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Old Posted Nov 14, 2008, 10:40 PM
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sweet, so you can bring the construction workers coffee. I have a gut feeling this one will come back, i don't know why but i do, seems they have put to much detail and effort into this one, all the way down to retaining the old street frontage. Fingers crossed!
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no way the foster project has been axed gah thats sad
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Bleh, Sad.

What I continue to fail to understand is why are banks pulling out of stable, good-to-go projects when they are losing money on everything else?
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2008, 10:52 PM
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Considering Calgary's Bow is facing serious financial problems, the news of Jameson stalling (hopefully temporarily) just reinforces how much instability there really is out there.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2008, 11:02 PM
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You guys are angry, can you imagine Rennie and all those salespeople that have been working for years on this and the other (no-go) projects.
Not only did they spend hundreds of thousands on advertising and promotion, but will be leaving $$Millions in commissions on the table as well.
Now that’s ANGRY.
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er, no matter how hard i try, i can't seem to feel too bad for rennie.

another thought though: i wonder how many of these stalled projects would be moving apace had there been no civic strike...
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Whats the situation with all the other towers being built across Canada and the U.S? There have been hundreds of proposed buildings to be built within the next few years, are they being stalled as well due to financial problems?
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But on Wednesday, he told his contractors he was stopping construction because one of his key lenders from a syndicate of three had backed out of the $180-million project.
guess one wonders which F&(&Y(&^king bank pulled the plug on this one, something tells me BMO or RBC isn't too far away???
Eh speculation is a fashionable garment their wear well
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Vancouver has done fine over the last few years, the envy of many. The few holes in the ground will eventually be built upon again. I think the market has been overbuilt, and in a strange way a slowdown might help it stabilize. That being said, this is a great project, and hopefully it will find a way to proceed.
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Vancouver has done fine over the last few years, the envy of many. The few holes in the ground will eventually be built upon again. I think the market has been overbuilt, and in a strange way a slowdown might help it stabilize. That being said, this is a great project, and hopefully it will find a way to proceed.
I agree. Calgary flooded the market with WAAAAY more supply than demand in their downtown core, which has resulted in a MASSIVE downturn in the value of properties, with people forfeiting their deposits as they would lose more money by staying with it. There has always been a demand in Vancouver, but now that things are having a bit tough of a time selling, it would be problematic to add a whole bunch more supply. This should help, in part, to keep the prices of existing units fairly stable. I don't think we'll be seeing people forfeit their 25% deposits any time soon to *SAVE* money.
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Yes but why don't all the crap projects stop, and these few quality ones proceed, that would be perfect.
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Hmm. Sorry it got canceled, but I always thought it looked like a vertical ice-cube tray.
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What will happen to the two heritage buildings presently suspended over that site?
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What will happen to the two heritage buildings presently suspended over that site?
I agree. Lots of cities have holes in the ground, not many have them with buildings suspended over top of them in perpetuity
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i posted in another thread, but the "Bow" tower in Calgary is on hold untilk financing comes through...

Bow hit by credit crisis
EnCana's future home in danger of being halted

Gina Teel, Calgary Herald; With files from Canwest News Service
Published: Saturday, November 15, 2008
http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=629e8ae9-ab09-4461-b666-57955dc2f584

In a sign the global credit crunch has found its way to downtown Calgary, construction of The Bow, the $1.4-billion landmark skyscraper and future home of EnCana Corp., is in danger of being halted as the owner and developer attempts to secure construction financing.

H&R Real Estate Investment Trust said it has no financing arrangements in place on any of its development projects, including The Bow, and current economic conditions have affected its financing strategy.

"Banks today are being very cautious, making smaller commitments . . . and are taking no underwriting risks," said Tom Hofstedter, president and chief executive of H&R.

Banks) are focusing their time and their capital on long-term relationships," Hofstedter said in a conference call to discuss the company's third-quarter financial results.

The Bow, an edgy steel and glass arc-shaped tower designed by renowned architects Foster and Partners and, at 247 metres high, set to be the tallest building in Western Canada, still requires $1.1 billion in funding.

Analyst Neil Downey of RBC Capital Markets suggested H&R could face a $300 million shortfall even if it secures a construction loan, and that selling The Bow or a partial interest it may be an alternative way to raise funds.

H&R is exploring four alternatives to finance its commitments, including selling an interest in The Bow or selling or refinancing other assets. H&R has about $300 million invested in The Bow to date.

However, Hofstedter told analysts he's "optimistic" that by the end of the first quarter of 2009 H&R will secure construction financing, citing the strength of the company's strong relationships with its banking syndicate, the 100 per cent pre-lease status of the project and the capital it's already committed to the project as drivers.

Developers in Calgary may not be as lucky. Many are having a tough time accessing money due to the global credit crunch.

In Calgary, building permits on five projects are set to expire from inactivity, and the Gateway Midtown condo site in the Beltline is idle.

City officials have had to seal empty construction pits from the public, as soaring costs see more of them pulling the plug on projects.

Last week, the city had to take on the responsibility of safeguarding the Manchester Station condominium project site at 2nd Street and 53rd Avenue S.E. on behalf of the owner. Construction had ground to a halt and the land has sat empty for months.

In the call, Hofstedter refused to discuss further details pertaining to The Bow.

EnCana spokesman Alan Boras deferred all questions about development and construction of The Bow to H&R. EnCana sold the project to H&R last February for $70 million.

EnCana's 3,200 employees, currently spread out in five buildings, are slated to move in by 2011.

"We are a future tenant, we have a long-term lease and we expect to move into The Bow when it is completed," Boras said.

Even EnCana, Canada's largest oil and gas producer, has felt the wrath of the global credit crisis. Last month, EnCana postponed plans to spin off its oilsands unit into a separate company, blaming crumbling financial markets for the delay.

The split, which was supposed to take effect in early 2009, will likely wait until clear signs of stabilization return to global equity markets, the company said.

EnCana's shares have fallen nearly 19 per cent this year, sending its market cap down to $41 billion.

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[QUOTE=muzhav84;3914145]i posted in another thread, but the "Bow" tower in Calgary is on hold untilk financing comes through...

First of all where did you come up with this idea that the Bow is on hold, it's still under-construction. Also, why would that make some of you happy? I really thought living in a beautiful city such as Vancouver people would be highly unlikely to dip down to the level of being haters.
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For some reason I feel the same way too.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2008, 9:58 PM
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For some reason I feel the same way too.
They've only stolen our title in being the Western Canada financial headquarters, all those office jobs stolen from us.......my ultimate dream for Calgary's Bow, how it'll look like in 2025:
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They've only stolen our title in being the Western Canada financial headquarters, all those office jobs stolen from us.......my ultimate dream for Calgary's Bow, how it'll look like in 2025:
In some cruel way, I feel the same too. Calgary's boom is due to the oil sand. I wonder what they plan to do to sustain their economy when we start switching to alternative/sustainable energy source ?
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