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Old Posted Jan 22, 2015, 6:04 AM
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I think St Laurent will definitely decline. Their renovation process has been quite shoddy. They've tried to redo the entire mall at once and it has resulted in the entire building being unfinished and the parts that are being completed are not to the same standards of Rideau or even Bayshore. The other malls understood that you have to do things in stages, and you can't rip out the entire ceiling and floor in the entire building all at once. The new tiles at St Laurent also look dirty. Its definitely the third place mall and by a long shot. It should be thankful it didn't find a way to bring in a Target.
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I agree. St. Laurent, as I've stated many times before on here, has gone for the 'lipstick on a pig' approach. The new tiles look like shit. They completely redid the ceilings, yet I can't tell what's different about them. The entranceways are being redone but I think they will just give the mall an even more disjointed look from the outside. It's also a very small mall. They claim the largest GLA on the Ottawa side but that GLA includes two colleges, two large offices, a second run movie theatre, a gym, and possibly the enormous Sears warehouse under the store. They really missed the boat by cancelling their expansion.
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For those that have not been, Les Promenades is looking very good in the areas that have been completed. The new ceilings are fab and the mall will feel a whole lot better than it did in the past. Still lots of work to be done and empty space to rent. Once Simons opens there and they get a few more missing retailers I could see them skipping to #2 in the region... but only time will tell. The killer with that place is the one level, walking around the mall is like a marathon (though in reality no different that any other).
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I'm going to St-Laurent today for the first time in a month. I'm ready to be disappointed. That was THE mall my mother brought me too when I was a kid. Other than the food court renovations 6-7 odd years ago, the place has gone on a consistent downhill slope.

The Promenades renovation is bitter sweet for me; I used to go there nearly everyday when I was in High School across the street. For those not living in the past, the work they're putting in is a big step up and will place it solidly in the top four, if not top two.
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Old Posted Jan 22, 2015, 6:28 PM
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Sort of Ottawa-related, in that it bodes well for the health of the chain:

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Quebec-based Simons adds to Canadian expansion plans with second Edmonton store

The Canadian Press ~ OBJ
Published on January 22, 2015


Quebec-based Simons is adding to its Canadian expansion plans with the opening of a second store in Edmonton.

The family-owned fashion retailer is slated to open a two-level, 88,000-square-foot location in Londonberry Mall in the fall of 2017.

Simons already has a store at West Edmonton Mall.

The 175-year-old company recently announced plans to launch in Vancouver, Calgary, Mississauga, Ont., Ottawa and Gatineau, Que.

John Simons originally founded the company as a dry goods store in Quebec City in 1840.

Simons has more than 2,000 employees and offers an extensive range of apparel from moderately priced separates to higher-end offerings made by a stable of homegrown and international designers.

Simons is set to launch at Les Promenades Gatineau in Quebec in August, followed in October by an opening at Park Royal in West Vancouver.

In 2016, Simons stores will open at Square One in Mississauga in March and Ottawa's Rideau Centre in August. Simons is slated to open at The Core in Calgary in March 2017.

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Really? Wow...

