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Old Posted Oct 21, 2008, 5:41 PM
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This is Toronto Provincialism at its finest. No one else has a stadium in the GTA. Another team cannot play at the ACC. The team should be named Ontario... to appease the league and play from Hamilton.
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I think Balsillie is using this situation to his advantage. It has been suggested in the past Balsillie would allow MLSE to take over Copps, have them control merchandising, concessions and TV rights.

Balsillie will probably bargain for this type of deal but have the team in Copps.
Have you been down to the Copps Lately? I've been down there for the Bulldogs first two home games and they've started the upgrades and renovations there at Copps. They're starting to replace those old multi-coloured seats with some dark navy blue ones and even noticed some new corporate boxes in there too.
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2008, 5:56 PM
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HEFCI has been running a surplus. So whatever extra money they get they put into renovations. Hamilton Place and Copps has been getting all the renovation money. I think they even replaced the sound system.
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HEFCI has been running a surplus. So whatever extra money they get they put into renovations. Hamilton Place and Copps has been getting all the renovation money. I think they even replaced the sound system.
I even took some pictures of the new seats when I was there on the weekend for the Bulldogs game. I will upload them here but I first have to add my name to the photos before uploading them. I like the choice of colour however they feel a tad bit smaller than the old ones.
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I hate the Leafs now more than ever!
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heard Bob McCowan today. He's usually the only guy who has a clue of what's really going on in the sports world.
He's convinced that Balsille wants Hamilton. His wife is from here and they think it would go a long way towards revitalizing downtown.
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2008, 8:53 PM
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heard Bob McCowan today. He's usually the only guy who has a clue of what's really going on in the sports world.
He's convinced that Balsille wants Hamilton. His wife is from here and they think it would go a long way towards revitalizing downtown.
What just flabbergasts me is that Hockey is a Canadian game and they try to prevent new franchises here??? How the f^%k does that make sense?
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you're talking about Bettman. He's a freak.
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2008, 8:59 PM
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heard Bob McCowan today. He's usually the only guy who has a clue of what's really going on in the sports world.
He's convinced that Balsille wants Hamilton. His wife is from here and they think it would go a long way towards revitalizing downtown.
Balsillie wants Hamilton and if Toronto Maple Leafs had a choice between having another NHL team in Toronto or Hamilton they would prefer that it came here instead as well. The Leafs would like to be the only NHL team in Toronto. Last thing they want to see happen is have another NHL team in Toronto win the Stanley Cup.

Like I said earlier, the Leafs are in the bad books of a lot of the other NHL team owners and the best way they know possible to stick it to the Maple Leafs would be to place another NHL franchise in Toronto. This is why more than ever the Leafs would support another team coming here to Hamilton. Furthermore, If I was Jim Balsillie, I would stop wasting my time with the Nashville Predators and chase after the Buffalo Sabres. They are the smallest NHL market in the U.S., their population numbers have been cut in half since the 1950s and more important than this is they also have a shrinking corporate base. This is why the NFL Bills will playing a regular season game in Toronto. They will eventually make the permanent move to Toronto. Why stop there? Lets bring the Sabres to Canada right here in Hamilton. They wouldn't even have to change the name just the logo. Instead of a Buffalo we would have a Sabre-tooth Tiger on the jerseys. Instead of Hamilton call them the UPPER CANADA SABRES....If any of you out there know your Canadian history this whole area use to be a part of Upper Canada. Since this team in Hamilton would be a regional team the name of the hockey club needs to reflect that. Furthermore, by calling it Upper Canada would make those folks in New York and Madison Square Garden happy. I think they would prefer a team called Upper Canada instead of "Hamilton" play out of their rink.
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You can understand now why TSN added a second sports channel.

Really I think Balsillie is using this second team to Toronto to his advantage. NHL will come to him and say "okay here's a team for you" and he'll turn it around and say "sure MLSE can control it but I won't own the team unless it's at Copps, period"

I think the NHL knows that a few NHL teams will file for chaper 11 with the state of USA's economy and they want Balsillie to own a team now so he won't bring a team to Hamilton. But I'm sure Balsillie is two steps ahead of them.
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You can understand now why TSN added a second sports channel.

Really I think Balsillie is using this second team to Toronto to his advantage. NHL will come to him and say "okay here's a team for you" and he'll turn it around and say "sure MLSE can control it but I won't own the team unless it's at Copps, period"

I think the NHL knows that a few NHL teams will file for chaper 11 with the state of USA's economy and they want Balsillie to own a team now so he won't bring a team to Hamilton. But I'm sure Balsillie is two steps ahead of them.
What do you mean "MLSE can control it?" ...I thought there was a rule in place that stated you can only own one NHL club. Maybe I am misunderstanding you here?
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2008, 9:21 PM
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Controlling it meaning MLSE take over Copps, merchandising, concessions and TV rights.

Some guys that owns the Rangers also controls the Devils.
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2008, 9:26 PM
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Let the Leafs run Copps?
The talk around southern Ontario is that MLSE could become the new HECFI

June 19, 2007
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Several times over the past few years, this corner has laughingly suggested that the way for Hamilton to land an NHL team is to let the Toronto Maple Leafs run Copps Coliseum.

