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Old Posted Apr 4, 2024, 1:22 PM
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On a slightly different topic (and I know they're not electric), but has anyone noticed that mopeds (or vespas), those motorized scooters, are way more common in Gatineau than in Ottawa?

Maybe I'm not looking but it seems like I never see them in Ottawa, whereas in Gatineau they're all over the place as soon as the snow melts.
In Quebec, you can get a moped license at 14 years (plus have a class 6B license). Ontario it's 16 (LSM class license).
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In Quebec, you can get a moped license at 14 years (plus have a class 6B license). Ontario it's 16 (LSM class license).
Thanks for the info. It makes sense then that in Ontario it's not really worth it for kids yearning for greater mobility to get a moped when they're close to being able to drive a car.
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Old Posted Apr 27, 2024, 1:58 PM
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Sobriety tests, longer hours: E-scooters are back, but the rules have changed
Province will decide once season wraps about future of pilot project

Alex Dines · CBC News
Posted: Apr 27, 2024 4:00 AM EDT | Last Updated: 6 hours ago


E-scooters are back on Ottawa streets for 2024, but with some new rules and regulations.

This year marks the fifth and final year of a pilot project first set up by the province in 2020. The city has selected two scooter providers who've operated in previous years — Bird Canada Inc., and Neuron Mobility.

The plan is to have a fleet of 900 e-scooters that can be used in and around an area bordered by St. Laurent Boulevard in the east, Rideau River/Carling Avenue in the south, Churchill Avenue in the west and the Ottawa River in the north.

The fleet could expand to 1,200 if it's needed, the city says.

Here are some of the new — and old — rules you need to follow if you want to use one of the e-scooters.

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Old Posted Apr 28, 2024, 6:36 AM
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I’ve probably said this at least twice already in this thread, but it’s worth repeating… this city loves to take solutions that are very practical and convenient, and douse them with rules and red tape that make them no longer a “solution”.
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Old Posted Apr 29, 2024, 11:24 AM
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How much $ to use those scooters?
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Old Posted Apr 29, 2024, 1:39 PM
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How much $ to use those scooters?
$1.15 + 42 cents a minute. Not sure what current rates are in other cities but that is much much more expensive than my experience in other cities. Trying to link to the LRT for a commute from 10 minutes away becomes prohibitively expensive. As if wearing a helmet and the other hurdles like very restricted parking rules didn't already make it inconvenient for that purpose anyway.
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Old Posted Apr 29, 2024, 4:46 PM
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$1.15 + 42 cents a minute. Not sure what current rates are in other cities but that is much much more expensive than my experience in other cities. Trying to link to the LRT for a commute from 10 minutes away becomes prohibitively expensive. As if wearing a helmet and the other hurdles like very restricted parking rules didn't already make it inconvenient for that purpose anyway.
The apps also offer passes that would probably mean significant savings for frequent use. For e.g. Neuron has a pass for $2.99/month that eliminates the $1.15 per ride fee and gives a 20% discount on the per-minute fee.
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What's the reasoning behind the NCC's intransigence about using their precious facilities for scooting?
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What's the reasoning behind the NCC's intransigence about using their precious facilities for scooting?
My guess(es)...

1) Safety, can't trust e-scooters limited to 20km/h on the MUPs (meanwhile downright suicidal drivers doing 25+ km/h over the limit on the pitch black un-lit NCC parkways, mere metres away from MUP users, are totally fine).

2) Because of some silly concern around the "corporatization" of public amenities like NCC mups by e-scooter companies.
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My guess(es)...

1) Safety, can't trust e-scooters limited to 20km/h on the MUPs (meanwhile downright suicidal drivers doing 25+ km/h over the limit on the pitch black un-lit NCC parkways, mere metres away from MUP users, are totally fine).
Or downright suicidal cyclists under the mistaken belief that they are on "bike paths".

I see no difference, as a pedestrian, in the safety risk profile of scooters vs. MAMILS. None.

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2) Because of some silly concern around the "corporatization" of public amenities like NCC mups by e-scooter companies.
How would that be any more "corporatizing" than someone jogging along a MUP in a branded tanktop?
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The whole thing is insane. You can't travel through a geofence area, and you can't turn your scoot off once you've entered a geofence area. Of which there are dozens of highly-focused geofence areas, and the scoots have terrible geo-location leading to constant phantom death due to geofence landmines.

