Park Avenue deviendra probablement avenue Robert-Bourrassa - Page 7

MTL-514 · #**121** Posted **Nov 6, 2006, 5:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by malek

Le saint joseph à été nommé en l'honneur des soeurs du même nom qui ont fait don à la ville de terrains pour la construction du boulevard.

yes we already heard that a page or two back.

I don't think that's so important that it can't be renamed. every street and every neighbourhood in the city was on land donated by some religious order or parish. and most of them are not named for them, at least not anymore.

so what's so special about this donation?

MTL-514 · #**122** Posted **Nov 6, 2006, 5:24 AM**

in any case, there are thousands of streets, places, buildings, towns and cities named after saints all over Montreal, and all over the entire province. one less saint-joseph will not have any impact overall. except on the residents of that street itself and maybe the immediate neighbourhoods that line the street.

if there wasn't major opposition by residents, I think Saint-Joseph would have been a much more appropriate street to rename for Bourassa. problem with almost any street re-naming is that if the public is consulted in advance, then all the nimbys will come out and noisily oppose any change, regardless of what it may be. plus the fact that it's a politician they want to name the street for. by nature, this will almost always be opposed and denounced by those loyal to the "other" party (regardless of which side is doing the re-naming)

so public consultation beforehand is probably a recipe for failure of any proposed re-naming.

but the Mayor should also have been a little smarter and a little less overzealous by aiming for Parc Ave.

better yet, like many have said here: avoid RE-naming in most cases, and stick to naming NEW things only.

why not name the new Notre-Dame urban boulevard (or Notre Dame Expressway - whichever they end up choosing) after Robert Bourassa?

Guy Crémeux · #**123** Posted **Nov 21, 2006, 9:33 PM**

So, qu'est ce qui se passe avec ce projet de merde ? C'est mort ? Ca va avoir lieu finalement ? Comme bien d'autres nouvelles fast-food, les medias en parlent non-stop pendant une journee, ensuite... NEXT !

habsfan · #**124** Posted **Nov 21, 2006, 9:37 PM**

à Montréal, on s'ostine sur le nom d'une rue(qui n'a pas d'affaire à changer de nom selon moi) et pendant ce temps, dans la Ville Reine, ils sont sur le bord d'annoncer le Trump Toronto...petit contrast!

malek · #**125** Posted **Nov 21, 2006, 9:37 PM**

C'est parceque l'opposition s'est effacé une fois la pillule avalée, que les médias ne s'intéressent plus.

Juste une question de temps avant que ça se passe.

Guy Crémeux · #**126** Posted **Nov 21, 2006, 9:47 PM**

"Juste une question de temps avec que ça se passe."

"et pendant ce temps, dans la Ville Reine, ils sont sur le bord d'annoncer le
Trump Toronto"

Putain les gars, vous etes fuuuuuckin decouragant... (et comment vrai en plus, c'est ca le plus triste en fait)

...Beeeurk

habsfan · #**127** Posted **Nov 21, 2006, 10:00 PM**

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Putain les gars, vous etes fuuuuuckin decouragant...

c'est platte, mais c'est la réalitée des choses...pendant ce temps, il y en a ici qui font comme si tout était rose....

Kilgore Trout · #**128** Posted **Nov 22, 2006, 7:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by Guy Crémeux

So, qu'est ce qui se passe avec ce projet de merde ? C'est mort ? Ca va avoir lieu finalement ? Comme bien d'autres nouvelles fast-food, les medias en parlent non-stop pendant une journee, ensuite... NEXT !

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Originally Posted by malek

C'est parceque l'opposition s'est effacé une fois la pillule avalée, que les médias ne s'intéressent plus.

Juste une question de temps avant que ça se passe.

umm... the gazette has been running two or three park avenue stories every week. there was one yesterday, in fact. la presse has also run a number of additional park avenue articles over the past two weeks. the media has actually kept reporting this for a fairly long period of time... maybe you both haven't been paying attention to the news.

tonight there was a public meeting held by city councillors marvin rotrand and warren allemand in côte-des-neiges; on thursday there will be an art exhibition on park avenue.

city council will vote on the whole issue next monday. all of the plateau councillors now oppose the renaming, including helen fotopulos. most other councillors haven't announced how they will vote but a report last week said that the council was pretty much evenly split between supporters and opponents.

PhilippeMtl · #**129** Posted **Nov 28, 2006, 6:55 PM**

Le peuple... oups.. plutôt le maire en a décidé ainsi...

Jamais plus je ne donnerai mon vote pour cet imbécile ou ses licheux de bottes dans son parti...

ErickMontreal · #**130** Posted **Nov 28, 2006, 7:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by PhilippeMtl

Le peuple... oups.. plutôt le maire en a décidé ainsi...

Jamais plus je ne donnerai mon vote pour cet imbécile ou ses licheux de bottes dans son parti...

