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Old Posted Dec 14, 2023, 7:19 AM
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For lots greater than 280 sq m within 400m of a bus stop with at least one route providing frequent transit service, then they can have up to six units, and they're not required to provide any parking.
Any idea what the FSR would be? The CoV plan for multi-plex would allow 1 FSR, so 6 units on a typical Vancouver lot (120 x 33) would average out to around 660 sq feet, which isn't a lot if you want family sized units. If they are allowing 60% lot coverage and 3 stories, I would imagine they would allow much more than 1 FSR.
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Any idea what the FSR would be? The CoV plan for multi-plex would allow 1 FSR, so 6 units on a typical Vancouver lot (120 x 33) would average out to around 660 sq feet, which isn't a lot if you want family sized units. If they are allowing 60% lot coverage and 3 stories, I would imagine they would allow much more than 1 FSR.
Even at 40% coverage, if they went for a stacked town format (2.5 stories above a sunken garden suite), that's 1.4 FSI. I believe the limiting factor is sewer capacity. I expect on a 33' lot, the mostly likely scenario will be front and rear-facing towns above a ground-floor suite, or 2 ground level towns with a stacked town above.
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Old Posted Dec 15, 2023, 4:12 AM
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The site standards in the Policy Manual turned out to be voluntary after all (based on the regulations that were ultimately tracked down) so FSRs will likely vary from muni to muni.
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The worst TOA probably has to be the Phibbs Exchange zoning when you look at the amount of highway and land that has already been rebuilt or is commercial/light industrial.

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President of Darwin Properties Jason Turcotte says the various pieces of legislation the Province has announced were "bold," but that the transit-oriented development legislation was the biggest miss.

"With not requiring municipalities to pre-zone, in my mind, all you've done now is guide some future planning work. By not mandating the pre-zone, you're basically going to be left with a situation where the municipalities that were already doing a good job of densifying around transit will continue to do so and those that aren't now have no greater impetus to do it better than before."

Under the legislation, Turcotte points out, municipal governments cannot reject development proposals in transit-oriented development areas on the basis of height or density, but they can still reject them on any other basis. Because the Province's legislation does not change the rezoning, there is still a lot of room for municipal governments to get around it and reject transit-oriented projects, if they want to.

"By not mandating what the density is, by way of a pre-zone, what you're saying now is 'Okay, municipalities, you have to allow someone to rezone a site next to transit for, let's say, 12 storeys and 4.0 FSR, but you can put any other obligation or condition that you want on that rezoning. It could mean that you provide 4.0 FSR of housing and half of it has to be non-market. Well, that's a non-viable development. [City's can say] that if you're not prepared to do that, then they have no obligation to approve it, or they could find some other reason. There's just no obligation. It's a really bold move on the surface, but it's actually toothless in changing the behaviour of municipalities that were not already doing a good job of it."

Ian Brackett, Senior Broker at Goodman Commercial, adds that the legislation also does not prescribe uses and tenures, such as whether housing has to be strata or rental, nor does it outline the definitions of affordability and below-market housing.

"That being said, other legislation introduced requires municipalities to more regularly update community plans and to pre-zone properties to conform with those community plans, so over time, the TOD framework will likely be reflected in actual changes to zoning laws," said Brackett.

Michael Geller, an adjunct professor at SFU and real estate consultant, has concerns that are more on the practical level. He's currently working on a project, as a consultant, that's planned for 27th Avenue and Cambie, and has been going back and forth with City staff over some fine details about the project. The staff have been "difficult," he says.

"Then along comes this provincial document that says this particular location warrants a building that's eight storeys, not six storeys, and a floor space ratio of up to 4.0, rather than 2.5," Geller says. "So here's a real practical dilemma for my clients. Do we continue as we have been and try to resolve the minor details of the building, or do we put down our tools, wait a year, and hope that we can get a significantly higher density? Now, that's an isolated situation, but it's going to be happening all over the province."

Geller says he thinks the team that put together the legislation did a good job of identifying the opportunities, and he commends their work, but he suspects that they did not sit down with municipal planners to figure out whether the physical services of those transit-oriented development areas can really support the higher level of development, not to mention other related aspects such as school capacity and community centres.

https://storeys.com/bc-transit-orien...opment-policy/
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Old Posted Dec 29, 2023, 12:17 AM
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Personally that article comes across as nitpicking bordering on bad faith criticism of the legislation. While they did not usurp zoning regulations completely. The requirement to pre-zone land based on demand in the OCP will most likely lead to that land being rezoned anyway. On the fact that some developers are considering putting existing developments on hold so they can get higher density well with such a big change there was there's no way of getting around some developments of being caught up in the changes. With respect to infrastructure these developments aren't going to all happen at the same time. Municipal planners will need to get plans for infrastructure upgrades together then go to the government and try to get addition funding to support them.

