1780 E Broadway | 144m, 125m, 122m | 44fl, 38fl, 37fl | Proposed

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

There's a ton of SFHs within a stone's throw of this major transit hub. That's "significantly underdeveloped" if I've ever heard it. The whole area should be the density of the Cambie area, with consolidation of blocks of SFHs.

I agree - but there's already potential to develop apartments around the station in single-family areas to Cambie Corridor type densities as a result of the Grandview Plan. I was referencing low-hanging single site opportunities, which don't exist there. Developers are already building higher density projects than in the past, but seem to be picking up mostly arterial locations. Site assembly may be more difficult in an area that some owners don't want to sell, and prices developers can sell at aren't as high as some other areas in the city.

[Jimbo604]

Originally Posted by Changing City

It's not surprising that they're getting pushback from a community where many residents were really unhappy with significant change.

Listen to local nimbys or actually take action on housing crisis, that is the dilemma for mayor and council.

[seamusmcduff]

Sad that they consider this a dilemma.

Also the argument that this will decrease home values makes no sense. If developers think there's a possibility their home could redevelop in the future, it will increase the value of their home. Development happening nearby makes that more likely. This isn't the 1960s where having "those" people move in nearby craters your home value.

[GenWhy?]

Well I mean... what is it.. 8% of the rentals are not at market rate?

[FarmerHaight]

Originally Posted by seamusmcduff

Also the argument that this will decrease home values makes no sense. If developers think there's a possibility their home could redevelop in the future, it will increase the value of their home. Development happening nearby makes that more likely. This isn't the 1960s where having "those" people move in nearby craters your home value.

Although the value of your home may increase, you could argue it makes it less marketable. A $1m home may triple in value because the lot is rezoned (this is what has happened along Cambie), but the pool of potential buyers shrinks from 100s of families looking for a SFH to a few select property developers who are interested in paying big bucks to compile properties and build a large-scale development.

I think people bring up property values as a red herring. Even if my home value falls, do I really care unless I plan on selling soon? Home owners are saving for their retirements, they aren't day traders.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Jimbo604

Listen to local nimbys or actually take action on housing crisis, that is the dilemma for mayor and council.

I could be wrong, but I'm sure this mayor and council have not been involved yet.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Well I mean... what is it.. 8% of the rentals are not at market rate?

If the project gets scaled back and towers become shorter, I hope the cutback will come from the affordable housing component. That would be so much karma, as these fools don't understand that the market component pays for the entire project to go up in the first place.

Personally, I wouldn't really want to live here. The location may be great for transit but the area around the station gets constantly featured on news as a location of something crazy and violent going down.

[officedweller]

It could be scaled back if the economics no longer work.

[Jimbo604]

Reminds me of this picture of some developments by Brentwood mall. Some relatively new lower density stuff (4 storey) and then new high rise under construction in background.

Locals wouldn't accept high density at the time so they built lower density. Now it is time for higher density and they are now what are they going to do with this newer low density stuff?

Moral: shoulda pushed through and built the right stuff in the first place instead of listening too much with local nimbies and then ending up with a difficult to solve problem of "we need more residences but now the space is occupied by newer build lower density". Same as being discussed here at NOSAFEWAYMEGATOWERS

[Jimbo604]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

I could be wrong, but I'm sure this mayor and council have not been involved yet.

True true.. though it may come to them eventually for approval, I'm assuming the current stage is the developer has not yet submitted a plan for the city/Development Permit board to approve. ? So this is waiting on the developer?

[GenWhy?]

Well if it gets scaled back it might just get scaled back to what the Plan had in it originally. I think they're asking for an increase of over a dozen storeys from what is laid out in the Plan.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Jimbo604

True true.. though it may come to them eventually for approval, I'm assuming the current stage is the developer has not yet submitted a plan for the city/Development Permit board to approve. ? So this is waiting on the developer?

Their Rezoning By-Law Conditions Letter was probably a foot thick and they're still going through that with Staff before they bring it before a Public Hearing to have all the Conditions be made into law.

[Vin]

Just a bunch of people who can't keep up with the times crying foul. I bet most of these NIMBYs are not even home owners, but renters afraid of being displaced as the world moves along. Commercial area can't seem to develop over the decades, enabling houses to decay and thus only able to attract low-wage workers, welfare recipients, and those who refuse to work to live in the neighbourhood. I bet these are the loudest NIMBYs. Other than the loaded fat cat NIMBYs of Shaughnessy and the Vancouver Westside, this city is full of people such as these at Commercial.

[GenWhy?]

Vin, you're correct. Renters are very upset and anxious about gentrification, displacement, high rents, and renovictions. I don't know the numbers on this 3-tower proposal, but one would think they can maybe do better than 8% of the rental units being below-market.

[SpongeG]

poppola or poopla down the street towards Nanaimo has had all the houses on the site demolished and the land is cleared. Finally starting to see some changes.

Also I find it strange that quite a number of developments are going to go up on East 1st between Victoria and Nanaimo, it's not that close to Skytrain. The houses are still standing but some are fenced off behind signage.

There are also in the last month or so Land Assembly signs in front of a number of houses on Grandview Highway between Rupert and Renfrew for development potntial. But the signs have been vandalized and spray painted in the last two weeks. People must not be happy lol.

Also the two projects on east 22 and Renfrew are both topped out, and slowly getting done, have been meaning to take some pics, they really fit the area well.

[Feathered Friend]

Revised Application (November 2, 2021)

To rezone the site from C-3A (Commercial) to CD-1 (Comprehensive Development). The proposal is to allow for a mixed-use development with three residential towers, ranging in height from 24 to 29 storeys above a retail plinth, at a density of 5.70 FSR. This proposal includes:

• 438 secured rental units, including 93 units at below-market rates, and 215 strata residential units
• A floor area of 55,989 sq. m. (602,662 sq. ft.)
• Commercial retail space at grade including a large format grocery store
• Office and commercial/fitness spaces within the podium levels
• 1,858 sq. m (20,000 sq. ft.) public plaza running parallel to the SkyTrain station
• 446 vehicle parking spaces and 1,390 bicycle spaces

This is a revised application from a previous proposal submitted on September 2, 2020. Key changes from the previous version include:

• Reduction of building height by one-storey on each of the residential towers
• Reduction to the overall proposed density (FSR)
• Increased area for the public plaza
• Increase to the number of proposed below-market units
• Refinements to the overall massing and form of development

https://shapeyourcity.ca/1780-e-broadway

As rumored, here's the revised application. Another round of public feedback starts on Nov 15th and ends on Dec 5th, though it's hard to imagine this will satisfy those most opposed.

[Diegotheartist1]

One thing I would love for this rezoning of Safeway, is the building to be connected with Broadway Station, specifically connecting with platform 5, so people working and/or living in this area can board trains easily.

[GenWhy?]

Well-ity fuck-ity well-ity they've gone from a selfish 8% below-market to 21%. Who da thunk it.

[WarrenC12]

I read they got rid of the childcare space as well? What a poor decision.

[GenWhy?]

Ya I don't see it in the drawings anymore. I imagine they'll just be paying out the CAC instead.

Below-market units go from I think 36 to 93. Also the Utility DCL waiver for secured rental ended this September so they may now have to pay an additional $3.4 million to the City.

To be honest I have no idea if they were seeking a DCL waiver for the rental in the 1st place. And who knows how many millions they need to fork out for infrastructure upgrades in the area.