Hintonburg saw a spur of people move in and businesses open, and now we're seeing a lot of these businesses close. Not looking very good for the neighbourhood.
Not true, just because a few small businesses closed in a short period (ie. last 6 months), doesn't change much in the overall scheme here. There have been new openings in the past year too (LCBO, West End Well, etc), plus a the Eddy condos will be opening soon, probably with new street level businesses, and even more condos up for construction soon (Tamarack Wellington). Also, Suzy Q donuts will be relocating to a bigger space a block over, so that whole empty lot including where it is located now along with the crappy taco place is, has big potential for development.
I live here, walk my dog regularly, and I can definitely vouch for this neighbourhood. Lots of traffic and lots of pedestrians on a daily basis and even later into the evenings. Its a hip place to be in and definitely still on the rise.
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I agree. St. Laurent, as I've stated many times before on here, has gone for the 'lipstick on a pig' approach. The new tiles look like shit. They completely redid the ceilings, yet I can't tell what's different about them. The entranceways are being redone but I think they will just give the mall an even more disjointed look from the outside. It's also a very small mall. They claim the largest GLA on the Ottawa side but that GLA includes two colleges, two large offices, a second run movie theatre, a gym, and possibly the enormous Sears warehouse under the store. They really missed the boat by cancelling their expansion.
Just got back from there. Your right, tiles look like shit. Perpetually dirty. And the ceilings, maybe a bit taller-ish... and a few skylights. Otherwise identical as before.
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The major part left for les Promenades to improve is the centre part where it used to be the main entrance to the STO bus terminal - a part of the mall that probably declined since the main stop is now across Maloney Blvd (but probably also declined when Metro (in the old Steinberg location) left and probably also after K-Mart left). I know last year there was some work around as well on the north portion of the center section.
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2015, 2:38 AM
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The major part left for les Promenades to improve is the centre part where it used to be the main entrance to the STO bus terminal - a part of the mall that probably declined since the main stop is now across Maloney Blvd (but probably also declined when Metro (in the old Steinberg location) left and probably also after K-Mart left). I know last year there was some work around as well on the north portion of the center section.
Where was the K-Mart?
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Just got back from there. Your right, tiles look like shit. Perpetually dirty. And the ceilings, maybe a bit taller-ish... and a few skylights. Otherwise identical as before.
No new skylights though, just what was there before with different casings. The mall is still horribly dark down the main sears-to-food-court corridor, the two dungeon levels, and the upper and lower level bay-to-food-court corridor.
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Just got back from there. Your right, tiles look like shit. Perpetually dirty. And the ceilings, maybe a bit taller-ish... and a few skylights. Otherwise identical as before.
I think I may have mentioned it before but do they still at St Laurent have the signs all over the mall that tell workers not to carry heavy boxes and pallets/skids on dollies in the mall (as it will break the tiles?) It looked like this restriction will be permanent, which is kinda dumb. Why would you pick such fragile tiles for a mall where you know there will be deliveries and such? Isn't there some kind of standard for this stuff?
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Where was the K-Mart?
This may be wrong as it was long before I moved to Gatineau but I seem to recall the K-mart being at the west end of the mall where the Costco is now.

That space was first a K-Mart, then an Eaton's (Les Promenades was once bookended by both an Eaton's and a Bay) and then a few other temporary tenants (like a clearance furniture stores, etc.), and then Costco.
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Actually, the Eaton was always an Eaton and originally opened as such. The KMart is where the Mega Meubles, Laura and tax office recently vacated as well as Archambault. Same spot where Simons will open this summer.
The Eaton went on to be several clearance centres before being demolished to build Costco.
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Actually, the Eaton was always an Eaton and originally opened as such. The KMart is where the Mega Meubles, Laura and tax office recently vacated as well as Archambault. Same spot where Simons will open this summer.
The Eaton went on to be several clearance centres before being demolished to build Costco.
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I think I may have mentioned it before but do they still at St Laurent have the signs all over the mall that tell workers not to carry heavy boxes and pallets/skids on dollies in the mall (as it will break the tiles?) It looked like this restriction will be permanent, which is kinda dumb. Why would you pick such fragile tiles for a mall where you know there will be deliveries and such? Isn't there some kind of standard for this stuff?
Didn't notice the restriction signs. That would be stupid if permanents; choose building materials that can handle the day to day mall activities.

I don't remember the Eaton's at Les Promenades, but I remember that part of the mall being completely dead during most of my years in High School, until they demolished it to build Costco around 2004-2006.
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I think I may have mentioned it before but do they still at St Laurent have the signs all over the mall that tell workers not to carry heavy boxes and pallets/skids on dollies in the mall (as it will break the tiles?) It looked like this restriction will be permanent, which is kinda dumb. Why would you pick such fragile tiles for a mall where you know there will be deliveries and such? Isn't there some kind of standard for this stuff?
The signs have been moving around with the construction. I imagine it's temporary until the tiles have completely setup, it could take a while for all the grout(?) under the tiles to harden fully given their size, and the tiles would be prone to breaking until then. I've seen UPS out with carts recently in areas of the mall that were finished a while ago.
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I don't remember the Eaton's at Les Promenades, but I remember that part of the mall being completely dead during most of my years in High School, until they demolished it to build Costco around 2004-2006.
The Eaton opened at Les Promenades, I would say, around 1988. It closed around 1997, ahead of the rest of the chain, probably because of performance. And yes, that end of the mall was dead for years until they finally opened Costco and Sports Experts there. (The Sports Experts used to be where the Clément store is now)
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New zoning scheme for neighbourhood businesses fraught with NIMBY worries

Joanne Chianello, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: January 23, 2015, Last Updated: January 23, 2015 5:26 PM EST


It originally started out as a way to save the disappearing local corner store.

