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Old Posted Oct 7, 2014, 5:54 PM
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Prince of Wales Bridge

I like the first idea here (garden over the thames) as a possibility for prince of wales bridge.
http://www.dezeen.com/2014/10/06/13-...-architecture/
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2014, 6:14 PM
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I like the first idea here (garden over the thames) as a possibility for prince of wales bridge.
http://www.dezeen.com/2014/10/06/13-...-architecture/
A garden of trains, yes.
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Old Posted Oct 8, 2014, 5:11 PM
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NCC plans access to 'hidden treasure' of Bronson Pulp Mill ruins, Richmond Landing

Robert Sibley, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: October 8, 2014, Last Updated: October 8, 2014 11:57 AM EDT


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Bronson Pulp Mill Ruins Public Access and Richmond Landing Shoreline Access Plan, October 7, 2014

A wobbly wrought iron staircase, weed-encrusted rock formations, and the finest panorama of the Ottawa River you could want — such are what the NCC will work with to develop one of the national capital’s “hidden treasures.”

More than 100 people turned out Tuesday for a public consultation on the National Capital Commission’s plans to increase public access — pedestrian and cyclist — to the shorelines and islands the Bronson Pulp Mill ruins and the Richmond Landing area.

Starting from the Mill St. Brew Pub on Wellington Street, most joined NCC staff on a tour of the project sites on Richmond Landing, Victoria Island and Amelia Island. They encountered everything from the glossy Royal Canadian Navy Monument at Richmond Landing to the rusty remnants of abandoned machinery — including an ornate spiral staircase — at Ottawa Hydro’s No. 2 generating station on Amelia Island.

Judging by responses to the tour, the project — intended to be finished in time for the 150th anniversary of Confederation in 2017 — will likely prove popular, provided it is done well.

“I always bring friends who visit to Richmond Landing. The view is incredible,” said Sheila Laidlaw, who, as it happens, is a descendant of Henry Bronson, the 19th-century lumber baron who built a sawmill on the Ottawa River below Chaudière Falls and helped turn a muddy backwater village into a capital city.

“This area is one of Ottawa’s best-kept secrets, so I hope they keep it as natural as possible,” she added. “We don’t want Coney Island.”

Others echoed the sentiment.

“It’s good to see them wanting to doing something with this area,” said Rosemarie Kelland, who along with husband Geoff joined one of the hour-long tours. “They need to showcase the history of these places. It’s been hidden for so many years.”

That, indeed, is the intention. Describing the area as one of the national capital’s “hidden treasures,” NCC officials said they want to provide universally accessible routes from the Wellington-Portage intersection to the Bronson Pulp Mill ruins on Victoria Island below Chaudière Falls and from the Ottawa shoreline to Richmond Landing, where visitors have a widescreen view down the Ottawa River to the spires of the Parliament Buildings and Notre Dame Cathedral.

It’s possible new bridges could connect Richmond Landing, Victoria Island, Amelia Island, the site of a Hydro Ottawa generating station — the oldest electrical generating station in Canada, as it happens.

According to the NCC, the project would highlight the aboriginal and natural heritage of the islands, recognize the military presence in the region and showcase the manufacturing and power generation industries that helped spur Ottawa’s development. The idea, officials said, is to create a site of “national significance.”

In the 19th century, lumber from the Ottawa Valley provided timber for the Royal Navy. The pulp mills that followed provided newsprint for most of the country.

When Henry Bronson died in 1889, his son Erskine Henry continued to manage the company until 1900, when the Great Fire destroyed their Chaudière sawmill. Erskine gave up lumbering altogether and built a pulp mill. The former pulp mill is now the location of the Energy Ottawa Building. Next to it, the former Thompson-Perkins Mill is now the site of The Mill St. Brew Pub.

Improving public access to the Ottawa River shorelines is one of the NCC’s main strategic objectives. Earlier this year, it issued a call for proposals that would “animate” the river’s shorelines.

In September, chief executive Mark Kristmanson, in a report to the NCC board, said construction should begin in 2016 with completion by the summer of 2017, the year of Canada’s sesquicentennial.

