probably even the big Elks Project on SouthTemple will happen before Cascade.

Originally Posted by Reeder113 View Post

Here's Blah's compilation with an updated West Quarter rendering.

Originally Posted by Ironweed

We now know that the second four from this matrix are either under construction or soon will be.

The next four are:

1.) Sundial - Converting project to residential?
2.) West Quarter - Unknown?
3.) Regent Hotel - Should be built after Astra is completed.
4.) Cascade - Unknown? Demand is there. Church does nothing. Maybe
church doesn't want to build due to the pending "Big One?"


What other information can we add, guys?

Originally Posted by Orlando

Don't forget 465 Main.

[wrendog]

Originally Posted by delts145

I think the L.D.S. Church's development of the tower east of Harmons, and probably even the big Elks Project on SouthTemple will happen before Cascade.

Remind me about this project....

[delts145]

^^^
Thanks for asking Wrendog. This is a classy project and I'm looking forward to seeing it get underway. Speaking of this location, has anyone seen or even heard anything about the designs for the developments across the street with the old University Club Tower redo and the replacement for the Carlton? I'm sure they'll do an attractive job with the University Club, but I'm a little nervous about the Carlton replacement. The Carlton definitely needed a lot of TLC but its design had a lot of charm to it, especially appropriate for that location.

Downtown - The Elks Development Project - Additional Renderings

Originally Posted by allh

Update on the South Temple apartments: Submitting 100% CD (construction documents) tomorrow so assuming developing will begin in the next month or so?

Originally Posted by Blah_Amazing

https://citizenportal.slcgov.com/Cit...howInspection=
The new building will be eight floors (5+podium) and 87 residential units.

Project Brief:

The property consists of multiple parcels totaling approx. 3 acres in Downtown Salt Lake City at the northeast corner of State and South Temple. The redevelopment proposal is for the rehabilitation and renovation of the Elks Building, site, and the attached parking structure along 1st Avenue. The Elks Building will be preserved and improved for use as an office building. The design proposal is to remove the mid-century additions that have been added onto the building and replace the top 2 floors with a new modern addition. The original south elevation, notable for its use of brick and terra cotta, will be preserved. The east and west elevations will be modified to provide additional windows to improve the interior quality of space. The interior of the building will be modernized to provide a high-quality office space opportunity.
New construction of a multi-family residential building with structured parking is proposed on the vacant land to the east of the Elks Building. The building will have residential units and upper floor balconies facing South Temple. The scale of the new building will be consistent in height with neighboring buildings. The façade facing South Temple is a combination of symmetrical and asymmetrical and will have architectural relief and steps in massing. An amenity deck is planned on the north side of the building over the parking structure. The parking structure will be lined with residential and have very little visual exposure to South Temple.
Existing homes along 1st Avenue, with the exception of one home, will remain in place and be renovated and remain as residential use. The one home proposed for demolition is designated as a contributing structure but was built midcentury and does not have the quality and character of the turn of the century homes to the east. The homes that will remain will be upgraded to improve the interior and exterior living environments. Color palettes will be updated, and landscape improvements will be made to the front and back of the homes.

Illustrative Site Plan in Site Context


View of Existing Site along South Temple


Rendering of Proposed Development and Design along South Temple


View of Existing Site on 1st Avenue


Rendering of Proposed Development and Design on 1st Avenue


Rendering of Proposed South Temple Residential Amenity Courtyard


View of Existing Site


Rendering of Proposed 1st Avenue Color Palette Enhancements


View of Existing Site


Rendering of Proposed 1st Avenue Color Palette Enhancements



Additional Renderings:


Perspective Views of Proposed Development and Design


Perspective Views of Proposed Development and Design


Rendering of Proposed Elks Building Rehabilitation


Perspective Views of Proposed Elks Building and Garage


Perspective Views of Proposed Elks Building and Garage


Perspective Views of Proposed Elks Building and Garage


Rendering of Proposed South Temple Residential Building


Perspective Views of Proposed Elks Building and Garage


Perspective Views of Proposed Elks Building and Garage


Perspective Views of Proposed South Temple Residential


Perspective Views of Proposed South Temple Residential


Perspective Views of Proposed South Temple Residential

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[Marvland]

Originally Posted by Comrade

Salt Lake isn't getting a MLB team for at least a decade - maybe even longer.

But putting it in the suburbs would be a disaster. Especially Daybreak, which I doubt would have the infrastructure to support a stadium that size.

I give it five years max. Wouldn't be surprised if MLB and NHL land here. Lots of buzz around this among people who know. All this talk of us "not being ready" are just plain silly. All it takes is a humming market and rich people to do it. That's it. And we have both in spades.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Marvland

I give it five years max. Wouldn't be surprised if MLB and NHL land here. Lots of buzz around this among people who know. All this talk of us "not being ready" are just plain silly. All it takes is a humming market and rich people to do it. That's it. And we have both in spades.

Na. NHL I could see - MLB absolutely not. You can have all the buzz you want but the MLB isn't expanding into Salt Lake over a host of other cities (and the buzz is only two new markets). Salt Lake will not get an expansion team before Portland, Vegas, Charlotte and probably even the league going back up into Montreal.

NHL is possible - but MLB ain't going to happen in five years. I can almost guarantee that.

