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Old Posted Apr 3, 2022, 12:42 PM
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Again, they promised a hospital within 5 years. Four years later, all they've managed to do is pick the worst possible site, and now that's on pause to re-evaluate because, surprise surprise, no one liked the worst possible site.

Took 5-10 years before Harper gave the Civic Experimental Farm Land across the street, but the Feds/NCC did a pretty quick job of changing gears to Tunney's, and then Dow's Lake a year later.

Analysis should already be done for all sites. Based on that, they should be able to just pick the best site on transit.
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Location choice reversed

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Not exactly reversed, but reconsidered.
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Not exactly reversed, but reconsidered.
Yes until after the election. Or I wonder if the whole project gets killed. I am sure someone is livid in the premier's office as this was meant to be a lynchpin of their West Quebec strategy and instead it is a distraction.
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Fear that the Wakefield Hospital may be closed with the arrival of Gatineau's new mega-hospital.

The CAQ, well every Québec Political Party really, are pretty great at miss-managing healthcare, so I could see them close the only functional hospital in the region.

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Des craintes pour les soins de santé dans la MRC des Collines-de-l'Outaouais

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Le Droit, 15 avril




Un comité de vigie a été mis sur pied l’automne dernier dans l’espoir de maintenir et de développer de nouveaux services de santé sur le territoire de la Municipalité régionale de comté (MRC) des Collines-de-l’Outaouais, où bien des gens craignent de voir l’Hôpital Mémorial de Wakefield s’éteindre à petit feu avec l’arrivée éventuelle du Centre hospitalier affilié universitaire (CHAU).

Marcel Chartrand, qui a été membre du conseil d’administration du défunt Centre de santé et de services sociaux des Collines, fait partie du comité de vigie qui regroupe notamment des citoyens et des professionnels de la santé préoccupés par ce que l’avenir réserve au réseau dans ce coin de l’Outaouais. Selon lui, la réforme mise en place en 2015 par l’ancien ministre de la Santé, le libéral Gaétan Barrette, a eu un «impact considérable» dans le territoire des Collines-de-l’Outaouais.

«On a perdu beaucoup de ressources de proximité, déplore M. Chartrand. Il y a eu plusieurs suppressions de postes, et on a fermé complètement la cuisine, tout est centralisé. […] Les repas sont préparés à Gatineau et ils arrivent froids. Ce n’est pas correct. Tout ce qui est archivé aussi a été centralisé.»

M. Chartrand souligne également qu’il n’y a eu aucun développement du côté de l’urgence de l’Hôpital Mémorial de Wakefield, qui ne dispose pas d’un plateau technique équivalent à ce qui existe dans d’autres hôpitaux ruraux. «Ce n’est pas très avantageux pour les médecins qui cherchent une place où pratiquer», soulève-t-il.

Gouvernance locale

Le comité de vigie dénonce l’absence de gouvernance locale, puisque «toutes les décisions sont prises à Gatineau».

L’automne dernier, le Centre intégré de santé et de services sociaux de l’Outaouais (CISSSO) a voulu se faire rassurant dans le cadre d’une rencontre d’information avec des citoyens des Collines-de-l’Outaouais préoccupés par l’avenir des soins de santé sur le territoire où ils demeurent. Mais les inquiétudes persistent, entre autres parce que le plan clinique du CISSSO indique que la fermeture des lits d’hospitalisation à Wakefield «doit être envisagée». Ce plan évoque aussi la possibilité d’y transférer 35 lits de réadaptation gériatrique. Le CISSSO avait indiqué que cela faisait «partie des réflexions», mais qu’aucune décision n’avait encore été prise à ce sujet.

Le comité de vigie garde toutefois une «crainte» que l’arrivée du CHAU et de ses 600 lits signe l’arrêt de mort de l’Hôpital Mémorial de Wakefield. Marcel Chartrand estime qu’il est illogique que plusieurs lits de l’hôpital servent actuellement pour des patients en attente d’une place en hébergement de longue durée. Il déplore aussi qu’aucun projet de maison des aînés n’ait encore été prévu pour le territoire des Collines-de-l’Outaouais et que les services de soutien à domicile ne soient pas suffisants pour répondre aux besoins.

Décentralisation

En ce qui concerne le projet de décentralisation récemment présenté par le ministre de la Santé, Christian Dubé, le comité de vigie juge qu’il reste bien des détails à connaître pour savoir s’il sera bénéfique ou non pour les territoires périphériques. «Ça veut dire quoi, la décentralisation des services ? Ramener des services de proximité ?, se demande M. Chartrand. […] La seule chose qu’on a gagnée, c’est une infirmière [au CLSC] à Chelsea.»