We are in a housing crisis and we needed widespread and radical changes. The province could not go through each municipalities planning department and make a plan for each of them. There are definitely going to be problems that come up due to the new regulations but are they worse problems than the status quo
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Old Posted Dec 29, 2023, 8:50 PM
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^Very much agreed. Between NIMBY bad-faith criticisms that this won't immediately solve the housing crisis to YIMBY criticisms that this doesn't eliminate municipal power or the field of development planning, it's frustrating that focus on the 20% of issues that remain vs the 80% of opportunities that now exist.

Just want to double-down also on my agreement regarding the pre-zoning that'll occur as part of the new OCP/zoning legislation anyway, and the non-issue that is some developers taking a pause to consider their options. I've heard the argument (including from commercial brokers and developers!) that this is bad legislation cause it actually slows housing production, by encouraging that waiting. Yeah - for one time, for a max of 8 months, as people get used to it and all cities fully incorporate the TOD changes into their plans, vs the decades of increased densities and faster processes it'll buy us in the future. A distressingly significant portion of people in the industry are still relying on hearsay to drive their perceptions of the changes - read the legislation!

I have concerns with some potential outcomes of the legislation too, but the status quo is untenable and this is a very big step in the right direction. Like bardak says, the Province can't plan every area for each city, but this general approach will do fine. We could've had even better planning and outcomes if municipalities used the last couple decades to embrace growth rather than cramming it onto arterials or industrial sites, but they didn't, and despite the inevitable challenges that will arise from implementing these changes on the ground, overall the benefits will far outweigh these. It's a big change, but people are smart and we can work through this.
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^Very much agreed. Between NIMBY bad-faith criticisms that this won't immediately solve the housing crisis to YIMBY criticisms that this doesn't eliminate municipal power or the field of development planning, it's frustrating that focus on the 20% of issues that remain vs the 80% of opportunities that now exist.
Well said. It turns out, the way to figure out which people actually wanted to solve the housing crisis vs. those pretending to be upset by it, but secretly totally fine with the status quo, was for someone to implement actual changes to start fixing things, and see who responded with a 'can-do' attitude and who responded with a "can't-do" attitude
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10 more cities will be added in the next month to increase their housing supply

https://biv.com/article/2024/01/bc-h...st-coming-soon
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Very interesting, thanks for sharing. I know they have a matrix/formula they use to choose the municipalities, but the first 10 were generally pretty obvious and intuitive as "places that are probably punching below their weight in producing housing". Even then some surprising ones, like Kamloops and Abbotsford. After these 10, I can't really think of any others that clearly stand out as needing targets to boost supply to. So yeah, very interesting.
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Very interesting, thanks for sharing. I know they have a matrix/formula they use to choose the municipalities, but the first 10 were generally pretty obvious and intuitive as "places that are probably punching below their weight in producing housing". Even then some surprising ones, like Kamloops and Abbotsford. After these 10, I can't really think of any others that clearly stand out as needing targets to boost supply to. So yeah, very interesting.
Here's the matrix

https://news.gov.bc.ca/files/Selecti...Indicators.pdf

And these are the cities that are up for addition (* are for chosen cities)

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• Abbotsford*
• Anmore (village)
• Belcarra (village)
• Burnaby
• Central Saanich (district)
• Chilliwack
• Colwood
• Coquitlam
• Delta*
• Duncan
• Esquimalt (township)
• Highlands (district)
• Kamloops*
• Kelowna
• Ladysmith (town)
• Lake Cowichan (town)
• Langford
• Lantzville (district)
• Langley
• Langley (township)
• Lions Bay (village)
• Maple Ridge
• Metchosin (district)
• Mission
• Nanaimo
• New Westminster
• North Cowichan (district)
• North Saanich (district)
• North Vancouver (city)
• North Vancouver (district)*
• Oak Bay (district)*
• Pitt Meadows
• Port Coquitlam
• Port Moody*
• Prince George
• Richmond
• Saanich (district)*
• Sidney (town)
• Sooke (district)
• Squamish (district)
• Surrey
• Vancouver*
• Victoria*
• View Royal (town)
• West Kelowna
• West Vancouver (district municipality)*
• White Rock*
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...g-naughty-list

