PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread IX - Page 693

allovertown · #**13841** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 12:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by mcgrath618

I don't think Phoenix will overtake us this year, but if they do, I will be mighty mad.
I honestly think the first places to be annexed would be Chester and Upper Darby, as both of those are pretty much the city already

Upper Darby is directly adjacent to Philly. But Chester is separated from Philly by about 10 miles and a half dozen or so towns... so not sure I follow your thinking there.

Regarding Phoenix, who cares? Let em have it. Has anyone ever been there before? It's a total non entity and regardless of what any census says, clearly a much smaller city.

mcgrath618 · #**13842** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 12:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by allovertown

Upper Darby is directly adjacent to Philly. But Chester is separated from Philly by about 10 miles and a half dozen or so towns... so not sure I follow your thinking there.

Regarding Phoenix, who cares? Let em have it. Has anyone ever been there before? It's a total non entity and regardless of what any census says, clearly a much smaller city.

I think my understanding of where Chester is was maybe a bit off...

CCGuy · #**13843** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 1:27 AM**

Daario- Good luck at Philly U! They are doing terrific work there. Study hard and help make Philly even better

1487 · #**13844** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 12:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by allovertown

Upper Darby is directly adjacent to Philly. But Chester is separated from Philly by about 10 miles and a half dozen or so towns... so not sure I follow your thinking there.

Regarding Phoenix, who cares? Let em have it. Has anyone ever been there before? It's a total non entity and regardless of what any census says, clearly a much smaller city.

yeah it's not really fair when its 500 sq miles and low density. I don't think it's even a city by the true definition.

Gonzo the Great · #**13845** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 12:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by allovertown

Upper

Regarding Phoenix, who cares? Let em have it. Has anyone ever been there before? It's a total non entity and regardless of what any census says, clearly a much smaller city.

This list of tallest buildings in Phoenix ranks skyscrapers and high-rises in the U.S. city of Phoenix, Arizona, by height. The tallest building in the city is the 40-story Chase Tower with only 38 floors being occupiable, which rises 483 feet (147 m) and was completed in 1972. It is also the tallest building in the state of Arizona. The second-tallest building in the city and the state is the US Bank Center, which rises 407 feet (124 m). Of the 20 tallest buildings in Arizona, 18 are located in Phoenix.

So yes , not the tallest twig on the tree and maybe it's 518 sq.mi. has a lot to do with it's current population .
Please understand , I was not posting my thoughts about Philly's population ( past , present or future ) as a
competition with other cities . My post was based on population projections and where I hope Philly will be in
the next 10/15 years .

br323206 · #**13846** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 1:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by mcgrath618

I think my understanding of where Chester is was maybe a bit off...

Not sure we'd want Chester anyway. We'd be getting a fiscal mess and very little potential for future development. I'd only take Chester if all of Delco came along with it.

Justin7 · #**13847** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 1:42 PM**

Yes, let's imitate shitty sprawling cities in order to maintain/increase our completely pointless population rank. Good plan.

Philly Fan · #**13848** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 2:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Justin7

Yes, let's imitate shitty sprawling cities in order to maintain/increase our completely pointless population rank. Good plan.

Yeah, unlike Boson (pop. 667,000) and San Francisco (pop. 865,000), which have really dropped in national and international prestige and appeal because they failed to do just that.

br323206 · #**13849** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 2:58 PM**

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Yes, let's imitate shitty sprawling cities in order to maintain/increase our completely pointless population rank. Good plan.

I don't think we should become Houston or anything--but I do wish we could annex some of the wealthier inner suburbs to expand our tax base.

jsbrook · #**13850** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 4:01 PM**

Bigger is not better. More density, jobs, wealth, tax base, development, public spaces, etc... is better. Annexing suburbs won't accomplish any of these things. Especially because prosperous, successful suburbs have no interest in being annexed.

jsbrook · #**13851** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 4:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by br323206

I don't think we should become Houston or anything--but I do wish we could annex some of the wealthier inner suburbs to expand our tax base.

Those suburbs have no interest. I would say we would be better off severing some of the poorer neighborhoods in the city and letting them become suburbs. But that is both cruel and equally untenable. Neither are happening.

br323206 · #**13852** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 4:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by jsbrook

Those suburbs have no interest. I would say we would be better off severing some of the poorer neighborhoods in the city and letting them become suburbs. But that is both cruel and equally untenable. Neither are happening.

Oh sure. Definitely not actually going to happen. Just saying--in a perfect world.

Lower Merion has a density of 2,400 people per square mile. The bustling "city" of Jacksonville, FL (pop. 868,000) has a density of less than half that. The density of Lower Merion is very similar to Charlotte and right between Indianapolis and Austin.

Redddog · #**13853** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 4:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by jsbrook

Those suburbs have no interest. I would say we would be better off severing some of the poorer neighborhoods in the city and letting them become suburbs. But that is both cruel and equally untenable. Neither are happening.

C'mon. Who wouldn't want to be annexed with the only possible difference being that they have to pay city tax?

It's a sweetheart deal!

Knight Hospitaller · #**13854** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 5:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Redddog

C'mon. Who wouldn't want to be annexed with the only possible difference being that they have to pay city tax?

It's a sweetheart deal!

Not so "sweet" if you count the soda tax. You'll have to pry my Diet Mountain Dew from my cold, dead fingers.

SEFTA · #**13855** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 5:17 PM**

I always go by the metro area rankings. City figures are very skewed by sq/mile. and should not be basis for federal funding.

Knight Hospitaller · #**13856** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 5:25 PM**

^ Even that can be screwy, as has been previously mentioned here. Allentown is lumped in with NYC for crying out loud.

kingtut · #**13857** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 6:31 PM**

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/03/16/philadelphia-feds-factory-gauge-jumps-in-march.html Good news on the employment front . Philly manufacturing on a very positive up swing .

McBane · #**13858** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 8:46 PM**

Perhaps the wrong thread, but I'll post it here anyway: http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/...orhoods-gentrification-inga-saffron.html

Interesting commentary nonetheless and here's where I stand:

The majority of Philadelphia's housing stock are small old homes that may be enough for students and young families but by and large a family today desires more than the typical 1,000 to 1,200 square foot home. Besides fixing up schools and reducing crime, if you want families to stay in the city, you need more housing options. Somewhere between million dollar new construction in Center City and its environs and cheap air lites in the Northeast, you need a middle ground: affordable homes that offer modern conveniences (like a first floor bathroom, a master bathroom, a basement with 8 foot ceilings, and generally more elbow room) but yet still conform to urban concepts. Whereas rowhomes under 1200 s.f. are ubiquitous, it can be a challenge to find homes in the 2,000 s.f. range in middle class neighborhoods.

summersm343 · #**13859** Posted **Mar 16, 2017, 9:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by Daario

I don't know if this is the best place to put this, but I just want to thank you guys. The fact that this forum has managed to withstand all the political/cultural wars is amazing, and kudos to summersm for keeping this place about Philadelphia and the built environment. It's great finding niches of my interest online that manage to withstand all the bs online.

On another note, this forum has really pushed my interest in Architecture and Urban Planning. I'm going to be studying Architecture at Philadelphia University this fall. I'm honestly really hype.

Thank you! I don't deserve all of the compliments though, we have a pretty good crowd here. They haven't needed too much moderating

Good luck with the studies on Architecture at PhillyU! Glad you'll be doing something you have an interest in

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