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Old Posted Feb 15, 2009, 5:08 AM
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You bet it's too bad. Watch and wait; I wouldn't be surprised if Seattle doesn't pick up that route, just the way they caught up with us with Lufthansa to Frankfurt and surpassed us with Air France to Paris CDG. The reality is, that great as Vancouver is, it just isn't a BIG enough city with a big enough market to warrant all these exotic destinations, particularly in this economic climate.
     
     
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You bet it's too bad. Watch and wait; I wouldn't be surprised if Seattle doesn't pick up that route, just the way they caught up with us with Lufthansa to Frankfurt and surpassed us with Air France to Paris CDG. The reality is, that great as Vancouver is, it just isn't a BIG enough city with a big enough market to warrant all these exotic destinations, particularly in this economic climate.
Highly unlikely. If Singapore Airlines can't make Vancouver work, why would Seattle, with its far smaller Asian population, make better economic sense? Seattle itself is being hit pretty hard. Hainan Airlines launched Beijing - Seattle flights last year, and by all accounts, they are taking a bath on this route. SAS has just ended its Seattle route from Copenhagen -- and this after 40 years! In any case, Vancouver still has far more non-stops to Asia than Seattle does.

Anyway, I believe the suspension of the route was a result of (1) Korean Airlines increasing their frequency to daily on the YVR-ICN route, and (2) the inability of Singapore Airlines to increase its frequency from 3x/week to daily via Seoul under the new Canada-Singapore bilateral aviation agreement.
     
     
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I don't know if it's true, but I have heard more than once that Frankfurt Airport serves more destinations than any other airport in the world.
it's central located - i know my parents flew via there to south africa a couple times

you can fly direct from most north american cities and further south east etc from frankfurt
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2009, 9:06 PM
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more info on singapore - not just YVR has been cut

Singapore Airlines will cancel flights to Vancouver in April

By Charlie Smith

Singapore Airlines will cancel regular flights to Vancouver in April.

The International Herald Tribune has reported that the suspension is indefinite, and the last flight will be on April 25.

The airline operates three flights per week in and out of Vancouver. International air traffic has fallen in the wake of a global economic recession.

The IHT reported that Singapore Airlines had issued a statement about the cancellation of flights to Vancouver. However, the statement is not listed among the company's news releases on its Web site.

The Vancouver International Airport Authority, which operates Vancouver's major airport, had not issued a statement, as of 8:30 a.m. PST on Sunday (February 15).

Earlier this month, Singapore Airlines reported that third-quarter profits were down 42.8 percent over the same quarter a year ago.

In a news release accompanying the financial results, the company announced that flights had been cut back in the previous quarter to Manchester, Athens, Seoul, Osaka, Chennai, Bangalore, Penang, and Ho Chi Minh. Flights to Amritsar were suspended.

On January 28, Singapore Airlines announced it would reduce the number of flights each week to Bangkok, Los Angeles, London, Newark, New Delhi, Mumbai, Hyderabad, and Zurich.

The airline increased the number of flights to Shanghai and Cairo, and will commence service to Kuwait on March 15.

http://www.straight.com/article-201589/singapore-airlines-will-cancel-flights-vancouver-april
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2009, 4:48 AM
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it's central located - i know my parents flew via there to south africa a couple times

you can fly direct from most north american cities and further south east etc from frankfurt
I guess what I really mean is that Paris is a major destination in itself, as well as being a great transfer point. I'm not putting down Frankfurt; I flew through there transferring from Paris to Vancouver and back, but Paris is a a large air market - just ask the marketing department at YVR - and warrants a direct flight from Vancouver in addition to the summer charters. And CDG IS very well connected, especially within Europe. If the load factor and yield factor there are anything like they are out of Seattle, it would be worth having added to our destination roster.
     
     
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well you could say Paris is a Destination vs Frankfurt being a hub hence why frankfurt serves more destinations
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Hey I've heard about the flight cancellation....I hope it doesn't affect anyone
since they had to transfer anyways.
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Vancouver International Airport


Quite a few things to say, bear with me....

I agree, Vancouver is a great city, but quite small in terms of population compared to other cities. However, for a city its size, the airport is pretty busy.

