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Old Posted Dec 22, 2023, 8:51 PM
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...its a pointless waste of money better spent on real transit priorities.
This argument is essentially: anything spent on climate change mitigation is a pointless waste of money better spent on other priorities.

But - we've gotta do something to mitigate the problems we're causing with the climate. Yes, it's gonna hurt. But it's got to be done.

We look back at the past with horror at some of the things our ancestors did. What will our descendants think of us?
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2023, 9:40 PM
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This argument is essentially: anything spent on climate change mitigation is a pointless waste of money better spent on other priorities.
If someone doesn't care about the environment or reducing emissions, that is their personal problem. Translink is representing popular public opinion by making these decisions. Regardless of that, the cost difference is reasonable.
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2023, 9:45 PM
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Don't waste your time trying to talk sense into VancouverOfTheFuture.
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2023, 2:04 AM
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I think what VotF meant to say it's you have to weight if the extra cost is worth the investment. Yes, reducing emission should be a priority but it has to done in transition. New technology is obviously going cost more since you have to invest in the infrastructure to support it, and it has to be able to scale in numbers since we are dealing with thousands of vehicles, thus reliability is also a considering factor. The last thing you want is to fall into a trap like Whistler did by going with hydrogen buses.

FWIW, I agree with the way Translink is handling this, slow and steady. They are switching to renewable diesel starting in STC before implementing it in other depots.
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2023, 2:18 AM
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cough cough

My only reservation about diesel is the black smoke the engines produce. It may lower the carbon monoxide level, but it contributes to smog. But it's the most practical solution,m I guess. (?)
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Cars for the first Mark V Skytrain have arrived at OMC2 in Burnaby.
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anyone know how they get those trains off the trucks? i assume they have some shed the trailer gets backed into with some overhead crane. always been curious how it works.
From Daily Hive:

First new generation SkyTrain cars arrive in Metro Vancouver
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/mark-v-s...rrival-translink-vancouver-december-2023

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Old Posted Dec 23, 2023, 3:43 PM
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First new generation SkyTrain cars arrive in Metro Vancouver
I wonder if those are some sort of standard lifting jigs or if they had to be custom fabricated...
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2023, 5:25 PM
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Translink considers lower emissions one of their "real priorities". What would you want to do with the extra money?
TransLink has tons of priorities that can use money, funding, etc.

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I don't know what the absolute dollar figure is, but the June 2023 Mayors Council meeting had a presentation from TransLink staff where they said renewable diesel has a 2-7% cost premium per litre. But it apparently also comes with reduced maintenance, so maybe it's a wash?

TransLink does have a requirement to reduce its emissions, and renewable diesel gets them a big chunk of the way there. 65-85% reduction in GHG emissions is nothing to sneeze at.
if its a wash, then thats great. if it isnt, then its a waste at this point. im tired of everyone always being "yup, we can totally fix climate change in Vancouver!" we waste our money, we handicap ourselves, all to save a minuscule amount of GHG while China just goes pedal to the metal on coal fired power plants.

shooting orselves in the foot will totally save the world! lets all just cuddle up and wrap ourselves in the big world blanket!

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This argument is essentially: anything spent on climate change mitigation is a pointless waste of money better spent on other priorities.

But - we've gotta do something to mitigate the problems we're causing with the climate. Yes, it's gonna hurt. But it's got to be done.

We look back at the past with horror at some of the things our ancestors did. What will our descendants think of us?
see and there is the crux. "we gotta do something." actually, what we have to do is stop allowing the real GHG contributors from screwing the rest of us over. there is absolutely nothing that we can do in Vancouver that will have any impact, whatsoever, at any time now, or in the future, that will do anything to even mitigate climate change for 1 second.

that is a fact. we dont, and never have, polluted enough for us to ever matter. all we do is shoot ourselves in the foot, and put all the burden on us for something that does absolutely nothing for anyone. its idiotic. we need to focus on the real impacts that can actually make a real different.