If I had to guess I'll say 4-5 more Metro Vancouver and then a few random Okanagan/Vancouver Island cities to fill it in.
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I thought the reaction to that extended "eligibility list" when it first came out was pretty funny, generally from those offended their municipality was on it. The Province never said all of them will eventually be subject to housing targets and they literally just included all Metro Van and Victoria municipalities because, why not.
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I thought the reaction to that extended "eligibility list" when it first came out was pretty funny, generally from those offended their municipality was on it. The Province never said all of them will eventually be subject to housing targets and they literally just included all Metro Van and Victoria municipalities because, why not.
I wish it included more than just Metro Van and Vic - why should the rest of the province be let off the hook? Ok sure there are a few other places listed and yes Metro Van is where half of the population lives.
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Given the underbuilt, overstretched nature of BC’s current infrastructure and services, I’d strongly argue that public policy against decentralization would be preferable. They don’t have to live in the metros, just not Lytton or Tofino.
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Oak Bay grapples with mandate to add 664 new housing units by 2028

Vancouver Island community the smallest of 10 ordered to build housing under plan to fix B.C.'s housing crisis
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When are more specs coming out? Like FSR.
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When are more specs coming out? Like FSR.
I have a bad feeling that we already have all the specs. It's now on the cities to implement them in any way they feel satisfies the requirements.

If that means 6 units at 0.8 FSR then that might be what we get.
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Oak Bay grapples with mandate to add 664 new housing units by 2028

Vancouver Island community the smallest of 10 ordered to build housing under plan to fix B.C.'s housing crisis
Oak Bay is complaining a target that could be meet by a handful of modest lowrises and some infill multiplexes. The excuses for their low building rate in the article are entirely regulatory and bureaucratic. Their area beside UVic is well served by transit and could be easily rezoned for modest density to achieve their targets. If the Uvic bus loop was on the opposite side of campus it would have solved their problem for them.
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When are more specs coming out? Like FSR.
Everything is out, any changes will be new ones they haven't thought of yet as things play out in the years to come. The legislation leaves room for the Province to introduce much more prescriptive standards through regulation but I think they want to start with this for now and see how it goes before they decide whether to turn the screws further.

With regard to FSR specifically, they intentionally chose not to speak to it directly, and instead rely on lot coverage and height to guide floor space (some people have interpolated their 50% lot coverage and 3-storey height to equal a 1.5 FSR). This is explained on page 36 of the SSMUH Policy Manual (https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/ho...y_manual.pdf):

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In most single-family and duplex zones, the FAR is often kept low to maintain a similar size
of housing unit across neighbourhoods. To effectively implement SSMUH zoning, the
typical FAR of residential zones would have to be raised. However, FAR is not necessary to
regulate the maximum floor area in SSMUH zones. In combination with setbacks and
parking requirements, FAR limits can undermine the viability of creating new units of
housing on a lot. When combined with a limit on the number of units permitted on a given
site, creating a buildable area through setbacks and height regulations instead of
specifying FARs will provide greater flexibility to enable landowners and developers to
build SSMUH units of an appropriate size and intensity for the lot and local market. This is
the approach reflected in the accompanying Site Standards for all densities.
It's important to remember that the Policy Manual is non-binding policy advice, not any sort of actual requirement. The new legislation itself specifically says that the Policy Manual must be "considered" in updating bylaws to allow SSMUH, and of course it includes the "regulations must not unreasonably deter development" clause which some courts may have the pleasure of interpreting at some point in the future. Every municipality will develop its own zoning requirements for SSMUH and I'd be surprised if many went as ambitious as what the Province is suggesting with the Policy Manual, but I also think Housing Accelerator Fund conditions and the Supply Act housing targets could factor in too to encourage municipalities to open up some more.
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Looks like Delta is on track to have the first OCP post housing reforms. Staff have recommended that the OCP go to fist and second reading on the council meeting on the April 8th and a public hearing on April 22nd. Final adoption looks to be in the being of May.

https://letstalk.delta.ca/housingourfuture

Overall outside of the minor but expeted group of people that just don't want any change there has been very little resistance. The only real resistance I have seen is in Tsawwassen were there a small group that is against central Tsawwassen having a small number of towers up to 24 stories. The group however can't seem to actually get a consensus about what they actually are trying to achieve. Half of them are people that just want mid rises instead of towers and the other half is against any more development whatsoever. None of them are willing to come up with a compromise like low rises over a larger area to make up for the density lost to removing the towers.
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The province announced proposed changes to the Vancouver Charter.

The meat of the matter:

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The legislation requires Vancouver to adopt a city-wide official development plan (ODP), similar to an official community plan. This requirement will be phased in to reflect that Vancouver does not currently have a city-wide ODP. The legislation also establishes the same rules for public hearings as those set for other local governments. This will phase out one-off public hearings for rezonings for housing projects that are consistent with the official development plan. Instead, the emphasis will be on providing opportunities for people to be involved upfront in shaping their communities through the official development plan process.
https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2024MUNI0018-000505
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