Calgary International Airport III - Page 7

hollywoodcory · #**121** Posted **Dec 14, 2023, 6:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

And here's the non-US international for S24 too:

LHR - 1x daily WS / 1x daily AC
FRA - 12x weekly 4Y / 2x weekly DE
AMS - 1x daily KL
CDG - 1x daily WS
NRT - 1x daily WS
PVR - 1x daily WS / 1x weekly F8
FCO - 6x weekly WS
CUN - 6x weekly WS
BCN - 4x weekly WS
EDI - 4x weekly WS
KEF - 4x weekly WS
ZRH - 3x weekly WK
SJD - 3x weekly WS
VRA - 1x weekly WS (Until June 29)
PUJ - 1x weekly WS (Until June 29)

MBJ & LIR both have scheduled flights until the end of May

Time to update this I guess:

LHR - 1x daily WS / 1x daily AC
FRA - 12x weekly 4Y / 2x weekly DE
AMS - 1x daily KL
CDG - 1x daily WS
NRT - 1x daily WS
PVR - 1x daily WS / 1x weekly F8
FCO - 1x daily WS
CUN - 6x weekly WS
DUB - 5x weekly WS
BCN - 4x weekly WS
EDI - 4x weekly WS
KEF - 4x weekly WS
ZRH - 3x weekly WK
ICN - 3x weekly WS
SJD - 3x weekly WS
VRA - 1x weekly WS (Until June 29)
PUJ - 1x weekly WS (Until June 29)

Zmonkey · #**122** Posted **Dec 14, 2023, 6:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

Time to update this I guess:

LHR - 1x daily WS / 1x daily AC
FRA - 12x weekly 4Y / 2x weekly DE
AMS - 1x daily KL
CDG - 1x daily WS
NRT - 1x daily WS
PVR - 1x daily WS / 1x weekly F8
FCO - 1x daily WS
CUN - 6x weekly WS
BCN - 4x weekly WS
EDI - 4x weekly WS
KEF - 4x weekly WS
ZRH - 3x weekly WK
ICN - 3x weekly WS
SJD - 3x weekly WS
VRA - 1x weekly WS (Until June 29)
PUJ - 1x weekly WS (Until June 29)

I get Mexico City didn't work last time, but if KEF, ICN, work wouldn't Mexico City work now with the connection build up in Calgary?

That seems to be something can easily fit into their sched.

YYCFlier · #**123** Posted **Dec 14, 2023, 7:04 PM**

@cory - YYC-DUB is still flying too and missing from your list (guessing 3x weekly?)

hollywoodcory · #**124** Posted **Dec 14, 2023, 7:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by YYCFlier

@cory - YYC-DUB is still flying too and missing from your list (guessing 3x weekly?)

It's 5x weekly. Realizing I deleted it when I copied and pasted it.

Tobuz · #**125** Posted **Dec 14, 2023, 8:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zmonkey

I get Mexico City didn't work last time, but if KEF, ICN, work wouldn't Mexico City work now with the connection build up in Calgary?

That seems to be something can easily fit into their sched.

Agreed!

Beyond being a major destination city in and of itself, MEX is also a huge LatAm hub. Today most destinations in Mexico and LatAm (other than a handful of beach resort airports) are only accessible from YYC on either UA or AA. But their limited frequencies into IAH and DFW make some those connections infeasible.

MEX would be a massive addition to YYC -- and hugely helpful for both leisure and business travellers. (And, yes, if we can make places like KEF and ICN work out of Calgary it sure seems like we could make MEX work for WS or AM.)

ace.yyc · #**126** Posted **Dec 14, 2023, 9:42 PM**

MEX yields from Calgary are just trash, simple as that. There's a reason it keeps coming and going...

hollywoodcory · #**127** Posted **Dec 14, 2023, 11:21 PM**

Also the Mexican government is cutting back on MEX slots and they would have to use the new NLU airport.

WS next Mexican destination is likely the new Tulum airport.

hehehe · #**128** Posted **Dec 14, 2023, 11:53 PM**

I got a promo email from WS about Seoul and I'm a bit surprised. 44x weekly seems like a lot no?

msmariner · #**129** Posted **Dec 14, 2023, 11:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory

Also the Mexican government is cutting back on MEX slots and they would have to use the new NLU airport.

WS next Mexican destination is likely the new Tulum airport.

I see AC added Tulum from YYZ & YUL. Definitely could see WS adding it from YYC. I’d rather fly into there when staying in Playa del Carmen or points south.

ace.yyc · #**130** Posted **Dec 15, 2023, 12:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by hehehe

I got a promo email from WS about Seoul and I'm a bit surprised. 44x weekly seems like a lot no?

It's 3 flights a week.

hehehe · #**131** Posted **Dec 15, 2023, 1:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by ace.yyc

It's 3 flights a week.

Right, I meant the overall schedule (I worded that horribly). 44x weekly overall on 7 planes seems quite ambitious (to me at least)

Zmonkey · #**132** Posted **Dec 15, 2023, 2:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by hehehe

Right, I meant the overall schedule. 44x weekly overall on 7 planes seems quite ambitious (to me at least)

Its 3 more than S23, correct?

