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Old Posted Jun 27, 2010, 12:52 PM
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Well, it has to be shorter than Tower 4, because Libeskind incorporated it into his ascending swirl concept.
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If it's hotel and residential, it should be well over 1,000 feet with the amount of square footage that it has.
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If the aim is for Lower Manhattan to lose that ‘5 day a week’ image, then something along the lines of a Time Warner Center appeal would be just the answer. If executed the right way, the building will attract a lot of vibrancy, other than suits.
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^^^Trouble though is you are gonna have such a small floorplate when they are done with the DB. As I recall they are going to cut the site in half and make the northern half of the site a park. (At least going back to JPMorgan's proposal with the cantilever). So anything built there will resemble 50 West in that it will be a tall thin, residential/hotel building.

However...

If they ditch that idea, and give 5WTC the whole DB block, then IMO it should almost certainly be a mixed use development.
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No, they can't. JP Morgan's proposal was to go with the canteliever because the second half Vehicle Security Center and the church is supposed to go in front of the building, so there's not that much of a choice.
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^ The VSC is still planned, but the layout of the park and church has been thrown up in the air.


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http://www.tribecatrib.com/news/2010...ice-tower.html

Dep. Mayor: 130 Liberty St. Should be Reserved for Office Tower



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It appeared to be a plan whose time had passed: an office tower on the former Deutsche Bank building site, just across the street from the 10 million square feet of office space planned for the World Trade Center site. But a high-level Bloomberg administration official still believes the idea could work—10 years from now—and it’s worth waiting for.

Outgoing Deputy Mayor Robert Lieber, in charge of the city’s economic development, said that despite the lack of a willing developer or anchor tenant, an office tower similar to the one JP Morgan Chase had planned to occupy at 130 Liberty Street two years ago could eventually be economically viable.

“What we’re talking about now is something that’s going to take place a decade from now,” Lieber, a member of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation’s board of directors, said during a meeting of the board this month. “I can’t say with any confidence that there’s no need for more office space in Lower Manhattan. I actually believe that there will be.”

“Site 5,” the site of the former Deutsche Bank building, has been in limbo ever since JP Morgan Chase abandoned its plans for a 42-story headquarters there, choosing to move uptown after its acquisition of Bear Stearns in 2008. Though plans for the 1.3 million-square-foot tower were shelved indefinitely, the site has remained zoned for commercial development only.

Lieber’s comments came as fellow board member and Community Board 1 chairwoman Julie Menin asked the board to change the site’s designated use from commercial to residential, which would open the door for an apartment or hotel development on the lot once the Deutsche Bank building is torn down.

Menin had earlier suggested that New York University locate its planned 40-story skyscraper on Site 5 as an alternative to a proposed location on Bleecker Street, where Village residents have opposed its construction. NYU has since rejected the idea but expressed possible interest in the site for part of its expansion.
She has also advocated for a performing arts center—now slated for the World Trade Center site—to be relocated to Site 5.

“I just feel like we’re sitting on this and we don’t have a plan,” Menin said. “I think it’s well understood that there’s not going to be a demand for office space, given the towers that are already being built.”

“There is an interest from developers all over the city to build it as a residential or hotel development,” she added.

Any change to the site’s permitted use would require an environmental review and approval by the city’s Planning Commission, LMDC president David Emil said during the June 24 meeting. Both Emil and board chairman Avi Schick said they agreed with Menin that it was time to reevaluate what kind of building will go on the site.

“It can be done, and it probably should be done,” Emil said.

“[The site is] an asset that we hold in the public trust for the community,” board chairman Avi Schick said, “and I think we want to make sure that we engage with the community as we figure out what the best and highest use for that asset is.”

Nevertheless, Lieber, who will leave city government later this summer, called soliciting offers for residential construction a “useless exercise.” He said he believed demand for commercial space at the World Trade Center site would someday exceed the capacity of the three office towers—including the Port Authority’s 1,776-foot-tall tower at One World Trade Center—currently planned for the area.

“I think we’re way too early to think about changing the use,” Lieber said. “The more we mess around with this and create uncertainty around it, the more complicated it’s going to be to get those tenants to come down to Lower Manhattan and occupy that space.
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Good thinking Mr. Lieber.
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Where's tower 6???
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Where's tower 6???
There is no "tower" 6.
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There could possibly be a building 6(Performing Arts Center) once the plan rolls through. Because really? 1,2,3,4,5, and 7?
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There could possibly be a building 6(Performing Arts Center) once the plan rolls through. Because really? 1,2,3,4,5, and 7?
There are a few buildings there that could be "6". Only 1 and 2 of the original complex on site were skyscrapers.
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Meanwhile, as a fight over demolition costs goes on, the Deutsche Bank building continues to shrink...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/06/ny...he.html?src=mv



The remaining floors of the former Deutsche Bank building at 130 Liberty Street in July.
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That view without the building will be a little weird. For 9 years now we were used to seeing this shrouded building and its scar as a reminder of what took place here.
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Well, it has to be shorter than Tower 4, because Libeskind incorporated it into his ascending swirl concept.
Who cares about his concept anymore? They're not even building Tower 2 and Tower 3.
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Who cares about his concept anymore? They're not even building Tower 2 and Tower 3.
You haven't been paying attention lately, have you?
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You haven't been paying attention lately, have you?
LOL, people generally comment before reading most things here.


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Ward, though, said he envisioned that Tower 5 could follow in the footsteps of the Time Warner Center, which contains offices, condos, a hotel and retail space.

If the Port Authority keeps its options open and works with developers to make the project successful, “something will happen well before 10 years,” Ward said.
With things coming to a close at the Freedom Tower site, (Durst has been selected), look for the Port Authority to ramp up its efforts here.
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Meanwhile, as a fight over demolition costs goes on, the Deutsche Bank building continues to shrink...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/06/ny...he.html?src=mv



The remaining floors of the former Deutsche Bank building at 130 Liberty Street in July.
So which of those buildings is the one being demolished?
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So which of those buildings is the one being demolished?
The one in the center, with the blue/blackish shroud...
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