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Thanks. It feels kinda weird walking across a highway overpass with a big camera strapped around your neck... people look at you funny. But in the end I think the shots were worth it.

I originally started to take the pictures to help out the Highway 401 article on Wikipedia, but now I'm taking shots of everything lol.
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London Roads Aren't The Worst, CAA Says

For the first time London didn't crack the top 20 of the worst roads in Ontario.

The annual run-down released by CAA is now in it's 8th year, and Toronto dominates this year's list.

The six-week campaign by CAA North & East Ontario encouraged motorists to voice their concerns for crumbling infrastructure in their respective communities.

"I found it very satisfying," said Dave Leckie, Director of Roads and Transportation with the City of London, Dave Leckie.

"It's proof that the actions we've been planning over the years and delivering, are paying off."

The new worst road in the province, according to the CAA survey is Pelican Falls Road which is located in Sioux Lookout.

It's not all good news for London, however. For the first time the CAA also listed the 20 Best roads in Ontario.

London did not crack that list either.
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You know, I gotta hand it to London. They did a good job fixing up the roads this year. Although a lot of it was stimulus funding, many long term reconstructions have taken place, especially fixing up various overpasses throughout the city.

I was a little sad to see that Wonderland Road North was the only widening project this year despite the excess funding. With the other projects out of the way this year, we can focus more on widenings over the next few years.

I'd say Southdale and Commissioners are the ones that need widening the most with all that excess traffic coming from Byron. Oxford could also easily be widened when the time comes Hyde Park can get 4 lanes. Fanshawe Park could use 4-laning to Highbury and Wellington should be a continuous 6 lane facility from the 401 to Base Line. And then there's the complicated process of making Warnfliffe/Westen 4 lanes the whole way through.

...And of course, construction of the Wonderland/401 interchange is paramount. But that probably won't happen until the MTO says so.
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You know, I gotta hand it to London. They did a good job fixing up the roads this year. Although a lot of it was stimulus funding, many long term reconstructions have taken place, especially fixing up various overpasses throughout the city.

I was a little sad to see that Wonderland Road North was the only widening project this year despite the excess funding. With the other projects out of the way this year, we can focus more on widenings over the next few years.

I'd say Southdale and Commissioners are the ones that need widening the most with all that excess traffic coming from Byron. Oxford could also easily be widened when the time comes Hyde Park can get 4 lanes. Fanshawe Park could use 4-laning to Highbury and Wellington should be a continuous 6 lane facility from the 401 to Base Line. And then there's the complicated process of making Warnfliffe/Westen 4 lanes the whole way through.

...And of course, construction of the Wonderland/401 interchange is paramount. But that probably won't happen until the MTO says so.
I agree, all of these projects are greatly needed. Especially the Southdale road widening. It, like Sunningdale, isn't a country road anymore, and now that development has sprawled onto both sides it badly needs widening to Colonel Talbot. Same goes for Hyde Park with that new "Smart Centre."

Also, I think VMP needs interchanges with Hamilton, and Bradley soon, as the traffic on it has increased. It also needs to finally be extended to meet up with Clarke road. I mean, I've seen that on the drawing boards for 10 years now!

I really think Bradley should be extended to Wonderland and line up with Pack rd, and I believe thats the plan with SWAP.
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That post was to identify widening.

If you're talking about new roads and extensions, Bradley is #1 on my list. Getting it to Colonel Talbot would really improve traffic flow and distribution in southwest London. It will probably be built in sections to Warncliffe, Wonderland and eventually to Talbot.

The MTO has approved an interchange with the VMP and Hamilton, but they say that Bradley is too close to the Hamilton and 401 interchanges and a junction here would cause weaving and safety concerns. The city has proposed a half-clover for Bradley but that would probably make Hamilton a half-clover as well. I think Hamilton needs a parclo A-4 interchange because volumes on it are expected to increase significantly as Jackson grows.