Vancouver Metro Population: 2.1 million; Airport traffic:17 million
Paris Metro Population: 12.1 million; Airport traffic:60 million
London Metro Population: 13 million; Airport traffic:68 million
Tokyo Metro Population: 13 million; Airport traffic:67 million
San Fran Metro Population: 4.2 million; Airport traffic:36 million (Total California population - being the size of BC - over 30 million; total BC population = 4.3 million)

This sort of puts things in perspective.

Another point, YVR (the international side atleast) is one of the nicest airports in the world - very 'Zen' like; domestic side is crap

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Anybody else? ..... Which destinations would make Vancouver a TRUE international gateway?
Here are my picks (unrealistic?..perhaps, but desirable nonetheless) going around the world....(these are direct flights, both arriving and departing, flying either daily or 3x weekly, all year long, to the main airports in these cities ie. London - Heathrow; all actual planes and not just codeshares)(I'm not including charter airlines here that fly to holiday destinations like the Caribbean)

London British Airways (already have)
Paris Air France
Frankfurt Lufthansa (already have)
Madrid Swiss International
Rome Lufthansa
Amsterdam KLM (already have)
Moscow Lufthansa
Dubai Qatar
New Delhi Kingfisher (direct flight is planned using Indian 5* airliner Kingfisher)
Capetown South African
Kuala Lumpar Malaysia Airlines
Singapore Singapore Airlines (sadly, it's being cancelled)
Hong Kong Cathay Pacific (already have)
Seoul Asiana Airlines (already have Korean Air)
Tokyo Japan Airlines (already have)
Shanghai Cathay Pacific (already have China Eastern)
Beijing Asiana Airlines (already have Air China)
Auckland Air New Zealand (already have)
Sydney Qantas (already have crappy Air Canada)
Sao Paulo LAN Airlines
Mexico City Mexicana (already have)
New York United Airlines (already have crappy Air Canada)
LA, San Fran, Seattle, Chicago, Dallas, Denver Various (already have)

Preferably, all/most these flights should be either 747's or A340's (A380's perhaps); larger airplanes parked on the tarmac give the airport a better 'look'

These places would make YVR more 'international'...The list is pretty sweeet...

Soo sad to see Singapore Airlines go away. It is the world's best airline coming from the two best airports in the world (singapore, seoul). I surely hope Singapore airlines returns one day.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2009, 5:36 AM
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Cathay Pacific also will fly you to New York City in their 747 if you dislike Air Canada
     
     
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New York United Airlines (already have crappy Air Canada)

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Wait, you're talking about crappy air canada, yet you want even crappier United????
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The reality is, that great as Vancouver is, it just isn't a BIG enough city with a big enough market to warrant all these exotic destinations, particularly in this economic climate.

And Canada isn't a big enough country (population wise), to have the need of multiple international gateways
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KLM air France is making job cuts and cutting routes

the whole industry is having problems

a place like vancouver is an obvious cut for service or not to start at this moment

I don't know but I suspect most of the travel here is leisure as opposed to business where the money is in terms of setting up routes for airlines
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Wait, you're talking about crappy air canada, yet you want even crappier United????


And Canada isn't a big enough country (population wise), to have the need of multiple international gateways
Many of the final destinations are to the US. And Vancouver has a Transborder agreement with the US. So, they don't have to go through Canada Customs if they're going to the states.

The US has a big enough population.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2009, 5:11 AM
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From the way folks are talking, it looks as if we're pretty much out of the running for major new destinations, at least in the foreseeable future. Oh well, a city can have its dreams, and Vancouver certainly has its share, however grandiose and fantastic they may be. (I'd still love a Paris nonstop, though, if nothing else)
     
     
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its just not the time in the industry

hopefully things will improve but its taking a lot of hits
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Quite a few things to say, bear with me....

I agree, Vancouver is a great city, but quite small in terms of population compared to other cities. However, for a city its size, the airport is pretty busy.

Vancouver Metro Population: 2.1 million; Airport traffic:17 million
Paris Metro Population: 12.1 million; Airport traffic:60 million
London Metro Population: 13 million; Airport traffic:68 million
Tokyo Metro Population: 13 million; Airport traffic:67 million
San Fran Metro Population: 4.2 million; Airport traffic:36 million (Total California population - being the size of BC - over 30 million; total BC population = 4.3 million)

This sort of puts things in perspective.

