601 Beach Crescent | 166m | 56 Fl | Proposed - Page 7

dleung · #**121** Posted **Oct 13, 2018, 6:05 PM**

The curves on Vancouver House had function and meaning. The ones on this pile doesn't.

VanCan604 · #**122** Posted **Oct 24, 2018, 11:07 PM**

Does anyone know when the Enhanced Review will take place?

General Policy For Higher Buildings:
https://guidelines.vancouver.ca/H005_2018Feb13.pdf

* An enhanced review for buildings with a proposed height of 550’ or more as well as for the Granville Bridge Gateway buildings (~ 425’), Georgia Gateway (two tallest towers on the waterside of Pacific only) and the land mark building in axial alignment with the Burrard Bridge (~ 500’) will include two international design experts joining the panel in addition to the two local experts. There will be special public engagement, such as a public forum or guest lecture, should be held featuring the guest panel members and experts to expand public discussion and education around architectural excellence and green design in Vancouver.

whatnext · #**123** Posted **Oct 25, 2018, 5:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by dleung

The curves on Vancouver House had function and meaning. The ones on this pile doesn't.

What did you expect? As an architect surely you understand they're just trying to piggyback on the buzz of Vancouver House's design at minimal cost. As to function, what's the function of the twist in Trump Tower? None, it's a design gimmick to achieve maximum price per sq/ft.

Changing City · #**124** Posted **Oct 25, 2018, 5:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

What did you expect? As an architect surely you understand they're just trying to piggyback on the buzz of Vancouver House's design at minimal cost. As to function, what's the function of the twist in Trump Tower? None, it's a design gimmick to achieve maximum price per sq/ft.

Well, not really. In the case of Trump Tower, the twist was to move the upper part of the tower out of the viewcone. "The proposed tower is described as having a triangular form, truncated at the corners to provide balconies, which rises from a base that is oriented to Georgia Street and then gradually twists as it rises, turning 45 degrees from Georgia Street at the uppermost level where its south-facing façade falls along the view cone boundary and is oriented to the north. The tower form is a hyperbolic paraboloid structure which responds to the street grid at grade and the view protection guideline above." [2005 Report to Council]

Other undulating towers like the Aquilini rental by Rogers Arena, or Concord's One Pacific are a design feature (or gimmick, if you prefer).

whatnext · #**125** Posted **Oct 25, 2018, 7:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Changing City

Well, not really. In the case of Trump Tower, the twist was to move the upper part of the tower out of the viewcone. "The proposed tower is described as having a triangular form, truncated at the corners to provide balconies, which rises from a base that is oriented to Georgia Street and then gradually twists as it rises, turning 45 degrees from Georgia Street at the uppermost level where its south-facing façade falls along the view cone boundary and is oriented to the north. The tower form is a hyperbolic paraboloid structure which responds to the street grid at grade and the view protection guideline above." [2005 Report to Council]

Other undulating towers like the Aquilini rental by Rogers Arena, or Concord's One Pacific are a design feature (or gimmick, if you prefer).

Point taken, though TT could have avoided the viewcones with a more prosaic design.

officedweller · #**126** Posted **Oct 25, 2018, 9:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

Point taken, though TT could have avoided the viewcones with a more prosaic design.

The original design for the then Ritz Carlton was a triangular vase-like tower atop a rectangular base.
It didn't satisfy the higher buildings review.
A forummer, maybe Phesto?, took this model pic of the old Ritz Carlton proposal.
You can see the same view cone line preserved by the Shangri-La.

LeftCoaster · #**127** Posted **Oct 26, 2018, 9:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

Point taken, though TT could have avoided the viewcones with a more prosaic design.

Well that sounds dreadfully boring.

Erickson's design at Trump is everything contextual architecture should be, it's not "just a gimmick to increase sales".

dleung · #**128** Posted **Oct 30, 2018, 2:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

What did you expect? As an architect surely you understand they're just trying to piggyback on the buzz of Vancouver House's design at minimal cost. As to function, what's the function of the twist in Trump Tower? None, it's a design gimmick to achieve maximum price per sq/ft.

I actually agree with all this. Wish Bjarke Ingels can sue them for watering down the impact of Vancouver House with a cheap imitation across the street. And the viewcones for Trump Tower are clearly a post-rationalization.

