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[moorhosj]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

That seems to be the go-to response, just LOL @ conservatives instead of actually say something of substance.

An attempt to add substance:

For decades, conservatives have accused democratic politicians of promising handouts to poor minorities in exchange for votes.

In this case, you have a conservative candidate literally handing out money to poor minorities. When he captures a large percentage of that same poor minority vote your first assumption is that it is based on policy substance.

From my perspective, it seems like a disingenuous argument used to reinforce a predetermined assumption. You can't have it both ways.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by moorhosj

An attempt to add substance:

For decades, conservatives have accused democratic politicians of promising handouts to poor minorities in exchange for votes.

In this case, you have a conservative candidate literally handing out money to poor minorities. When he captures a large percentage of that same poor minority vote your first assumption is that it is based on policy substance.

From my perspective, it seems like a disingenuous argument used to reinforce a predetermined assumption. You can't have it both ways.

Thanks for the response.

I think this is a fatal flaw in the way people view the world and how we see one thing totally different(not saying one way is right, reality is how you view it). You see that as a hypocrisy in him giving out money and conservatives viewing the government doing that as bad. However, the difference is the government uses all our money to give people money to get votes, this man was using his own money. He wasn't using *mine*. Huge difference. I will not take away from the obvious issues where it could look like hes literally buying votes though.

[moorhosj]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

You see that as a hypocrisy in him giving out money and conservatives viewing the government doing that as bad. However, the difference is the government uses all our money to give people money to get votes, this man was using his own money. He wasn't using *mine*. Huge difference. I will not take away from the obvious issues where it could look like hes literally buying votes though.

You are fundamentally misunderstanding my position, it has nothing to do with where the money comes from (or Wilson for that matter). It has to do with how "conservatives" view the recipients of the money. In one instance they are viewed as having no agency and blindly following the promise of handouts from Democrats. In the other instance, free money has no impact on them and they are simply voting their convictions. It's inconsistent.

[pip]

I knew nothing about Lightfooot but the more today I read the more I like her.

[10023]

I can’t see how either of them won’t be a big step back for Chicago, but Preckwinkle would obviously be a disaster. Anyone who thinks rent control in Chicago is necessary or a good idea is living in a fantasy land, and she’s completely owned by the public employee unions.

[galleyfox]

About Willie Wilson's support--
You have to consider that the other 3 viable candidates are considered outsiders to Chicago's African-American community. They don't necessarily agree with the guy, but they DO know him, so that is the reason why he won so many wards.
Lightfoot and Preckwinkle, aside from their race, have no more connection to the South Side than a white progressive living in Lincoln Park does. They didn't grow up in those neighborhoods; they came to Chicago by way of UofC, and so on. Enyia's family is African, and she only got her support from Chance the Rapper's endorsement.

Lightfoot and Preckwinkle will have to compete for the trust of South and West-siders, so endorsements from Willie Wilson and others are critical.

[SIGSEGV]

From Crain's:
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...en-springfield

Daley got clobbered in sections of the Northwest and Southwest sides that are home to many police officers, firefighters and other city workers by attorney Jerry Joyce. Daley should have done well in such areas in the same way that his brother and father did when they ran for mayor, but the pension issue hurt. Ironically, all of those cops will have to live with a new mayor in Lightfoot or Preckwinkle, both of whom strongly back tough police reforms and increased accountability.

[UPChicago]

Why is police accountability and reform ironic, police should embrace it. It will increase community trust thus making their jobs safer over the long run.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

From Crain's:
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...en-springfield

Yeah, look at the tribunes ward map. Joyce won some of those wards by huge margins, Daley came in second. Daley would have been the top vote getter had Joyce not been in the race. In the 19th alone, Joyce had 7500 votes to second place Daley at 1800. Vallas was in third, then Lightfoot and then Prekwinkle. I bet those Joyce voters aren't too happy. Now we are stuck with two bad choices.

[Steely Dan]

^ daley was a deeply flawed candidate because of his last name.

he was not entitled to anyone's vote.

he needed to earn them.

he did not.

it's on him.

[SIGSEGV]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

Yeah, look at the tribunes ward map. Joyce won some of those wards by huge margins, Daley came in second. Daley would have been the top vote getter had Joyce not been in the race. In the 19th alone, Joyce had 7500 votes to second place Daley at 1800. Vallas was in third, then Lightfoot and then Prekwinkle. I bet those Joyce voters aren't too happy. Now we are stuck with two bad choices.