The VMP should be extended to Clark at-grade as soon as possible. Eventually though I want to see a flyover from NB Clark to NB VMP similar to the the 401/402 interchange where EB 402 flies over EB 401. Clark should be upgraded to expressway or freeway status from the VMP to Fanshawe Park road.

Work on a VMP-like (expressway-class) road on the west side of London should also start soon. Interchanges from the 401/402 to Oxford would be awesome, but getting it to Grainsbourgh or Egremont/Fanshawe would be preferred.

Also I think a busway should be built along one of the rail corridors. This would make the LTC more efficient crosstown.
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Hyde Park is absolutely retarded. The road is completely backed up during rush hour, and even worse on weekends. Yet, the development continues unabated, from the Dumbcentre, to the new condo tower(s), to the subdivisions....the volume is just too great for the road. This is pretty simple to project.
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ThatAlso I think a busway should be built along one of the rail corridors. This would make the LTC more efficient crosstown.
I'd like to see that too, but CP Rail plans to add a second rail line alongside their existing line through London - this was brought up as an argument why the old Sarnia Road bridge can't be kept as a pedestrian bridge after the new bridge is built.

At the same time, expanding the right-of-way for CP Rail might be an opportunity for the building of a busway or even a third rail line dedicated to passenger transit. Regardless of how far the expansion is, building demolitions, bridge replacements, and road overhead expansion will be inevitable. The corridor is ideal for a service crossing the city with service to the airport, and it can be configured to service the south half of the city and St. Thomas through a link with the L&PS. Theoretically the network could link to Woodstock, Tillsonburg, Aylmer, and Strathroy (using the CN line from Komoka).

This would also be an ideal opportunity for CP to raise the elevation of their right-of-way through the west half of the city and through downtown, allowing for subway grade separations on Richmond and Adelaide Streets, and to make the existing subway on Oxford higher.
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I'd like to see that too, but CP Rail plans to add a second rail line alongside their existing line through London - this was brought up as an argument why the old Sarnia Road bridge can't be kept as a pedestrian bridge after the new bridge is built.

At the same time, expanding the right-of-way for CP Rail might be an opportunity for the building of a busway or even a third rail line dedicated to passenger transit. Regardless of how far the expansion is, building demolitions, bridge replacements, and road overhead expansion will be inevitable. The corridor is ideal for a service crossing the city with service to the airport, and it can be configured to service the south half of the city and St. Thomas through a link with the L&PS. Theoretically the network could link to Woodstock, Tillsonburg, Aylmer, and Strathroy (using the CN line from Komoka).

This would also be an ideal opportunity for CP to raise the elevation of their right-of-way through the west half of the city and through downtown, allowing for subway grade separations on Richmond and Adelaide Streets, and to make the existing subway on Oxford higher.
I'm surprised CP would want to widen their railway through London. they already have to slow down considerably, and there's ample room North of London to divert around it. You'd think London may make concessions to have it go north of the City, however I do know that's out of the City Limits per say.

CN it is crucial to keep going through the City with VIA rail service, however CP should be given the squeeze to see if they can re-route their lines around the city.
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That would involve building a completely new corridor, which is considerably more expensive to build. Also, what will become of the rail yards and industrial connections on the CP line?

Although this is the best long-term scenario, I am in considerable doubt it will ever happen. Adding a second line through the existing corridor is much cheaper. Some of the overpasses and such are aging anyway so upgrading/replacing them with new ones would work wonders for under-passing roads like Warncliffe. If the new overpass allowed Warncliffe to pass under it with 4-5 lanes you could see the 2 lane sections of Western and Warncliffe finally get widened.


Hyde park is a joke. Get that sucker to 4 lanes especially around Oxford and widen Sarnia while you're at it. I'd say the city should make Sarnia 4 lanes all the way to Western to put pressure on CP to contribute funds to replace that joke of an overpass.
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Hyde park is a joke. Get that sucker to 4 lanes especially around Oxford and widen Sarnia while you're at it. I'd say the city should make Sarnia 4 lanes all the way to Western to put pressure on CP to contribute funds to replace that joke of an overpass.
I'm looking forward to when the Wonderland widening north of Gainsborough is complete. I won't have to use Hyde Park anymore when I go up to Masonville. I went up there yesterday and it was backed up all the way from Fanshawe Park to past Sarnia Road.
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The VMP was closed yesterday between Bradley and the 401 for 8 hours for a flag-raising salute to all Canadian Veterans. This made traffic on Highbury and Wellington horrible all day.