That prospect pleased Sheila Laidlaw. “My granddad (a descendant of Henry Franklin Bronson) would have been happy about this. He really loved Ottawa.”

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I hate that intersection so much.
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Old Posted Oct 8, 2014, 7:13 PM
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I know this won't happen because everyone is so against developing anything but seeing the picture above makes me imagine a large cobble-stoned boardwalk on both side of the "Bronson Chanel" with condos, restaurants, bars, retail stores and offices on both sides. We need to do things with our waterfronts in Ottawa, such a shame we don't utilize them (see rideau canal which is only surrounded by green space).

Even repurposing some of the old mills and factories to lofts and such would make it a cool and exciting area... Alas, one can only dream
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I hate that intersection so much.
Me too! The morning rush hour is horrendous there. Not sure how it is a night (I avoid it); but I'd assume it's about the same.

I feel like they should throw a giant traffic circle there, not unlike the one in Paris (Place Charles de Gaulle).
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Old Posted Oct 8, 2014, 7:34 PM
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I know this won't happen because everyone is so against developing anything but seeing the picture above makes me imagine a large cobble-stoned boardwalk on both side of the "Bronson Chanel" with condos, restaurants, bars, retail stores and offices on both sides. We need to do things with our waterfronts in Ottawa, such a shame we don't utilize them (see rideau canal which is only surrounded by green space).

Even repurposing some of the old mills and factories to lofts and such would make it a cool and exciting area... Alas, one can only dream
This area would probably look great with that kind of development. The problem might be getting people there when what are basically 2 highways run right by and across it.
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This area would probably look great with that kind of development. The problem might be getting people there when what are basically 2 highways run right by and across it.
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Me too! The morning rush hour is horrendous there. Not sure how it is a night (I avoid it); but I'd assume it's about the same.

I feel like they should throw a giant traffic circle there, not unlike the one in Paris (Place Charles de Gaulle).
Exactly my thoughts. I'm no traffic expert but that idea seems to be the best solution for this intersection.
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I know this won't happen because everyone is so against developing anything but seeing the picture above makes me imagine a large cobble-stoned boardwalk on both side of the "Bronson Chanel" with condos, restaurants, bars, retail stores and offices on both sides. We need to do things with our waterfronts in Ottawa, such a shame we don't utilize them (see rideau canal which is only surrounded by green space).

Even repurposing some of the old mills and factories to lofts and such would make it a cool and exciting area... Alas, one can only dream
I'm positive... This will happen.
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Some developer needs to submit a proposal for this:

http://www.citylab.com/design/2014/1...-sorry/381112/


The middle could be anything from a market like they have to restaurant patios, shops, you name it.

Orient it east-west so it is out of the sun in the hot middle of the day, but you get the sun shinning in during the early evening.
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I hate that intersection so much.
It has become much improved in the last couple of years with the addition of bike lanes and pedestrian cross-walks.
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2014, 6:04 PM
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To all the folks who are hoping the Sens will build a new arena at Lebreton Flats, this today from Cyril Leader, president of the Ottawa Senators: “We can’t move the arena. The arena can only be in one location,” Leeder said while admitting that for some the trip out to Kanata isn’t ideal.

Considering the team is making some modest improvements to the CTC this year, and that owner Eugene Melnyk is reportedly losing up to $10 million a year on the team, it is highly improbable that the team is going to build a new arena anywhere anytime soon.

Read more: Senators work to put the fans first
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2014, 6:13 PM
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To all the folks who are hoping the Sens will build a new arena at Lebreton Flats, this today from Cyril Leader, president of the Ottawa Senators: “We can’t move the arena. The arena can only be in one location,” Leeder said while admitting that for some the trip out to Kanata isn’t ideal.

Considering the team is making some modest improvements to the CTC this year, and that owner Eugene Melnyk is reportedly losing up to $10 million a year on the team, it is highly improbable that the team is going to build a new arena anywhere anytime soon.