To get from Trainyards to Parliament, one needs to:
1. Get on a scooter at Trainyards, pay the startup fee.
2. Scoot to Hurdman, but not on the bike paths. Take your life in your hands on Industrial from Alta-Vista to Riverside. Abandon scoot near the corner there, where allowed. There's a mile of unscootable geofence between Hurdman and downtown.
3. Walk through Hurdman Station (FROM RIVERSIDE, NO LESS), and across Lees Bridge (about 10 minutes).
4. Find a similar pile of abandoned scooters outside Lees Bridge footpath, in the weeds beside a fence, people whos scoots died crossing the Lees bridge over the Rideau. You can be outside the geofence for a 10sq.ft. area to turn off your scooter. Pay the startup fee again.
5. Scoot on down to the Petoria Bridge thru Lees, quite pleasant. Abandon Scoot at the bike paths again, because the geofence isn't very accurate and bike paths are plentiful there, it's a land-mine of dead scoots.
6. Find pile of abandoned scoots at foot of Elgin from similar frustrated scootees, pay initiation fee.
7. Scoot on down Elgin, avoid Laurier (no-no, geofence landmines) and avoid Sparks (death to scoots!). Avoid even touching a curb zone, also a landmine for dead scoots.
8. Arrive at Parliament, Realize Uber would have taken 1/8th the time and less cost. No place to turn off scooter because of land mine geofence issue, especially on Wellington. Scoot back down to Queen, turn off scoot in the middle of the road to avoid the sidewalk, and then drag the scooter to the curb. Sigh.

Bikers and those with private scooters can make it downtown from Trainyards along the O-Train bike path in about 10-15 minutes. Public rental scooters require about 45 minutes and $20. If I had to do this every day, I'd just buy a scooter for $500 and break the law every day. Its not as though anybody is watching anyways.
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2024, 5:07 PM
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Wait, they geofence the city LRT MUP? Aren't scooters speed-limited at 20kmh? Why?
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I wish the service area was expanded to include everything inside the greenbelt.

Personally, I would love to take a different transportation method to visit downtown in the spring/summer/fall. Currently I need to take a bus from my home (Carlingwood) to Tunney's and then the LRT to downtown.

I don't like the bus and avoid it - almost - at all costs, therefore I mostly drive downtown on evenings/weekends. If I had the opportunity to use e-scooters from my home to Tunney's and then hop on the train, I'd be much more enticed to do so throughout these seasons.
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Old Posted May 1, 2024, 1:11 PM
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Wait, they geofence the city LRT MUP? Aren't scooters speed-limited at 20kmh? Why?
AND Bird has the ability to geofence the scoot to go slow (like 10km/hr instead of 20km/hr) yet it's a NO RIDE zone all around hurdman except for what seems to be within the goddam station which is a go slow zone...

Here is the interactive map. Note that if you happen to cross the 'no ride road/path' red lines, even at a perpendicular path of travel, you hit a 'land mine' and the scoot will beep and shut off for a frustrating length of time, until you can physically drag it far enough away to turn back on. You also get pinged in the app and warned.

And you can see on the Lees bridge, the river to the south is 'out of bounds' and its marked right up to the bridge, so good luck trying to cross the bridge., or travel along the north bank of the Rideau River along the 'out of bounds' line. And even if you did manage to get thru Lees towards Petoria, there's about 5 solid lines of 'No Ride' (Colonel By, the bike paths, Queen E and the sidewalks) to get across Petoria bridge. So your scoot would shut right down and need to be dragged across, and they're pretty heavy. And you're still paying the per minute fee.

If you manage to scoot up Elgin without tripping the dozen or so individual goddam properties listed as 'no-ride' zones, god help you if you try to go anywhere near Sparks, Parliament, City Hall, uOttawa, or the Market. You'll be stuck in large areas that you can't park in, and you'll pay by the minute till you can get the scooter to think it's outside of a no-ride zone before you can log out. Try to get away from Parliament by going down OConnor? BOOM hit the sparks exclusion which hair-pullingly extends in a continuous line down sparks, across all the cross streets.