The original ritz carlton proposal might actually be approved by today's lower-standards UDP

osirisboy · #**129** Posted **Oct 30, 2018, 3:50 AM**

How is this a water down version of Vancouver house? Looks totally different

Spr0ckets · #**130** Posted **Oct 30, 2018, 4:43 AM**

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Originally Posted by dleung

I actually agree with all this. Wish Bjarke Ingels can sue them for watering down the impact of Vancouver House with a cheap imitation across the street. And the viewcones for Trump Tower are clearly a post-rationalization.
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How would this work exactly?
Suing another project or a neighbouring development for making yours look worse or "watered down"????
I'd love to see that court case.

Also what architectural project or design isn't a post-rationalization of sorts on some level or another of a core concept being made to fit a pre-set and pre-determined set of criteria and conditions after the fact?

officedweller · #**131** Posted **Oct 30, 2018, 8:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by dleung

And the viewcones for Trump Tower are clearly a post-rationalization.

Nope - it was in the DPB application (which also had a completely different podium layout)

Vin · #**132** Posted **Oct 30, 2018, 6:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by city guy

its looking junky in my opinion, full of meaningless curvy lines...and those faceted rounded balconies will look extremely tacky

it will be an embarrassing gateway building into our downtown

why don't they actually design facades that might use environmental performance and aspect as criteria (like solar shading bride soleils)

hearing the news its definitely time to start solving environmental issues and the city should insist that a gateway building like this is an exemplar of state of the art technology instead of a third-rate dumb-ol' graphic nothing piece of crap

Not really meaningless. The major curves jive with the Vancouver House. UDP should just approve and get it built. This design is way nicer than the mediocre Stock Exchange building, the upcoming 1133 Melville stacked tower, as well as the super ugly art gallery. The only thing embarrassing is to have this design watered down, as is often the case in this city.

https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applic...renderings.pdf

ranvancan · #**133** Posted **Oct 30, 2018, 8:27 PM**

I agree 100% with VIN. Just get it done and don't water it down. For Vancouver approvals, this will SUFFICE. Vancouver is notoriously 'boring' and reserved in it's designs, with some exceptions, not many, and with it's view cones, this tends to directly affect the crowns and designs.

officedweller · #**134** Posted **Oct 30, 2018, 11:38 PM**

I think it has the potential to look good.
Canada House at OV uses the same "fish scale" layout of rectangular window panes.

LeftCoaster · #**135** Posted **Oct 30, 2018, 11:53 PM**

It will all come down to materials with this one. Inital open house window wall was the material, it now appears to be more curtain wall and higher quality cladding materials. If that is the case it will turn out well, but if they dumb down the materials it will be a regrettable building.

dleung · #**136** Posted **Oct 31, 2018, 1:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by Spr0ckets

How would this work exactly?
Suing another project or a neighbouring development for making yours look worse or "watered down"????
I'd love to see that court case.

Also what architectural project or design isn't a post-rationalization of sorts on some level or another of a core concept being made to fit a pre-set and pre-determined set of criteria and conditions after the fact?

Lol maybe something along the lines of copyright infringement

Of course the ratio of form:function as a driver is a sliding scale rather than black and white. Trump tower is clearly more form-driven since the twist is uniform from top to bottom and the floorplate didn't shrink as it hit the viewcone, and no one would have known it had anything to do with viewcones if the design brief didn't say so. The viaduct separation is obvious with Vancouver house.

rofina · #**137** Posted **Oct 31, 2018, 6:03 PM**

I still don't get all the emotions surrounding this one. Its a nice enough tower, especially now after the redesign.

trofirhen · #**138** Posted **Oct 31, 2018, 6:23 PM**

For me, these two towers have a vaguely "yin" and "yang" aspect to them. Vancouver house with its bold horizontal windows the aggressive "yang," 601, the more passive "yin."

Dimswitch · #**139** Posted **Nov 1, 2018, 11:40 PM**

I think they look fantabulous!

Feathered Friend · #**140** Posted **Nov 20, 2018, 9:32 PM**

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Nov. 26 open house set for ‘Granville Gateway’ 54-storey tower proposal
Building envisioned for north end of bridge at 601 Beach Crescent across from Vancouver House

Courier staff / Vancouver Courier
NOVEMBER 20, 2018 12:51 PM

Mark Nov. 26 on your calendar if you want to inspect plans for a 54-storey high rise envisioned for 601 Beach Crescent at the north end of Granville Bridge across from Westbank’s 49-storey Vancouver House ‘twisty tower’ that’s nearing completion.

An open house for the Beach Crescent rezoning application is planned on that date. Pinnacle International and GBL Architects are involved in the project...

The open house runs from 5 to 8 p.m. in the Executive Hotel’s Portofino Room at 1379 Howe St., Nov. 26.

https://www.vancourier.com/real-esta...medium=twitter