While I'm in full support of our veterans, I question the need to hold this event for 8 hours, especially during the Friday afternoon rush hour.

Rationale from the city:
The rough terrain made it impossible to hold the event anywhere other than on the actual VMP. We wanted to make sure this event was accessible to all of our Veterans, many of whom could not have walked the slippery, uneven ground west of the flag feature.

We considered every option before deciding on closing the VMP, and although we realized the closure would inconvenience motorists by requiring them to detour, we hoped that most people would understand and be accomodating, as we hosted our Veterans at this flag-raising event in their honour.


Speaking of the VMP, I have been doing some major editing to it's Wikipedia article. Check it out here if you're interested.
-Still need some better references and pictures for it but the thing looks a lot better than it used to.
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The VMP was closed yesterday between Bradley and the 401 for 8 hours for a flag-raising salute to all Canadian Veterans. This made traffic on Highbury and Wellington horrible all day.

While I'm in full support of our veterans, I question the need to hold this event for 8 hours, especially during the Friday afternoon rush hour.

Rationale from the city:
The rough terrain made it impossible to hold the event anywhere other than on the actual VMP. We wanted to make sure this event was accessible to all of our Veterans, many of whom could not have walked the slippery, uneven ground west of the flag feature.

We considered every option before deciding on closing the VMP, and although we realized the closure would inconvenience motorists by requiring them to detour, we hoped that most people would understand and be accomodating, as we hosted our Veterans at this flag-raising event in their honour.


Speaking of the VMP, I have been doing some major editing to it's Wikipedia article. Check it out here if you're interested.
-Still need some better references and pictures for it but the thing looks a lot better than it used to.
^ That's great that they wanted to do something for the veterans. The flagpole is pretty impressive. Maybe there really wasn't any other possibility, but why the city decided to turn a major industrial link into a "parkway" is what I don't understand. To me, it seems counter productive.

I'm all for grass, trees, and monuments, but to close it for 8 hours in unacceptable. It's our largest industrial gateway. I guess the city wanted to rename it that because of its importance. But now it has a prestigious reputation to live up to, and I've heard a lot of complaints about overgrown weeds.

In my opinion, they should have renamed Wonderland Veterans Memorial Way, or something. They could have put up a flagpole by the Thames, near Riverside, and put up some munuments there. At least it actually goes through a park, and some residential areas, and isn't way the hell out in the middle of nowhere, by some ugly new industrial buildings, where you can hear the 401 whizzing by. Ya, I'm sure that's a very enjoyable place for a ceremony.
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This province has gone nuts with naming roads for our soldiers... so much so that these dedications have lost their appeal.

Highway of Heroes- Highway 401 between Highway 404/Don Valley Parkway to Trenton

Route of Heroes- Don Valley Parkway between Bloor Street and Highway 401

Veterans Memorial Highway- Highway 416 for it's entire length

Veterans Memorial Parkway- The former Highway 100/Airport Road for it's entire length

...And I'm sure I'm leaving out designations for other cities and minor roads. This is overkill in my opinion. No offense to our veterans, but politicians are just using them to make themselves look caring and compassionate and whatnot...
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Interesting article from the Saturday Free Press:

Ring road around London still a dream

KITCHENER - During a public debate last month between the two candidates for the Regional Municipality of Waterloo's top elected office, the incumbent chair, Ken Seiling, launched into a vigorous defence of a proposed light-rail transit system that would run from the north of Waterloo to the south of Kitchener. It's a project he supports.