Read more: Senators work to put the fans first
Judging by their actions the past little while it's been clear to me that the Sens are well aware their location sucks. They have been trying to do what they realistically can about that - improving things like transit, and traffic flow in their parking lots. Basically trying to make it closer by reducing travel time.

As for the arena, I can't see it being fully replaced for at least a couple decades - even assuming they stopped making improvements on it. Much longer with continued incremental upgrades and improvements. Well maintained buildings last a very long time.
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2014, 6:17 PM
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To all the folks who are hoping the Sens will build a new arena at Lebreton Flats, this today from Cyril Leader, president of the Ottawa Senators: “We can’t move the arena. The arena can only be in one location,” Leeder said while admitting that for some the trip out to Kanata isn’t ideal.

Considering the team is making some modest improvements to the CTC this year, and that owner Eugene Melnyk is reportedly losing up to $10 million a year on the team, it is highly improbable that the team is going to build a new arena anywhere anytime soon.

Read more: Senators work to put the fans first
Ever since they changed the scoreboard a few years back they have been doing a really great job improving the rest of the venue. The concourses are nice, seating is fine, restaurants are more modern now. The actual in-game experience is good to great. It's the getting there and leaving part that no one likes. If the exact arena was anywhere inside the greenbelt it would be wonderful. Even if CTC was at centrum beside restaurants and a bus station it would be a different experience in my opinion.
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At this point, the best we can do is reserve land downtown-ish for a new arena whenever that comes. My worry is that with redevelopment of many sites now in full swing there will be no easy spot for one left in the core when the CTC finally does hit the end of its life in 20-30 years.
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At this point, the best we can do is reserve land downtown-ish for a new arena whenever that comes. My worry is that with redevelopment of many sites now in full swing there will be no easy spot for one left in the core when the CTC finally does hit the end of its life in 20-30 years.
True, finding land for a new arena won't get any easier with time, though they managed to do it in Toronto (for the Rogers Centre and Air Canada Centre), and Montreal's Bell Centre (and I think in other cities like Vancouver as well) -- all of which are located in the heart of these cities. When Ottawa "grows up" we too will have a centrally located arena. Unfortunately that will be years, likely decades, away.

(Hint: Another area that might become available for future develpment inside the greenbelt is the Experimental Farm. The lands adjacent to Carling Ave. could probably be the first up for grabs.)
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2014, 7:10 PM
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True, finding land for a new arena won't get any easier with time, though they managed to do it in Toronto (for the Rogers Centre and Air Canada Centre), and Montreal's Bell Centre (and I think in other cities like Vancouver as well) -- all of which are located in the heart of these cities. When Ottawa "grows up" we too will have a centrally located arena. Unfortunately that will be years, likely decades, away.

(Hint: Another area that might become available for future develpment inside the greenbelt is the Experimental Farm. The lands adjacent to Carling Ave. could probably be the first up for grabs.)
I suspect in 20 or 30 years there will be sites available that we can't even imagine now. For instance with growth in online shopping I would not be surprised if some grade B shopping malls close in the future as the buildings get outdated and maybe are not worth updating...
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TConsidering the team is making some modest improvements to the CTC this year, and that owner Eugene Melnyk is reportedly losing up to $10 million a year on the team, it is highly improbable that the team is going to build a new arena anywhere anytime soon.

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I don't really buy that $10 million (nor does Forbes). The only way you get to that is by doing some fancy accounting between the arena and the team and including big debt payments that have nothing to do with the team (he bought it out of bankruptcy, so all debts were extinguished).

The more important questions are where he is going to get the money to put into a new facility, given his decline in fortunes and the fact that he has already leveraged the team for other purposes, and whether it makes economic sense to invest in a downtown arena when he currently controls all revenue streams relating to the team, including parking and restaurants, on the exisiting site.
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There will be a ton of sites available! Vancouver's Rogers Areana is crammed into a spot right downtown that no one even thought was big enough for a stadium but it fits in perfectly! I still can't believe that ottawa built the stadium out in kanata. It's like ottawa thinks that a stadium needs acres of surface parking lots or something?
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