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Old Posted Feb 27, 2019, 8:45 PM
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Time to end the machine. Plain and simple. Peckwinkle is an old school pay to play/patronage politician through and through. For a city finally taking substantial steps to clean up corruption, electing her would be a major step backwards.
I could understand this being a reason, its part of the reason I may support Lori in the runoff but too many people here have favorited candidates who were just as if not more connected to the machine over her for this to be the general consensus.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2019, 9:03 PM
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I could understand this being a reason, its part of the reason I may support Lori in the runoff but too many people here have favorited candidates who were just as if not more connected to the machine over her for this to be the general consensus.
True... in theory... for those who voted for Daley... but in the end I felt that: a) holding Daley's family against him was not entirely fair, b) I thought he would be good for business, and c) I liked his work with the Obama administration. So given the dearth of great candidates, on balance, I went with the guy I knew.

With Peckwinkle we have hard evidence of her being a machine politician. She was exposed through her bodyguard and head of security. I found him to be very credible. The fact that he was caught using a county vehicle to secretly campaign for one of Peckwinkle's cronies provided considerable evidence of the way she operates. Add in her ties to Burke and you have all the ingredients for just the kind of behavior we are trying to get rid of. This, to me, was hard evidence. The evidence against Daley was more speculative in nature.

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Old Posted Feb 27, 2019, 6:27 PM
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CTU is tainted by the legacy of Karen Lewis, and I can understand how that might leave a bad taste in people's mouths. I don't think that endorsement or any other for that matter is going to affect the way she leads. Her position on schools is more community focused whereas Rahm's was economic-focused. This disconnect from a community focused outlook on leading the city is why Rahm won't serve a third term. Clearly, Chicago is seeking a leader that sees more than just downtown and economic factors as important. I also think Preckwinkle, more than any other candidate, is willing to make the hard choices needed to put this city's finances back on track because she has done it with the County. All that said, I also think Lori is a good candidate as well and shares many of the same qualities; if she wins, I think her and Preckwinkle will work closely together.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2019, 7:07 PM
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This is a fact that has been totally overlooked with all the discussion of "wow Chicago will see it's first African American Woman Mayor". Lightfoot would also be Chicago's first LGBTQ mayor.

I'd like to think that, in today's era and a race between two black women, not a whole lot of people are going to be motivated by sexual orientation. Maybe I'm ignorant though...
I'm gay and I don't think the fact that she's lesbian will play much of a role. Perhaps in some wards, but not most. I think the fact that she isn't really part of the Machine will carry far more weight than her sexuality. Heck, I think the fact that she's a graduate of the University of Chicago will carry more weight than her sexuality. I think if she were a man, it might at least a little bit more of a liability, because in terms of broad public opinion, I think gay men still suffer more from negative stigma than lesbian women do.

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^ I'm unclear how Lightfoot will perform in Daley/Joyce (cop/white ethnic) wards, though.

Her relationship to the police department during her career puts her at odds with both rank-and-file cops, and the Black community at large. Cops see her as an enemy of the police, while Black voters see her as a an ally of the police. Her sexual orientation doesn't endear her to these groups, either, which tend toward a more conservative social view. I expect the Black community at large to go for Preckwinkle... for the white ethnics, I think they've got more of a dilemma. Both candidates will be in the uncomfortable position of courting white ethnics who are loathe to see any Black mayor.

I also expect to see both candidates focus on Latino wards as the key swing group in this election, since their only representative candidate Mendoza was eliminated and they're definitely not a lock for Preckwinkle.
Lightfoot did very well in "liberal white" districts from what I saw on TV last night. I think anyone who looks at what Lightfoot did when it comes to her involvement with police will realize that she did more to hold police to account than almost anyone else. I certainly think a reasonable person could conclude that Lightfoot will do more to promote racial equity than Preckwinkle will (or has).