Marcel Chartrand a fait savoir qu’une rencontre est prévue le mois prochain pour que le comité de vigie puisse présenter ses inquiétudes et ses revendications au CISSSO.
https://www.ledroit.com/2022/04/15/d...54e91dcc66006f
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Apparently the CAQ is favouring the Centre Asticou for the new hospital now...

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Le gouvernement de la CAQ voudrait construire le futur centre hospitalier universitaire en Outaouais à l'emplacement actuel du Centre Asticou.

Cette rumeur a fait bondir la Coalition pour un Centre Hospitalier Accessible et Durable en Outaouais, qui s'oppose à ce terrain.

La CCHADO estime qu'un site sur le boulevard de la Cité-des-Jeunes ne serait guère mieux que le site dans le secteur des Hautes-Plaines, proposé il y a quelques semaines.

La coalition reproche au gouvernement de ne toujours pas prendre en considération les recommandations des acteurs du milieu pour un hôpital au centre-ville.

Après la discussion qu'il y a eu à Québec, il n'y a pas de suivi. Ça fuite dans les médias que ça va être au Centre Asticou. C'est absolument inacceptable. Ça n'a aucun sens qu'on ne soit pas capable de s'entendre. C'est comme si on nous disait « OK, on va lâcher le site du boulevard de la Technologie [dans les Hautes-Plaines], on va se rapprocher un peu et on va aller au Centre Asticou ». Ce n'est pas suffisant et on ne vas pas l'accepter.

Stephan Psenak, directeur général de la Chambre de commerce de Gatineau

Rappelons que la région est sans nouvelles concernant le site du futur centre hospitalier depuis la fin avril.

https://www.fm1047.ca/nouvelles/poli...o-en-desaccord
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/info/vid...ital-outaouais
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No better than Hautes-Plaines.
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No better than Hautes-Plaines.
Complain too much about details and it might end up on life-support like the REM de l'est. I think it might be at that point already as post election the motivation to get this confirmed might drop. Two years from now we might be in austerity mode as budgets return to red with rising interest rates.
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No better than Hautes-Plaines.
It's a thousand times better than Hautes-Plaines. Easy arterial access to all of Aylmer/Hull, geographically central to all of Aylmer/Hull.
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It's a thousand times better than Hautes-Plaines. Easy arterial access to all of Aylmer/Hull, geographically central to all of Aylmer/Hull.
True but... I don't drive through that area often but when I do happen to go through there at rush hour, it's a giant parking lot. They're going to need some dedicated lanes or something for emergencies, etc.
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Asticou is so close to the Hull hospital.

If anyone has taken a trip down St. Raymond near Cité-des-Jeunes, it certainly looks like they are establishing this a health care node.
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Asticou is so close to the Hull hospital.

If anyone has taken a trip down St. Raymond near Cité-des-Jeunes, it certainly looks like they are establishing this a health care node.
I thought the new hospital was completely replacing that relic. They are planning on keeping both?
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Old Posted May 30, 2022, 10:11 PM
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I thought the new hospital was completely replacing that relic. They are planning on keeping both?
Hull hospital was built in the 30's.

It easily has another 400 years left in it.

Legault told me so.
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Someone remind me again why the Guertin Arena site is a no go? To me that is a no-brainer decision. Easy access from the entire region via the main arteries that are already there.

At the end of the day, I'll go where I have to, but there has to be some logic put into the equation doesn't there?
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Someone remind me again why the Guertin Arena site is a no go? To me that is a no-brainer decision. Easy access from the entire region via the main arteries that are already there.

At the end of the day, I'll go where I have to, but there has to be some logic put into the equation doesn't there?
I think they said the site was too small. (I could be wrong)
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Fingers crossed that the NCC will respond soon to the CAQa party "F*** NO!!""

Unless the routing of the ream system is re-evaluated, this is a no go. Heck, because of Gatineau Park and the proximity to the existing Hull hospital, this should be a no-go. If they don't want a downtown hospital for a GOOD reason, then there are other options along Aylmer tramway route
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Announcement coming soon. Sounds like Belisle knows where it will be and seems to have a pretty positive tone around the chosen site. Not getting my hopes up though.

https://www.ledroit.com/2022/06/22/f...245f7fd2a82cb4
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Better. If they can integrate the RapiBus station and build a pedestrian bridge or two to Saint-Joseph, this could be pretty great site. Could help push the conversion of the bus way to rail.
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Too bad, would have been a great time to finally blow up Louis St. Laurent building once and for all, instead of beloved Top Karting!
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Yes, tons of expropriations to come. That's the most surprising thing about this.

Though I do think the project will probably move in phases with the initial one being the main hospital building at the south end of the site.

That won't involve expropriations of private businesses I don't think as the two plots of land are the police station (a glorified strip mall, architecturally) and the Gatineau municipal yard for that part of the city.

I expect the growth of the campus will move progressively northward from there over several years.

So Top Karting may be safe for a while.
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