Attractions and events you'd like to see in Vancouver...a wish list - Page 7

EastVanMark · #**121** Posted **Oct 30, 2019, 10:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

At what venue? Empire Stadium? BC Place replaced that venue. I would like to see something there, and did attend Empire Field when it was a temporary replacement for the Lions and Whitecaps.

But... a large outdoor facility is probably not financially viable in Vancouver.

Yes, at Empire Stadium. If you want proof, I'm sure some photographic evidence can be found online.

BC Place is not located on the PNE grounds when last I checked.(although it almost did end up there, but that's another story for another time).

The shows I refer to were/are designed specifically for fair goers, not a stand alone concert.
Those shows are a literal impossibility today. Possible in 1977, but not today. Let that sink in for a bit.

WarrenC12 · #**122** Posted **Oct 30, 2019, 10:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by EastVanMark

Actually, no that is not a fact. The Fairs declining numbers started EXACTLY the year it was cut in half. You are 100% wrong if you think otherwise.

No, no. Don't need to go to restaurants. Can accomplish the same cooking at home (and its cheaper). We need to follow the logic of "I can get it somewhere else," then we have to do it all the way. No cutting corners and choosing one or the other.

I know malls are suffering, but again, under the logic of "you can see/get it somewhere else" they must all close down immediately. Again, can't be kinda pregnant.

Same with Fairs, you can pretty much see/do anything you can there someplace else. So why bother? Why Because people still go to them. And as long as there's entities wanting to come display/sell their goods and services there we should be able to accommodate them. No amount of Vancouver style "can't do" logic changes that

You're the one turning this into a black and white discussion, not sure why. It's a more "traditional" form of entertainment that is not as popular as it once was... why is that so hard to come to grips with?

The PNE had the best attendance in 5 years in 2019. I guess it's all good then, right?

But really, that's probably due to a stretch of good weather. The fact is that PNE attendance has been generally trending down for years.

WarrenC12 · #**123** Posted **Oct 30, 2019, 10:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by EastVanMark

Yes, at Empire Stadium. If you want proof, I'm sure some photographic evidence can be found online.

BC Place is not located on the PNE grounds when last I checked.(although it almost did end up there, but that's another story for another time).

The shows I refer to were/are designed specifically for fair goers, not a stand alone concert.
Those shows are a literal impossibility today. Possible in 1977, but not today. Let that sink in for a bit.

Empire Stadium was not viable once its major tenants left. The end.

EastVanMark · #**124** Posted **Oct 30, 2019, 10:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

You're the one turning this into a black and white discussion, not sure why. It's a more "traditional" form of entertainment that is not as popular as it once was... why is that so hard to come to grips with?

The PNE had the best attendance in 5 years in 2019. I guess it's all good then, right?

But really, that's probably due to a stretch of good weather. The fact is that PNE attendance has been generally trending down for years.

Its black and white because its a black and white issue.

Other Fairs in the country are seeing record crowds for their fairs, but ours is not.
Period. We do not live in a bubble. The same issues regarding entertainment exist across the country. The reason why we are an outlier is black and white.

BTW the highest crowds in 5 years is laughable when you consider it wouldn't even have cracked the top ten attended fairs of all time for the PNE. There's a reason for that.

EastVanMark · #**125** Posted **Oct 30, 2019, 10:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Empire Stadium was not viable once its major tenants left. The end.

False. Empire Stadium was not viable due to the chemical elements used during the construction process back in 1954. The stadium remained for another 10 years after the major tenants left. Class dismissed.

WarrenC12 · #**126** Posted **Oct 30, 2019, 11:11 PM**

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False. Empire Stadium was not viable due to the chemical elements used during the construction process back in 1954. The stadium remained for another 10 years after the major tenants left. Class dismissed.

Sure, and if there were no other options, a rebuild might have been on the table if BC Place wasn't built and the teams moved there. What's your point? We should build a new outdoor stadium for the PNE?

WarrenC12 · #**127** Posted **Oct 30, 2019, 11:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by EastVanMark

BTW the highest crowds in 5 years is laughable when you consider it wouldn't even have cracked the top ten attended fairs of all time for the PNE. There's a reason for that.

The reason is that society has moved on...

EastVanMark · #**128** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 12:15 AM**

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The reason is that society has moved on...

Not exactly. They haven't "moved on" in Calgary or Toronto when last I checked.