But is it still such a big fat joke?

It seems far-fetched but such an agreement could work, from a business perspective, for both sides.

And there have been minor rumblings within the southern Ontario entertainment industry that Jim Balsillie has made exploratory contact with Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment Limited about that very possibility.

Balsillie has an agreement with the city to lease Copps Coliseum -- plus Hamilton Place and Hamilton Convention Centre -- in case he can move an NHL team here. At this point that team would be the Nashville Predators, should the team be able to escape its lease in Tennessee. The co-CEO of Waterloo's Research in Motion has a non-binding agreement to purchase the Preds from current owner Craig Leipold.

MLSE runs the Toronto Maple Leafs, but over the past five years the biggest growth segment, and perhaps the most lucrative arm, of their company has been the operation of arenas.

Besides the Air Canada Centre, which they own, MLSE runs Ricoh Coliseum and BMO Field (both on the Canadian National Exhibition grounds), plus the new arena in Oshawa. The company will also operate the new practice arena and training complex scheduled to be built near the west-end Lakeshore Arena, where the Leafs regularly practice. And this doesn't even include those downtown condos.

A management contract for the HECFI facilities would give the Leafs some percentage of the action in seven of the larger major entertainment venues in the Golden Horseshoe.

Balsillie's lawyer, Richard Rodier, did not return calls yesterday and a spokesman for MLSE wouldn't comment on the matter.

"At this point, any discussion about the Predators is premature and hypothetical in nature," said MLSE vice-president John Lashway. "We don't comment on hypothetical matters."

MLSE feels the same way about another local team that an arachnophobe feels about spiders. And the company's collective mood certainly hasn't improved with Balsillie's season ticket drive in Hamilton: apparently going well past the 12,000 mark yesterday, and with corporate box sales cut off at 80.

But, if a relocation of the Preds -- or, failing that, another faltering NHL franchise -- to southern Ontario begins to appear inevitable, MLSE would have to look to extract as much as they could from a new team. They are, and must be, a bottom-line company.

By the NHL constitution any team relocating within 80 kilometres of the Leafs' home would be required to pay a negotiated indemnification. Would MLSE rather have a large lump sum payment and nothing else, or a smaller upfront amount plus the yearly guaranteed income that would come with a management contract?

And don't count Leafs-TV out of the overall mix. The MLSE-owned digital channel could also be given preference in bidding for the broadcast rights of a team here. For years, the broadcast rights for the New Jersey Devils and New York Islanders were held by the Rangers-owned MSG network.

So, the Leafs could conceivably make money -- and lots of it, year after year -- off another local team.

On the other side of the table, if Balsillie were to exercise his right to the HECFI buildings, he'd need to organize an arena management team or hire an already-existing specialist. If it made business sense, why not farm that part of it out, especially if it would lower MLSE's resistance and become a yearly cost of doing business instead of a major capital cost?

Although "material" ownership by one owner of another NHL team is prohibited by the league, such subcontracting cross-pollination is not. Nor is it unprecedented. The parent company of the Philadelphia Flyers had the operation contracts of the Islanders' and Penguins' rinks, among others.

Currently, Anschutz Entertainment Group, whose president is also governor of the Los Angeles Kings, has the contract to manage the Sprint Center in Kansas City, which is seeking either an established NHL team or an expansion franchise. AEG is also part of one of the seven groups which have submitted a bid to build a downtown arena in Las Vegas. Jerry Bruckheimer, who is throwing heavy money at the NHL for a Vegas franchise, is apparently close to AEG.

As MLSE has stated, it's all speculation and none of this means the Leafs would actually end up managing Copps Coliseum (including, presumably, a cut of concessions) should an NHL team land here.

But it does suggest that the idea isn't quite the stand-up comedy routine it once was.
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Controlling it meaning MLSE take over Copps, merchandising, concessions and TV rights.

Some guys that owns the Rangers also controls the Devils.
OH I see...in that case you don't think the Sabres would want in on the action since they would argue that we are invading their NHL territory. I'm sure the Sabres would want a piece of the merchandising, concessions and TV rights...which is also why I think Balsillie should stop wasting his time with Nashville and target the Buffalo Sabres instead.

I also think CBC wouldn't mind seeing another NHL club in Southern Ontario. Right now Hockey Night in Canada seems to be the only thing making money for them...They would be able to have Triple-headers every Saturday. The Hamilton team would play Saturday afternoon games and that would be followed by the Leafs at their regular time slot and the third game would be a game from Western Canada. Triple-header every Saturday on CBC's Hockey Night in Canada.
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2008, 9:30 PM
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Watch CH at 5:30 they are talking about it.
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Watch CH at 5:30 they are talking about it.
Damn. I don't have access to a TV right now...too bad CH does not broadcast online.
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Mark made a bet that Hamilton will end up getting the Panthers.
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Mark made a bet that Hamilton will end up getting the Panthers.
Mark who?....

Talk 820 Hamilton...listen:

http://www.talk820.com/
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