Montréal est à un extreme tandis qu`ici à Saint John les industrielles veulent construire un pipeline forte densité "right througth the city" et la ville accepte ca...

La situation à Montreal est inaceptable je l`admets mais il y a pire, la vie des citoyens n`est pas en dangé par la loi du marché et ceux-ci ne sont pas muselés par peur des représailles au contraire lol.

Kilgore Trout · #**131** Posted **Nov 28, 2006, 7:29 PM**

saint john is a depressed industrial town and montreal is a dynamic big city. it's not really fair to compare them.

the city councillor marvin rotrand had a good point last night: this never would have happened in another north american city like toronto or new york. montreal has an opaque democratic system that encourages mayors to act like autocrats. i don't think it's an accident that every single mayor we have had since camillien houde has had the power to do pretty much anything he wants.

the last chance park avenue has is that the toponomy commission will reject the name change on the grounds that it is almost unanimously opposed by everyone affected.

funnily, many of those concillors who opposed in the name change in what tremblay promised would be a free vote mysteriously changed their minds after a caucus meeting last week. did he bully them into submission? it's not like he would have convinced them with his great rhetorical skills, because he doesn't have any. i thought i voted for a mayor, not a dictator...

ErickMontreal · #**132** Posted **Nov 28, 2006, 8:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout

saint john is a depressed industrial town and montreal is a dynamic big city. it's not really fair to compare them

I just wanted to say that Montreal has another problems than this semantics debate. Maybe Saint john is small, depressed, and does not vivrant as Montreal but his unemployment rate is 2 % lower by now.

Saint John cannot have all the defects

patboy · #**133** Posted **Nov 28, 2006, 8:33 PM**

Avenue du Parc, officiellement changée pour Avenue Robert Bourrassa.

malek · #**134** Posted **Nov 28, 2006, 8:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

I just wanted to say that Montreal has another problems than this semantics debate. Maybe Saint john is small, depressed, and does not vivrant as Montreal but his unemployment rate is 2 % lower by now.

Saint John cannot have all the defects

people on welfare are not taken into the unemployment rate

ok ok sorry just wanted joke around, i'm feeling good today

ErickMontreal · #**135** Posted **Nov 28, 2006, 8:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by malek

people on welfare are not taken into the unemployment rate

ok ok sorry just wanted joke around, i'm feeling good today

Maybe Saint john is small, depressed, and does not vivrant as Montreal but his unemployment rate is 12 % lower by now

lol

It`s a joke too

Mais pourquoi ils n`ont pas fait comme à Paris, faire des compromis : Ceci pourrait être l`Anenue du Parc Robert bourassa.

Laurent · #**136** Posted **Nov 28, 2006, 9:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Malek

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Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

I just wanted to say that Montreal has another problems than this semantics debate. Maybe Saint john is small, depressed, and does not vivrant as Montreal but his unemployment rate is 2 % lower by now.

Saint John cannot have all the defects

people on welfare are not taken into the unemployment rate

ok ok sorry just wanted joke around, i'm feeling good today

^ that's why Mtl's unemplyment rate is as 'low' as it is : it doesn't take into account the fact that Montreal is the North-American center of welfare.

ErickMontreal · #**137** Posted **Nov 28, 2006, 9:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Laurent

^ that's why Mtl's unemplyment rate is as 'low' as it is : it doesn't take into account the fact that Montreal is the North-American center of welfare.

Je ne voulais pas créer de polémiques sur ce sujet, fallais bien que je trouves un point positif à Saint John sur Montréal car ceux-ci sont plutôt rares. Le taux de chômage ici est historiquement bas. lol

elsonic · #**138** Posted **Nov 28, 2006, 10:35 PM**

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Kilgore Trout · #**139** Posted **Nov 28, 2006, 10:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by pbeaulieu

Avenue du Parc, officiellement changée pour Avenue Robert Bourrassa.

en fait, ce n'est pas le cas : le changement de nom doit être approuvé par la commission de toponymie, qui pourrait le refuser à cause de la forte opposition publique.

in any case, when and if the toponomy commission approves the change, provincial law will require the city to tape red Xs on the park avenue street signs for a full year before the name is formally changed.

in any case, i have the satisfaction of schadenfreude: tremblay is going down, if not for the park avenue debacle (which will only cost him votes, since there is no political capital to be gained from renaming the street) then for the fact that he is ruthlessly slashing city services and raising transit fares in order to cope with a municipal deficit. his complete lack of vision hurts him, too. like jean drapeau, he has become an autocrat. unlike drapeau, he seems too incompetent to use his unfettered power to actually do anything productive.

digitboy · #**140** Posted **Nov 28, 2006, 11:02 PM**

Je trouve ce débat inutile, mais en meme temps je trouve ca imbécile de la part du maire de ne pas écouter ses citoyens.

Aux prochaines élections, chers montréalais(e)s qui étaient contre le changement de nom vous saurez quoi faire:

Tremblay