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If someone doesn't care about the environment or reducing emissions, that is their personal problem. Translink is representing popular public opinion by making these decisions. Regardless of that, the cost difference is reasonable.
yeah, popular public opinion that leads to us just hampering our abilities on other priorities, while not even doing anything to mitigate climate change for 1 second. thats what annoys the crap out of me. is we do all this pointless random crap that does nothing, and will do nothing. and it is detrimental to us.

but nahh, i guess we should all just keep pretending we can do anything to make ourselves feel better; thatll stop it!

until the world actually gets it act together, and goes after the real polluters (which hasnt at all happened) then nothing will change. and its laughable people think it will.
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I wonder if those are some sort of standard lifting jigs or if they had to be custom fabricated...
The Canada Line cars seemed to have a custom jig supplied by Hyundai Rotem

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The same jigs were used in 2018 and probably earlier. They probably have similar dimensions so it's pretty easy to reuse.

https://buzzer.translink.ca/2018/09/new-skytrain-cars-are-on-their-way-to-vancouver/
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TransLink has tons of priorities that can use money, funding, etc.
Yes and they picked low emissions as one of the things to spend some money on. I asked you which you would prefer and you have nothing of value to say.
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I always thought that was more a Mayors' Council directive than a staff goal. I'm going off memory so I could be wrong, but I thought there was a Mayors' Council meeting where staff presented different low/no-emission vehicle scenarios to them with a recommendation for a middle-of-the-road approach, but the Mayors' Council actually voted for a more aggressive approach that put a great priority on low/no-emission vehicles.
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I always thought that was more a Mayors' Council directive than a staff goal. I'm going off memory so I could be wrong, but I thought there was a Mayors' Council meeting where staff presented different low/no-emission vehicle scenarios to them with a recommendation for a middle-of-the-road approach, but the Mayors' Council actually voted for a more aggressive approach that put a great priority on low/no-emission vehicles.
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The broad outline of TransLink’s original Low Carbon Fleet Strategy (LCFS) plan has not changed, however, there has been a change in the sequencing of depots where battery-electric buses are deployed and cost assumption updates based on new information. This re-sequencing does not alter continuing with the aggressive electrification plan endorsed by TransLink’s Board of Directors and Mayors’ Council. The update also continues to realize the greenhouse gas (GHG) reductions supported by the aggressive electrification pathway.
https://www.translink.ca/-/media/transli...et_transition_plan_update_2021_01_18.pdf

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https://www.translink.ca/-/media/transli...bon_fleet_transition_plan_2020_02_24.pdf
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Old Posted Dec 25, 2023, 12:33 AM
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Yes and they picked low emissions as one of the things to spend some money on. I asked you which you would prefer and you have nothing of value to say.
i would prefer anything that isnt pointless. but people would rather pretend they are doing something, while doing nothing but wasting money. sounds about right for Vancouver/BC/Canada. tokenism is our thing.
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^^ Maybe Translink invested in a renewable diesel company and is secretly making a handsome return to reinvest into transit.
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Old Posted Dec 25, 2023, 3:54 AM
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^^ Maybe Translink invested in a renewable diesel company and is secretly making a handsome return to reinvest into transit.
thatd be great! nothing wrong with doing that. but we know thats not true.
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interesting Skytrain related story out of Detroit/Toronto >>

Why Detroit wants to buy Toronto's now-defunct Scarborough RT trains for $1 million

Detroit is negotiating an agreement with the TTC to purchase 10 to 12 of its since-decommissioned Scarborough RT trains, plus other equipment and assets, for $1 million.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys25we1rsKc


https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/detroit-looki...-trains-and-equipment-from-ttc-1.6693444
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interesting Skytrain related story out of Detroit/Toronto >>

Why Detroit wants to buy Toronto's now-defunct Scarborough RT trains for $1 million

Detroit is negotiating an agreement with the TTC to purchase 10 to 12 of its since-decommissioned Scarborough RT trains, plus other equipment and assets, for $1 million.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys25we1rsKc

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/detroit-looki...-trains-and-equipment-from-ttc-1.6693444
Good that they aren't being trashed.
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Old Posted Dec 25, 2023, 6:39 AM
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wonder if they would want to buy some of ours, or if they're too used.
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i would prefer anything that isnt pointless. but people would rather pretend they are doing something, while doing nothing but wasting money. sounds about right for Vancouver/BC/Canada. tokenism is our thing.
Another non-answer. Do you see why nobody is taking you seriously?

I appreciate zero emission vehicles from a local air quality perspective.
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