"Can anyone imagine K-W today without the (Conestoga) expressway?" Seiling asked - his point not lost on anyone in the room. He went on to argue that the same type of long-term thinking that, four decades ago, sparked construction of the essential freeway will be needed to build an LRT system in the decade ahead. And Waterloo Region residents ought not to shirk the moment of opportunity.

Seiling went on to assert that the expressway, which loops from southwest Kitchener to north Waterloo, has been the single biggest catalyst in the economic development of the twin cities - and, by extension, the Region of Waterloo.

Without that vital artery, he implied, access to the universities and industrial nodes in the north would have been restricted and developments such as the giant RIM Park might never have happened.

The veteran politician got not a word of argument on this point from anyone in the audience, nor from his electoral opponent, Robert Milligan. In Waterloo Region, the crucial importance of the freeway to regional economic development is already conventional wisdom, even among many environmentalists and supporters of alternative modes of transportation.

The only quibbles that occasionally bubble to the surface here have to do with the fact that the "ring" was never finished, due to lobbying by powerful landowner interests - a fact some residents now think was the only political mistake in an otherwise important and successful project.

London has had its own long and rather tortured history with the concept of a "ring road" around the city. It fumbled its golden opportunity in the early 1970s to have the province shoulder half the cost of such a project by approving the construction of Hwy. 402 across the city's north. Influential landowners were successful in bending the proposed highway's route around the south of the city past Lambeth.

Since then, city politicians have tried a few times to revive the ring-road concept (and demurred even more often), but were twice foiled by the Ontario Municipal Board. Negotiations with Middlesex Centre and Middlesex County a decade ago about a northern right-of-way went nowhere.

Over the past few years, the discussion has shifted from ring road to the notion of a possible U-road, says Dave Leckie, London's director of roads and transportation. City staff are testing that concept - as well as many others related to transportation corridors and development intensification - through an update to the transportation master plan, which they've dubbed Smart Moves. There's a website that invites citizen involvement (www.london.ca/smartmoves) and a third public workshop on the issue is planned for Dec. 7.

An effective vision takes guts and requires calculated risks. Back in Waterloo Region, residents are being reminded of their generational responsibility to think big and to think long term.

At a seminar earlier this week, Joe Berridge, a partner at Toronto-based planning and urban design firm Urban Strategies, told his audience it's time to imagine K-W as an ethnically diverse, dense and busy mini-metropolis that will likely reach more than 700,000 people within the next 20 years. Different modes of living and travel won't be options; they'll be necessities, he said, adding that Kitchener, Waterloo and Cambridge will inevitably resemble one big city.

Coming to terms with those realities now - and taking the important first steps - is "an investment in the next generation," Berridge said.

It's interesting to note that, during the election campaign just passed, taxation in the Waterloo Region wasn't the consuming issue it was in London. Voters were interested in trying to keep the rate of tax hikes to the rate of inflation, but the "vision" issues dominated.

And it hasn't stopped. One of the first priorities of the new regional council and its staff is continuing that re-imaging process through online citizen input and a series of face-to-face public consultations.

And with all that focus on a long-term vision, it just so happens that Seiling, as well as the mayors of Kitchener, Waterloo and Cambridge, were all re-elected - bucking what was a bit of a provincial trend toward dumping incumbents.

Coincidence? Perhaps not.

http://www.lfpress.com/comment/colum.../15989576.html
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While I agree that London has always been a backwards-looking, stagnant community that consistently fails at prioritizing any sort of long-term planning agenda, I'm actually glad the city doesn't have a ring road.

K-W grew up around the Parkway, which is why it sprawls as much as it does, and doesn't have a large or defineable downtown (Kitchener does, of course, but not nearly to the extent of London). London by contrast has been able to focus more energy on downtown revitalization and has a more vibrant core than K-W will have for a very long time.
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While I agree that London has always been a backwards-looking, stagnant community that consistently fails at prioritizing any sort of long-term planning agenda, I'm actually glad the city doesn't have a ring road.