Preckwinkle may be considered the machine candidate that city workers would normally vote for. But city workers have to live through machine politics, too. They are impacted by police corruption, too. They are most likely to be hit doubly hard by the pension issues (higher taxes, and uncertainty about whether they'll receive what they'd been promised), so they want someone with intelligent plans to address them, not just more of the same. So, given the times, I'm not convinced that they'll just all automatically go with who the Machine tells them to go with. Burke won in his ward, but with only 55%, and I don't think outside of his ward anyone respects him. Preckwinkle's association with him may not be as much of a smoking gun as some would say, but it's certainly not the best look for her.

Personally, I don't think Preckwinkle is many people's second choice, so a high percentage of people who would ever vote for her, have already voted for her. If I'm right about that, Lightfoot could end up winning 60/40.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2019, 7:59 PM
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Heck, I think the fact that she's a graduate of the University of Chicago will carry more weight than her sexuality.
Both candidates went to UChicago, so it's hard to see how that will play a role (Preckwinkle for undergrad/ masters, Lightfoot for law school)!
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I was just at a multifamily housing conference over lunch, and the couple of developers I talked to seemed to be under the impression both candidates support increasing the ARO significantly (someone said 30%). Has anyone else heard this? I can't find any record of either Lightfoot or Preckwinkle talking about ARO specifically.
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I was just at a multifamily housing conference over lunch, and the couple of developers I talked to seemed to be under the impression both candidates support increasing the ARO significantly (someone said 30%). Has anyone else heard this? I can't find any record of either Lightfoot or Preckwinkle talking about ARO specifically.
I think I read that Lightfoot is in favor of it. I'm sure Prekwinkle is too.

Here's a link to Crains questionnaire. It has a link to Lighfoot's affordable housing proposal.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/gove...lori-lightfoot
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CTU is tainted by the legacy of Karen Lewis, and I can understand how that might leave a bad taste in people's mouths. I don't think that endorsement or any other for that matter is going to affect the way she leads. Her position on schools is more community focused whereas Rahm's was economic-focused. This disconnect from a community focused outlook on leading the city is why Rahm won't serve a third term. Clearly, Chicago is seeking a leader that sees more than just downtown and economic factors as important. I also think Preckwinkle, more than any other candidate, is willing to make the hard choices needed to put this city's finances back on track because she has done it with the County. All that said, I also think Lori is a good candidate as well and shares many of the same qualities; if she wins, I think her and Preckwinkle will work closely together.
Toni is willing to make “tough” choices?

Is that what the CTU is expecting her to do?

Was the Soda Tax an example of a “tough” choice? All she had to do was to fire some worthless Government workers (by the way—have any of you been affected by their abscence?) who sat around getting great pay and benefits to do nothing, but instead she decided to pass a horribly regressive and widely unpopular tax. And it thankfully blew up in her face.

That’s what she’s all about—the best measure of future behavior is past behavior, lesson 101.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2019, 8:05 PM
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Toni is willing to make “tough” choices?

Is that what the CTU is expecting her to do?

Was the Soda Tax an example of a “tough” choice? All she had to do was to fire some worthless Government workers (by the way—have any of you been affected by their abscence?) who sat around getting great pay and benefits to do nothing, but instead she decided to pass a horribly regressive and widely unpopular tax. And it thankfully blew up in her face.

That’s what she’s all about—the best measure of future behavior is past behavior, lesson 101.
I think the County's shrinking budget deficit and credit rating speaks for itself. She has put in place several reforms to begin to straighten out the County's budget and we are better off for it. I didn't like the sugar tax either but the reality is it's no better than the bag tax which was also a money-grab. No one is calling for Rahm's head over the bag tax. The implementation of the sugar tax was horrible, several localities have a version of a sugar tax in place already. Preckwinkle has also cut over 2,000 county jobs over her tenure in an effort to correct the budget, I'm sure the unions were not pleased about that.

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I think the County's shrinking budget deficit and credit rating speaks for itself..
That’s what you get when property taxes go up year after year after year after year after year and you see a massive boom in construction in the core of the County causing even more gobs of money to fill up County coffers.