Another point, YVR (the international side atleast) is one of the nicest airports in the world - very 'Zen' like; domestic side is crap



Here are my picks (unrealistic?..perhaps, but desirable nonetheless) going around the world....(these are direct flights, both arriving and departing, flying either daily or 3x weekly, all year long, to the main airports in these cities ie. London - Heathrow; all actual planes and not just codeshares)(I'm not including charter airlines here that fly to holiday destinations like the Caribbean)

London British Airways (already have)
Paris Air France
Frankfurt Lufthansa (already have)
Madrid Swiss International
Rome Lufthansa
Amsterdam KLM (already have)
Moscow Lufthansa
Dubai Qatar
New Delhi Kingfisher (direct flight is planned using Indian 5* airliner Kingfisher)
Capetown South African
Kuala Lumpar Malaysia Airlines
Singapore Singapore Airlines (sadly, it's being cancelled)
Hong Kong Cathay Pacific (already have)
Seoul Asiana Airlines (already have Korean Air)
Tokyo Japan Airlines (already have)
Shanghai Cathay Pacific (already have China Eastern)
Beijing Asiana Airlines (already have Air China)
Auckland Air New Zealand (already have)
Sydney Qantas (already have crappy Air Canada)
Sao Paulo LAN Airlines
Mexico City Mexicana (already have)
New York United Airlines (already have crappy Air Canada)
LA, San Fran, Seattle, Chicago, Dallas, Denver Various (already have)

Preferably, all/most these flights should be either 747's or A340's (A380's perhaps); larger airplanes parked on the tarmac give the airport a better 'look'

These places would make YVR more 'international'...The list is pretty sweeet...

Soo sad to see Singapore Airlines go away. It is the world's best airline coming from the two best airports in the world (singapore, seoul). I surely hope Singapore airlines returns one day.
Interesting list, though I can't fathom why you have selected half the airlines for their particular destinations. Why would Lufthansa fly direct Moscow-Vancouver (which I don't believe is actually possible atm) when it could funnel Vancouver passengers through one of its hubs and make more money? Same with Asiana, Qatar, LAN, Cathay etc.
     
     
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How about restoring YVR - KIX (Osaka)

ANA or JAL could do this route.

Air Canada's 787s can't come soon enough.
     
     
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Dunno, to be honest the thing I hate about YVR is not the destinations themselves, but the airlines servicing them. All of them are United-Air Canada- Air China etc etc. Terrible aren't they.
     
     
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PAL's MANILA-VANCOUVER FLIGHTS GOES 7X WEEKLY

Starting March 23, 2009, Philippines Airlines' will now offer dailly flights from Manila to Vancouver, BC utilizing A 340 aircraft. The airline currently flies five flights a week to Vancouver with continuing service to Las Vegas.

Pending FAA's lifting of Category 2 downgrade of the Philippines and with the addition of two brand new Boeing 777-300 ER aircraft by the last qurter of this year, this is how PAL's North America Schedule would look like by the peak fourth quarter of 2009 will look like:

- Manila - Los Angeles : 14x/week

One morning departure flight from Manila for LA utilizing 777 300 ER aircraft
One evening departure utilizing B744 aircraft

- Manila - San Francisco - 10x/week

Up from current 7 flight/week. The three extra flights will be utilizing PAL's A340 aircraft.

- Manila - Honolulu - 3 times/week

- Manila - Las Vegas (via Vancouver) - 4 times/week (down from current 5x/week)

- Manila - Vancouver - 7 times/week (up from current 5x/wk)

*New Service to San Diego via Vancouver - 3 times/week

We may also see additional frequencies to Guam and new service to Saipan.
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Singapore Airlines' departure a sign of turmoil in Asia
Cut of Vancouver route comes as surprise to those in industry


Ravinder Gaba, owner of Gaba Travel, says no one had predicted the cutbacks by Singapore Airlines because of its solid reputation.Photograph by: Ian Lindsay, Vancouver Sun, Vancouver Sun

Aficionados are reeling from news that Singapore Airlines is axing its 20-year-old service to Vancouver.

"We just got an e-mail that they are cancelling their flight. We never guessed it could happen," said Ravinder Gaba, a Vancouver-based travel agent who specializes in South Asia.