Tobuz · #**133** Posted **Dec 15, 2023, 3:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by ace.yyc

MEX yields from Calgary are just trash, simple as that. There's a reason it keeps coming and going...

Admittedly it’s based on personal experience and not data … but demand on the YYC-MEX route sure seemed pretty high when I flew it on both WS and AM. Always full or nearly full flights, with a mix of O+D and connecting passengers at both ends.

High demand, zero competition… it seems that “yield” should then come down to a factor of how an airline chooses to price the route. It seems like yield - if it’s broken - is fixable.

And it’s worth noting that YVR-MEX (similar market, same costs, almost identical route characteristics) can support multiple flights per day on two carriers — with pretty reasonable fares.

hehehe · #**134** Posted **Dec 15, 2023, 6:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by Zmonkey

Its 3 more than S23, correct?

I believe 4 more? Last summer it was daily LGW/LHR/CDG and 5x weekly FCO/DUB and 3x weekly NRT/BCN/EDI (for 40x weekly). And this summer will be 44x weekly (daily LHR/CDG/FCO/NRT and 5x weekly DUB and 4x weekly BCN/EDI and 3x weekly ICN).

hehehe · #**135** Posted **Dec 15, 2023, 7:22 AM**

Also looks like WS is axing YLL

https://www.mylloydminsternow.com/62...-link-service/

thenoflyzone · #**136** Posted **Dec 15, 2023, 8:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by Tobuz

(And, yes, if we can make places like KEF and ICN work out of Calgary it sure seems like we could make MEX work for WS or AM.)

You're getting ahead of yourself. KEF and ICN haven't even started yet, so calling them a success is a bit premature. (not saying they won't be, just stating a fact)

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Originally Posted by Tobuz

Admittedly it’s based on personal experience and not data … but demand on the YYC-MEX route sure seemed pretty high when I flew it on both WS and AM. Always full or nearly full flights, with a mix of O+D and connecting passengers at both ends.

High demand, zero competition… it seems that “yield” should then come down to a factor of how an airline chooses to price the route. It seems like yield - if it’s broken - is fixable.

And it’s worth noting that YVR-MEX (similar market, same costs, almost identical route characteristics) can support multiple flights per day on two carriers — with pretty reasonable fares.

You have it the other way around. Filling a plane is easy. Extracting good yield is hard.

YVR-MEX and YYC-MEX are definately not similar markets. AM will be 4x daily on YVR-MEX in peak winter this year, and they couldn't even make 1x daily work to YYC.

msmariner · #**137** Posted **Dec 15, 2023, 1:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

You're getting ahead of yourself. KEF and ICN haven't even started yet, so calling them a success is a bit premature. (not saying they won't be, just stating a fact)

You have it the other way around. Filling a plane is easy. Extracting good yield is hard.

YVR-MEX and YYC-MEX are definately not similar markets. AM will be 4x daily on YVR-MEX in peak winter this year, and they couldn't even make 1x daily work to YYC.

It’s interesting that AM has up to 4 daily YVR-MEX flights (plus AC). Vancouver’s Latin population is only slightly larger than Calgary’s or Edmonton’s and much smaller than their combined. Unless there are other factors ie. both YYC/MEX airport runways altitude load restrictions; maybe a much wealthier population in BC? AM wanting to consolidate all their flights to YVR? IMO, End of the day it would be hard for WS to get any slots into MEX since the government is restricting new entrants and sending them to the new airport in Mexico City. It’s up to AM I believe to start up MEX-YYC, since they would have extra slots there.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lati...ican_Canadians

MalcolmTucker · #**138** Posted **Dec 15, 2023, 4:05 PM**

When visa restrictions were reintroduced, and you can’t support all the frequencies to YVR, YEG and YYC anymore, what do you do? Consolidating into a single base makes sense, and politically you can ‘punish’ the Prime Minister at the time by withdrawing from ‘his’ city.

Canuckian · #**139** Posted **Dec 15, 2023, 6:23 PM**

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hollywoodcory · #**140** Posted **Dec 15, 2023, 7:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zmonkey

Its 3 more than S23, correct?

If you factored in the YYZ turns it was 47x weekly in S23. But yeah only 40x intercontinental flying.

I'm guessing the YYZ turn gets axed all together, leaving it at just 44x weekly for S24.

Here's a breakdown:
LHR/CDG/FCO/NRT are everyday, so that's 4 right there.

Sun: EDI/DUB (6)
Mon: EDI/DUB (6)
Tue: BCN/DUB (6)
Wed: EDI (5)
Thu: BCN/DUB (6)
Fri: BCN/EDI/ICN (7)
Sat: BCN/DUB (6)

Friday is the only ops days we know for ICN, as they didn't specifically state what days its flying. I'm guessing Wednesday is one of them, and probably Sunday (similar to NRT last year).

Would mean 2 days a week all 7 aircraft would be required. So doable, but a pretty tight schedule.