And did I mention that when you fire up a scooter in the App, it's not obvious where to find the exclusion map, and so all of this turning off and on is apparently RANDOM if you didn't have prior knowledge. So a tourist would be IMMEDIATELY frustrated, hitting random landmines with scooters turning off and on.

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Old Posted May 1, 2024, 11:24 PM
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2024, 11:56 PM
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‘End the havoc’: Another major city has banned e-scooter rentals from its streets

Maggie Hiufu Wong, CNN
Updated 12:29 PM EDT, Thu August 15, 2024


CNN - When it comes to wheels, it’s hard to deny that rented e-scooters are among the most divisive modes of transportation in the world right now.

The micromobility machines have become a common sight on major city streets around the globe in recent years, often praised for being an efficient and sustainable way for people to get around.

But their presence has also raised cries for tighter controls, thanks to an increase in accidents and complaints that they’re causing chaos on sidewalks and streets.

Officials in the Australian city of Melbourne have decided to take things even further by banning electric scooter rentals altogether, citing safety concerns following hundreds of complaints and accident reports as the reason for the move.

On Tuesday, Melbourne’s city council voted to end contracts with its two e-scooter operators, Lime and Neuron, giving them 30 days’ notice to remove their vehicles.


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E-scooters return to Ottawa roads for the summer: Here’s what you need to know

By Josh Pringle, CTV News
Published: May 15, 2025 at 7:28AM EDT


E-scooters began rolling out on Ottawa’s roads Thursday morning, kicking off another summer of the e-scooter rental program across the city.

Bird Canada deployed e-scooters for rent at several locations in Ottawa, one day after council enacted the bylaw to begin the shared e-scooter program for 2025.

Earlier this spring, council approved a five-year extension to allow electric scooters to be used on Ottawa roads, and to continue offering e-scooters for rent through partnerships with Bird Canada and Neuron Mobility.

Under the e-scooter program, e-scooters will be available in the deployment area bounded by St. Laurent Boulevard in the east, Rideau River/Carling Avenue in the south, Churchill Avenue in the west and the Ottawa River in the north. Staff have recommended expanding the deployment zone “incrementally” this year.

Here is what you need to know about the e-scooters in Ottawa:
  • E-scooters will be available for rent 24 hours a day, with some restrictions (such as the ByWard Market)
  • Riders must be 16 years of age
  • Operating speed limit is 20 kilometres per hour
  • For riders under the age of 18, a helmet is required to ride the e-scooter
  • Each scooter is only allowed a single rider at one time
  • E-scooters are not permitted to operate on a sidewalk

Last year almost 55,000 unique riders used the e-scooters in Ottawa, taking approximately 252,000 rides. The city saw an average of 1,200 trips a day on the vehicles. The busiest day was Canada Day, with approximately 3,600 trips on the e-scooters.

Electric scooters are not allowed on National Capital Commission pathways along the Ottawa River and Rideau Canal.

According to the NCC’s website, electric power-assisted cargo bicycles for commercial use and electric kick-style scooters are prohibited on the Capital Pathway and pathways.

E-bikes with operable pedals are permitted on NCC pathways.

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Old Posted May 16, 2025, 11:40 AM
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"E-scooters return to Ottawa roads for the summer: Here’s what you need to know..."
and not a word about the price.
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Bird vs Neuron: What's it like riding e-scooters in Ottawa?
Lynn Saxberg's first e-scooter ride was a comedy of obstacles, including a robot voice telling her to get off the sidewalk — when she wasn't even on the sidewalk.

By Lynn Saxberg, Ottawa Citizen
Published Sep 19, 2025 | Last updated 4 hours ago | 6 minute read


I rode motorcycles long enough to know not to brake if you hit gravel.

This advice holds up when you’re riding an electric scooter, I learned while trying to make my way from Bayview Station to Lansdowne Park on one of those rental e-scooters that flit around the city during the non-winter months.

The ominous patch of gravel that appeared directly in front of me while I was riding through the Glebe wasn’t big, but I was already a little rattled from the rough ride and sweaty from having had to push the darn thing when I inadvertently went out of the allowable zone.