None of that is due to Preckwinkle. All of that is because her archrival Rahm Emanuel broadcast to the world that Chicago is open for business. We’ve got talent, great food, great architecture, and we want you to work and live here. And that’s what happened.

Preckwinkle, and I promise you this, will send the exact opposite message if she wins. She doesn’t understand what makes Chicago great. But I’ll give you a hint—it’s not keeping schools with 5 kids in them open just so that the teachers can keep drawing a salary.
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That’s what you get when property taxes go up year after year after year after year after year and you see a massive boom in construction in the core of the County causing even more gobs of money to fill up County coffers.

None of that is due to Preckwinkle. All of that is because her archrival Rahm Emanuel broadcast to the world that Chicago is open for business. We’ve got talent, great food, great architecture, and we want you to work and live here. And that’s what happened.

Preckwinkle, and I promise you this, will send the exact opposite message if she wins. She doesn’t understand what makes Chicago great. But I’ll give you a hint—it’s not keeping schools with 5 kids in them open just so that the teachers can keep drawing a salary.
She also flip flopped on the Stroger tax increase. And did she really eliminate County jobs?
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Considering Houston twice elected a lesbian as mayor, and Catholic-oriented South Bend has a gay man as its mayor, I would hope (and expect) the fact that Lightfoot is a lesbian will not hinder her prospects of winning in April.
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I love how everyone here is ignoring that Wilson, the most conservative person running, won some of the blackest areas of town and some of the poorest.

Maybe poor black people actually like anti-crime/pro-growth ideas?
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I love how everyone here is ignoring that Wilson, the most conservative person running, won some of the blackest areas of town and some of the poorest.

Maybe poor black people actually like anti-crime/pro-growth ideas?
Great point. Doesn't fit the narrative though.
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I love how everyone here is ignoring that Wilson, the most conservative person running, won some of the blackest areas of town and some of the poorest.

Maybe poor black people actually like anti-crime/pro-growth ideas?
Can you refresh us on the anti-crime/pro-growth ideas that Wilson presented?

Let's not forget that Wilson literally hands out $100 bills to people. I would think that plays well in some of the poorest areas of town where, as you mention, he performed well.
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Can you refresh us on the anti-crime/pro-growth ideas that Wilson presented?

Let's not forget that Wilson literally hands out $100 bills to people. I would think that plays well in some of the poorest areas of town where, as you mention, he performed well.
I could see the issue there, but apparently hes been doing this forever.

And look at his website vs the two ladies who are going to be in the runoff. The tone alone is incredibly different.
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Here is Willie Wilson's conservative platform:

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----10 POINT PLAN----

Create Safe Neighborhoods:
• End Carjackings
• Re-open Community Mental Health Centers
No More Property Tax Increases:
• Property Tax Freeze
Re-open Closed Schools:
• Elected School Board
Legalize Recreational Marijuana:
• Tax It
• Make it Safe
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• Create Small Businesses, Community Based Grants
• Fairness in Contracts and Jobs
• End Homelessness
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• Honest Government
• Progressive City Council
Support Sanctuary Cities
End Police Brutality:
• No More Laquan McDonald Cover Ups
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• Seniors Ride CTA Free
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• Citizen Owned Casino +$1B (est.)
• Marijuana Tax +$1B (est)
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Here is Willie Wilson's conservative platform:
Compare that to the other peoples websites...

In rural Arkansas he would be a socialist. But in Chicago, he was arguably the most conservative. Hence he was the most conservative candidate and poor blacks seem to like his message.

And he was endorsed by the Cook county GOP?
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Compare that to the other peoples websites...

In rural Arkansas he would be a socialist. But in Chicago, he was arguably the most conservative. Hence he was the most conservative candidate and poor blacks seem to like his message.

And he was endorsed by the Cook county GOP?
He voted for Trump and Rauner.
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That seems to be the go-to response, just LOL @ conservatives instead of actually say something of substance.
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