I think Daley's pension stance probably pissed off a bunch of cops and firefighters who went to Joyce instead.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

I think Daley's pension stance probably pissed off a bunch of cops and firefighters who went to Joyce instead.

Absolutely, but Daley would have almost certainly been the second choice of the Joyce voters. The Daley and Joyce families used to work together, I guess they had a falling out somewhat recently.

[Steely Dan]

the other reason that the "joyce was a spoiler" accusations are BS is that joyce was in this race before rahm bowed out and everyone and their brother (including bill daley) said "what the hell, i'll run for mayor too, i guess".

from joyce's perspective, it'd be very easy to see daley as the actual spolier in this case.

[skysoar]

I am very disappointed that Daley lost. Neither one of these candidates are pro- business. And all of the neighborhood improvements they desire are not possible without an burgeoning business climate. I think though that Preckwinkle would be more likely though to warm up to the business sector than Lightfoot . Many of the unions that align with Preckwinkle know the importance of a having a growing construction, and other construction related jobs sector. Something tells me Lightfoot would be more inclined toward furthering social causes, and getting boughed down with police related issues, like Obama did at the expense of everything else. So Lightfoot is a no go for me.

[LouisVanDerWright]

Lightfoot is a Rahm appointee with a decidedly more technocratic platform than "yay raises for everyone who votes for me!"

Do not be fooled for a second into thinking Toni Preckwinkle is anything other than destructively anti business.

[skysoar]

Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright

Lightfoot is a Rahm appointee with a decidedly more technocratic platform than "yay raises for everyone who votes for me!"

Do not be fooled for a second into thinking Toni Preckwinkle is anything other than destructively anti business.

Problem is , Lightfoot would be more beholden to every fringe group in Chicago. That may be good for your reputation, but terrible for business. I want a city that works from downtown out, instead of outside in. Many people had a problem with Rahm style government, but with the exception of a few blaring mistakes, I didn't . I for one do not want to go back to the days of feudal ethnic warfare. If that becomes the order of the day I am gone. I just believe that Preckwinkle would be more insolated against that. Evidence is her pop-tax, though I disagreed with her, she yet held true to her convictions, until John Daley told her she didn't have the support from his constituents. I cant think of any convictions Lightfoot have shown.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by skysoar

Problem is , Lightfoot would be more beholden to every fringe group in Chicago. That may be good for your reputation, but terrible for business. I want a city that works from downtown out, instead of outside in. Many people had a problem with Rahm style government, but with the exception of a few blaring mistakes, I didn't . I for one do not want to go back to the days of feudal ethnic warfare. If that becomes the order of the day I am gone. I just believe that Preckwinkle would be more insolated against that. Evidence is her pop-tax, though I disagreed with her, she yet held true to her convictions, until John Daley told her she didn't have the support from his constituents. I cant think of any convictions Lightfoot have shown.

I think you need to read Lightfoot's positions. She is actually more moderate than Prekwinkle on most things. I voted for neither of them, but will vote for Lightfoot after reading more about her. We know Prekwinkle is being funded by CTU and SEIU and has come out in favor of rent control. She has done nothing at the County but raise taxes. Chicago does not need more of that.

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by skysoar

Problem is , Lightfoot would be more beholden to every fringe group in Chicago. That may be good for your reputation, but terrible for business. I want a city that works from downtown out, instead of outside in. Many people had a problem with Rahm style government, but with the exception of a few blaring mistakes, I didn't . I for one do not want to go back to the days of feudal ethnic warfare. If that becomes the order of the day I am gone. I just believe that Preckwinkle would be more insolated against that. Evidence is her pop-tax, though I disagreed with her, she yet held true to her convictions, until John Daley told her she didn't have the support from his constituents. I cant think of any convictions Lightfoot have shown.

I'm not understanding how you are coming to the conclusions that Preckwinkle would be more downtown-centric and would prevent all out "ethnic warfare"

[SIGSEGV]

Tribune now has precinct-level results:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...htmlstory.html

Daley was squeezed between white liberals who went for Lightfoot and city workers who went for Joyce.

[the urban politician]

Another unspoken advantage to a Lightfoot Mayorality would be how it would affect Chicago’s image. At least to some provincial coastal types Chicago is sort of a meat and potatoes city without much flair. Having elected a Lesbian black female Mayor would help change that image for the better. It would send the message that we are a much more open and progressive city than people realize.

I don’t think any major American city has ever had a gay black female mayor. This would be a first.