I took a deep breath and held on to the handlebars, resisting the urge to brake, accelerate, put a foot down or let go of my grip. I made it over the gravel, then dodged a backhoe, swerved around a pothole, zipped over a speed hump and yelled at the robotic voice telling me I’m not supposed to ride on the sidewalk. (For the record, I was not riding on the sidewalk.)

My first ride on an e-scooter was a comedy of obstacles that wasn’t cheap (about $20) and took too long (45 minutes). Even though I had prepared in advance by installing the apps for both companies that operate in Ottawa (Neuron Mobility and Bird Canada), watching the how-to videos and planning my route, I missed a crucial piece of information: Carling Avenue is out of bounds.

These no-go zones make it extremely challenging to travel to a specific destination if you’re on a tight schedule and don’t want to deal with excess traffic. I was leery of riding at rush hour and knew I couldn’t ride on a National Capital Commission bike path, so I thought I’d cruise up the Trillium pathway (a city of Ottawa path) and along Queen Elizabeth Driveway, where the speed limit for cars is just 40 km/h.

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Coroner's office calls for clearer definition of e-bikes in Ontario
Recommendations come in the wake of deaths on Ottawa-area roads

Trevor Pritchard · CBC News
Posted: Nov 27, 2025 4:00 AM EST | Last Updated: 6 hours ago


An expert panel is calling on the Ontario government to tighten its definition of what counts as an e-bike, in an attempt to improve safety and reduce the number of fatal crashes.

That recommendation is one of seven found in a review of e-bike deaths that was prepared by Ontario's office of the chief coroner and other stakeholders and released this week to the public.

It emerged from work that began in 2021 by the Ottawa Fatal Collision Review Committee, a local group made up of police, public health officials, city staff and other experts.

That year, the committee noticed there had been five recent local deaths involving e-bike riders:
  • A man in his 60s who'd been hit by a car while turning at an intersection.
  • A man in his 50s who lost control of his e-bike, jumped the curb and struck a light standard.
  • A man in his 50s who was riding in a bike lane when he was hit by a car turning into a parking lot.
  • A man in his 50s who crashed after swerving to avoid a pedestrian.
  • A man in his 30s who ran into the back of an SUV.

The report noted certain similarities in all the crashes, including that all the e-bikes appeared to have been modified "to increase their speed beyond design specifications."

Each e-bike was more akin to a motorcycle or moped and could not "be used as a pedal-assisted bicycle," the report said.

As well, three men had suspended licences at the time of their deaths, while the other two had previous suspensions, leading the report's authors to suggest they were using e-bikes as "a substitute for a registered, licensed vehicle."

Four of the five also had drugs in their system when they died.

"We noticed all those things, and we said, 'Wait a minute, this is really concerning from a safety [perspective],'" said Dr. Louise McNaughton-Filion, regional supervising coroner for eastern Ontario.

Under the current rules in Ontario, e-bikes cannot travel faster than 32 km/h, nor can they be modified to go faster than that.

They can weigh up to 120 kilograms, however. The revised definition put forward in the report would more than halve that, cutting the maximum weight to just 55 kilograms.

The report also urges Ontario's Ministry of Transportation (MTO) to consider a separate classification for larger, motorcycle-style e-bikes, and potentially require their users to have a licence and insurance. (Currently, e-bike users do not need to be licensed.)

It also calls for agencies to be more thorough and consistent when it comes to collecting and tracking statistics on e-bike injuries and fatalities.

"If you are able to say that any vehicle .... that looks like a motorcycle or looks like a scooter is treated like a motorcycle or a scooter, that should resolve some of the problems," McNaughton-Filion said.

Despite the concerns, McNaughton-Filion says e-bikes have clear benefits, from reducing pollution to improving mobility.

"You've got people who have heart conditions, lung conditions, knee replacements — they can now ... enjoy being active," she said. "The issue is making sure that people are also safe."

While the report was publicly released this week, McNaughton-Filion said the MTO and other agencies have been reviewing the recommendations.

CBC reached out to the MTO for comment but did not hear back by deadline.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ario-9.6993435
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