EastVanMark · #**129** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 12:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Sure, and if there were no other options, a rebuild might have been on the table if BC Place wasn't built and the teams moved there. What's your point? We should build a new outdoor stadium for the PNE?

Nope. May point is that the stadium wasn't viable because the tenants left but due to shoddy construction practices.

Thats all.

WarrenC12 · #**130** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 1:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by EastVanMark

Not exactly. They haven't "moved on" in Calgary or Toronto when last I checked.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/200...nking_cne.html

This sums it up nicely:

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"It's not what it was," Filey says of the fair. "It's an anachronism – it's going on nostalgia these days."

The CNE isn't dying. On the contrary, its attendance numbers have held relatively steady in the last few years and the Ex has returned about $6 million in profits to the city between 1999 and 2008.

Most, however, agree that it has fallen in stature over time, and general manager David Bednar suggests several reasons for the drop in attendance.

WarrenC12 · #**131** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 1:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by EastVanMark

Nope. May point is that the stadium wasn't viable because the tenants left but due to shoddy construction practices.

Thats all.

So you're lamenting the fact that a condemned dump is gone?

logan5 · #**132** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 1:18 AM**

Wasn't the PNE an agriculture type thing? Farming just isn't hip anymore.

Migrant_Coconut · #**133** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 1:54 AM**

Yeah, when two of the main facilities are literally the Agrodome and the Livestock Barns - ooh, and there's a roller rink - you know the PNE's not for you. OTOH, the more "upscale" street festivals like Khatsalano and the Main & Commercial Car Free Day are back-to-back crowded.

logan5 · #**134** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 2:13 AM**

And the Mural Festival. What's this guy talking about. There's lots of stuff going on in the city.

trofirhen · #**135** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 3:47 AM**

Although I am unable to say in what precise venue this might take place, I would like to see, or have, public "read-ins" where Canadian childrens literature is introduced to young kids.
This a part of our heritage that we are losing, partly because it is not voluminous, and partly because trash television occupies so many kids' free time that they have little use for books.
I'd also like to have coffe shops - as they do in Seattle - with "read ins" for all kinds of literature, to expose people to classical literature and simply to keep the art of reading alive.

WarrenC12 · #**136** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 3:12 PM**

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Yeah, when two of the main facilities are literally the Agrodome and the Livestock Barns - ooh, and there's a roller rink - you know the PNE's not for you. OTOH, the more "upscale" street festivals like Khatsalano and the Main & Commercial Car Free Day are back-to-back crowded.

Yes. The PNE has evolved beyond an agri-fair, but there are so many more options in the city year-round.

When it was the only game in town, of course it was huge.

EastVanMark · #**137** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 5:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

So you're lamenting the fact that a condemned dump is gone?

Nope. Lamenting the fact the PNE has lost a considerable amount of capacity and is thusly robbed of the opportunity to fully realize its potential

EastVanMark · #**138** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 5:36 PM**

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https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/200...nking_cne.html

This sums it up nicely:

Great. But well over a 1.5 million people came out. Thats almost double what came out to the PNE.

The PNE was once better attended than the CNE or later on, rivalled it.

Same distractions, changes in peoples behaviours have occurred in both markets.

How come there attendance is still incredible strong, while ours fell off the map and even in the recent upswing in attendance, we still are half the size of theirs, and smaller than ones staged in Alberta. (There goes that megalopolis Edmonton beating us at something again).

Migrant_Coconut · #**139** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 6:24 PM**

As Warren pointed out, the PNE was the only game in town at the time. Summertime foot traffic seems to have shifted to Stanley Park and False Creek and street festivals/malls instead; for example, I don't see the Royal Alberta getting a million visitors a year like Science World does, and they've got a proper fossil gallery!

WarrenC12 · #**140** Posted **Oct 31, 2019, 7:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by EastVanMark

Great. But well over a 1.5 million people came out. Thats almost double what came out to the PNE.

The PNE was once better attended than the CNE or later on, rivalled it.

Same distractions, changes in peoples behaviours have occurred in both markets.

How come there attendance is still incredible strong, while ours fell off the map and even in the recent upswing in attendance, we still are half the size of theirs, and smaller than ones staged in Alberta. (There goes that megalopolis Edmonton beating us at something again).

You're asking why an event in Toronto gets double the attendance of Vancouver? Sounds like we're punching above our weight class in that comparison.