[Marvland]

Originally Posted by Comrade

Na. NHL I could see - MLB absolutely not. You can have all the buzz you want but the MLB isn't expanding into Salt Lake over a host of other cities (and the buzz is only two new markets). Salt Lake will not get an expansion team before Portland, Vegas, Charlotte and probably even the league going back up into Montreal.

NHL is possible - but MLB ain't going to happen in five years. I can almost guarantee that.

Expansion is not the only path. In fact it's the path least trodden with franchises. Expansion happens every couple of decades. Teams trade ownership all the time. Plus MLB expansion is going to happen and Salt Lake will be very high up the list if a certain rich company doesn't beat it first. Point to whatever market you want. Lack of another major league team here is a huge selling point for us. Less audience dilution and much more demand. This market is severely underserved.

[bob rulz]

I certainly hope the Elks Project on South Temple is still happening, and that its design won't be value engineered into oblivion. It would be a wonderful bit of infill.

[i-215]

Originally Posted by Marvland

This market is severely underserved.

Do we sell out Bees games? (I don't know; asking. That would be an indicator if we're a "baseball" town or not).

[TheGeographer]

Originally Posted by i-215

Do we sell out Bees games? (I don't know; asking. That would be an indicator if we're a "baseball" town or not).

The Elks project looks fantastic!

[TheGeographer]

Daybreak area certainly will have the infrastructure to support a stadium with trax ending there and Mountain View converting into an interstate highway by 2030. Bangerter will be full on freeway in the next 10 years. Not saying I want it there, but it will have the infrastructure.

[TheGeographer]

I don’t see mlb coming to SLC, but crazier things have happened. Reading up on the next two team expansion and the possible move of the Rays and Athletics it seems like there are at least 10 other markets trying for a team. So we have a 50/50 chance. Play our cards right and maybe. I’ve said it before on this forum that I think we’d be a great hockey city. We already have a great arena - Vivent - that has hosted NHL preseason games in the past. NHL seems more likely than MLB to me

[wrendog]

Vivint sucks as a hockey arena though...

[TheGeographer]

Originally Posted by wrendog

Vivint sucks as a hockey arena though...

Haven’t been there for a hockey game. We could make the case that a team plays there with the promise of a new stadium to be built. Still think NHL has a better shot at landing here than MLB. I’d personally rather have NHL as a fan watching a sport but that’s just me. Could watch my Avalanche come to town

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Marvland

Expansion is not the only path. In fact it's the path least trodden with franchises. Expansion happens every couple of decades. Teams trade ownership all the time. Plus MLB expansion is going to happen and Salt Lake will be very high up the list if a certain rich company doesn't beat it first. Point to whatever market you want. Lack of another major league team here is a huge selling point for us. Less audience dilution and much more demand. This market is severely underserved.

Salt Lake isn't as high as you think. It's not going to happen within the next five years. I guarantee it. Portland, San Antonio, Montreal, Mexico City, Charlotte, Las Vegas and Nashville are all ahead of Salt Lake when it comes to expansion/relocation.

[wrendog]

Originally Posted by Comrade

Salt Lake isn't as high as you think. It's not going to happen within the next five years. I guarantee it. Portland, San Antonio, Montreal, Mexico City, Charlotte, Las Vegas and Nashville are all ahead of Salt Lake when it comes to expansion/relocation.

Disagree that San Antonio is ahead of SLC. I live here and MLB is not happening here.

Charlotte, Nashville, Vegas and Portland absolutely are ahead of SLC

Who knows if they want CDMX or to go back to MTL...

[ucsbgaucho]

Originally Posted by i-215

Do we sell out Bees games? (I don't know; asking. That would be an indicator if we're a "baseball" town or not).

Smith's Ballpark has a capacity of over 15,000, largest in its league. Last year they averaged 4,659 per game. The Nashville team led 2021 attendance with an average of 6,826.

Hard to judge AAA attendance when opposing teams have no players that really entice a fan to come (unless some MLB star is doing a rehab stint). But in comparison, the Miami Marlins only averaged 7,900 fans a game, with three total MLB teams averaging under 10,000 a game.

[ajiuO]

Originally Posted by Comrade

Yeah. I don't see that happening. Especially after they got the city to kick in $22 million for renovations, though that was part of Miller deal for the initial renovations.

I just don't see Smith abandoning the city for a suburban NBA stadium. But if he does, I'll probably be done with the Jazz for good.

I’m already done with the Jazz. They’ve traded most of the players I like away, and it sounds like Clarkson, Bogdonivic, and Conley are next. They are just a team of future first round draft picks now. They can move to Idaho for all I care. I’m done going to their games.

[wrendog]

Originally Posted by ajiuO

I’m already done with the Jazz. They’ve traded most of the players I like away, and it sounds like Clarkson, Bogdonivic, and Conley are next. They are just a team of future first round draft picks now. They can move to Idaho for all I care. I’m done going to their games.

Yeesh. There is a reason behind the trades. This is the perfect time to stick with the Jazz. They are serious about a rebuild.

Plus, low expectations, young players and most likely cheap tickets. It's gonna work out. The Gobert/Mitchell window was closing and Mitchell wanted out. The Jazz are doing the right thing here