"I have talked to other agents and no one saw it coming. They have been here for so long. And it is a surprise, because it is a big name."

By that, Gaba means that the airline has long described itself as the world's heftiest by market cap; analysts have oft-lauded it as the best run and most profitable; and industry reviewers have consistently voted it No. 1 in many surveys.

But, of course, the mighty are stumbling all around the world and this example, in particular, gives B.C. consumers a front-seat view of the turmoil in Asia's hardest-hit economies.

While China, India and Japan have hogged most recession-in-Asia headlines, this is a rare line into Singapore and Korea.

Even before the global credit crisis, Singapore was running out of steam, according to economist Yuwa Hedrick-Wong, who is based there. "Its so-called non-oil domestic exports plunged in early 2008, largely due to its badly managed currency policy. The Singapore dollar stayed too high for too long, sapping the competitiveness of its electronic exports, and when overseas demand collapsed, the entire sector that was weak to begin with got wiped out.

"On top of it all, Temasek, the state-owned investment fund, has lost about $50 billion US in the last three years," said Hedrick-Wong in an e-mail.

Until recently, it was "run by the prime minister's wife, who is now being replaced by [Chip Goodyear] the former CEO of Australian mining company BHP. So, no stone is [being] left unturned to improve profitability of all the state owned businesses, Singapore Airlines included."

The Vancouver cut is "very sad news for me personally, as I am a frequent user of that connection," said Hedrick-Wong. He will switch over to Cathay Pacific Airways and travel via its home base in Hong Kong. Others plan to do the same when making travel plans to India, said Gaba.

There are definitely a number of other options via airlines that go through Taipei and even Frankfurt, "but Singapore used to be our gateway to Southeast Asia and South Asia," the same way Hong Kong serves mainland China, said Gaba. "It won't be the case anymore."

The Singapore-Vancouver flight picked up as much as 40 per cent of its passengers each way on a stopover in Seoul, Korea, according to Andrew Budiman, Vancouver-based vice-president Canada at Singapore Airlines.

Unfortunately, this is another Asian market that has been particularly hard hit, according to The Economist. It recently specifically singled out both Singapore and Korea in a roundup of the region's worst woes, saying that "in the fourth quarter of 2008, real GDP fell by an annualized rate of 21 per cent in South Korea and 17 per cent in Singapore."

It pointed out that: "South Korea is an exception to the rule of Asian prudence. Its households' debt amounts to 150 per cent of disposable income, even higher than in America. The banking system, which borrowed heavily abroad to finance a surge in domestic lending, has also been badly hit by the global credit crunch, making it harder for firms to finance investment."

Now, following the Vancouver announcement, Singapore Airlines said last week that it plans to cut capacity even further by 11 per cent from the preceding 12 months. So far, it hasn't said exactly which other destinations will go or be reduced.

There is a global slowdown, but the outlook definitely seems more dire for Asia-Pacific airlines. So far, at least, international passenger numbers have dropped more steeply for Asia-Pacific carriers than their counterparts.

For December 2008, Asia-Pacific airlines recorded a 9.7-per-cent decline in traffic compared to just 2.7 per cent for European and 4.3 per cent for North American airlines. Asia Pacific carriers account for 45 per cent of the world's cargo traffic and again, they led declines here, though more modestly. Singapore Airlines said its own cargo numbers have dropped over 20 per cent.

At Cathay Pacific Airways, which expects to pick up some incremental traffic from Singapore Airlines' leaving Vancouver, spokeswoman Jennifer Pearson said: "You never like to see it happen. The market conditions are difficult. There is no question of this [because of] the worldwide economy we are facing at the minute.

"We have seen a softening in our business in first class travel, but the economy class is holding up quite well. We have less flights than last year. We had three flights a day; we now have two. We are very competitive right now.

"That is the name of the game."

Asia-Pacific airlines lead declines

- Decline in December 2008 international passenger traffic numbers for:

Asia Pacific airlines

-9.7%

European airlines:

-2.7%

North American airlines:

-4.3%

- Decline in December 2008 international cargo numbers for:

Asia Pacific airlines, which move

45 per cent of world total:

-26%

European airlines:

-21%

North American airlines:

-22%

http://www.canada.com/business/fp/Singapore+Airlines+departure+sign+turmoil+Asia/1319802/story.html
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