K-W grew up around the Parkway, which is why it sprawls as much as it does, and doesn't have a large or defineable downtown (Kitchener does, of course, but not nearly to the extent of London). London by contrast has been able to focus more energy on downtown revitalization and has a more vibrant core than K-W will have for a very long time.
^London sprawls like crazy, and the road system never gets improved to handle all of it. There's all these recent developments that just branch off of main roads and then go nowhere, or maybe connect with some old country road. At least K-W's sprawl is better connected with roads and highways.
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While I agree that London has always been a backwards-looking, stagnant community that consistently fails at prioritizing any sort of long-term planning agenda, I'm actually glad the city doesn't have a ring road.

K-W grew up around the Parkway, which is why it sprawls as much as it does, and doesn't have a large or defineable downtown (Kitchener does, of course, but not nearly to the extent of London). London by contrast has been able to focus more energy on downtown revitalization and has a more vibrant core than K-W will have for a very long time.
I completely agree, a ring road wouldn't help London, but any sort of network built will aid the city's transportation system quite well.

By the way, Kitchener and Waterloo are two separate cities, which are both smaller than London. That's the main reason why that region doesn't have a downtown as large or as dense as London.

Regarding sprawl, you can't really argue that freeways encourage them because all you have to do is just look at London. At least with a freeway network sprawl would be slightly more organized along these routes rather than become a big clump of a mess we have in London.


EDIT: By the way I went to Toronto/GTA today and noticed that the 401's 6 lane widening between Woodstock and Cambridge is nearly complete. I think it should be fully open by the end of the month or sooner! That makes the 401 6 lanes all they way from Highway 402 in London to Highway 410 in Mississauga, where as we all know it gets even wider.
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I don't get why there's so much public opposition to roundabouts. Let's break down the plus and minuses of such a automotive transportation intersection design.

Pluses:
1. Capacity is roughly 2x higher than a standard "box" intersection
2. Roundabouts are about 2.5x more efficient at getting cars through the junction compared to the standard box.
3. Less wear an tear on cars. Breaking is minimized and more controlled. Cars are rarely stopped.
4. Better for the environment. Since cars aren't accelerating from a dead stop (most of the time) there's less momentum needed thus less fuel needed to burn. In addition you don't need power for traffic lights or as much conventional street lighting
5. The centre of the roundabout is public space owned by the government in the right of way. This can be decorated or landscaped to make the drive more pleasant for drivers. Streetcar or light rail lines can also run through the centre of the roundabout.
6. More transit-friendly. Bus stops and whatnot can easily be placed near the entrances and exits of the roundabouts. Everything goes counterclockwise so buses have an easier time turning. (This also applies to heavy trucks)
7. More pedestrian-friendly. Much more potential areas for crosswalks to be made. This means if someone wants to cross diagonally they can by crossing in the middle and out to the opposite corner. Traffic has to pay attention to their surroundings so they will notice pedestrians easier and traffic also flowing slower so if pedestrians are struck, they are struck at a generally lower speed, thus not as serious.
8. Cheaper maintenance costs. No traffic lights, or wiring to replace.

Minuses:
1. Slightly more expensive to construct.
2. More potential impact points for collisions (but collisions that do happen here are generally more minor than box junctions since cars travel at a generally lower speed)
3. They take up more room than standard box junctions.
4. For multilane roundabouts, several different designs can be used which can be confusing for motorists
5. Weaving can become a problem when these junctions are heavily used, but is not nearly as bad as a cloverleaf interchange. Google that one if you don't know how it works.

Or I'll just link ya: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloverleaf_interchange

Anyways there's my brief break down of roundabouts vs regular intersections. In my opinion, roundabouts win hands down. It's sad we don't see more of them here, a city named after London, England, which has more roundabouts than any city on the planet.
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^I agree with you haljackey!

That post reminded me of a European person I know, who complains a lot when driving around London, pointing out perfect locations for roundabouts.

Traffic circles should be implemented more here, but the Hale-Trafalgar overpass is a huge step forward.

Somehow they add a more progressive and pleasant feel to a city, especially out in the suburbs.
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