But at some point, the city’s planning department expanded the idea of protecting beloved neighbourhood smoke shops and pizza joints to identifying hundreds more locations where micro-businesses might open in otherwise residential neighbourhoods.

You can imagine homeowners’ shock when they recently received letters informing them that the city was considering rezoning their property– the first many of them had ever heard of the proposal, even though the city has been reaching out for the past year.

“Astounded, absolutely astounded,” is how Bev Wagner described her reaction to the news. She’s lived on a quiet residential street for 55 years, right across from Balena Park in Alta Vista. Suddenly, a business might be able to open up right next door.

“It’s just that I’m afraid someone will put a restaurant in there. I admit it, I’m a NIMBY!”

Wagner, and the 80 other folks who showed up to this week’s public meeting, are right to want some specific answers about the city’s plans. The Citizen’s Joanne Chianello explains the details, the pros, cons and why the unique zoning scheme is ultimately a good idea.

The point of the proposed residential-commercial rezoning

About 70 corner stores are grandfathered into established communities zoned exclusively for homes. If a convenience store closes or its owner dies, it’s often difficult to keep the shop as a shop — the property’s use automatically switches to residential. In other cases, the tiny store can only persist from owner to owner if the use stays the same (for example, a food-based business can be replaced by a food-based business but not a dressmaker’s shop).

The proposed “residential-commercial” zoning — the first of its kind in Ontario, if not the country — would permanently designate these properties as commercial, permitting a number of uses.

The controversy

Rezoning the 70 existing shops is welcomed by pretty much everyone. The problem is with the second, much-less understood part of this plan to rezone about 300 existing homes, thus creating the potential to add hundreds of micro-retail locations in residential neighbourhoods of six inner-city wards: Rideau-Vanier, Rideau-Rockcliffe, Alta Vista, Capital, Somerset and Kitchissippi.

Restrictions on proposed commercial uses

The new micro-businesses could be anything from a retail store to a shoe-repair shop to a small restaurant, but would be limited to a maximum floor space of 100 square metres (or about 1,000 square feet). Someone must actually live in the building. The business cannot provide any parking, either for employees or customers (so folks wouldn’t be allowed to pave their front lawns). City planners want to allow outdoor seating, originally proposing a 30-metre-square maximum patio area, but planner Andrew McCreight said that’s off. At Wednesday’s meeting, staff cordoned off a 15-meter-square rectangle to help folks visualize how large that might be — and it’s fairly significant, able to seat 15 or 16 people. “That may be a little big as well,” said McCreight.

How locations were chosen

The bulk of the proposed locations fall under the “corridor” category: staff identified segments of residential streets where a micro-business could work. These corridors — there are eight — already have lots of pedestrian and cycling traffic and are close to transit. So in theory, an entire previously residential block could house all commercial operations. Highly unlikely, but possible.

About 20 properties are in smaller clusters, located often on a street that is already partly commercial. In a few instances, staff included homes near parks or schools where there’s already lots of foot traffic. That’s how Bev Wagner’s home by Balena Park came to be on the list.

Property taxes

On the city-side, it’s fairly simple: as long as you’re using your home as a residence, you pay the residential property tax rate. As soon as you open up a business, you start to pay the commercial rate. But what about future property assessments, set by the Municipal Property Assessment Corp.? What’s to stop MPAC from giving your home a higher value if it’s zoned commercial — hence, leading to higher property taxes — even if you never run a business from your home? No one knows.

Parking and traffic

Simply by dint of their size and parking restrictions, the new businesses are expected to serve mostly the surrounding neighbours who are expected to arrive on foot or by bicycle. The point of this new zoning is to help budding entrepreneurs who can’t afford mainstreet storefront rent to launch small businesses — they aren’t expected to become “destinations” for the entire city.

A restaurant on a residential street is of particular concern to many. After all, a 100-square-metre indoor space plus a 15-square-metre patio could potentially seat 40 people. “That’s too many,” agreed McCreight. Setting a smaller maximum space for both the business and the outdoor seating areas might allay the community’s fears they’ll be inundated by cars.

What’s next

When you’re planning to change the zoning for literally hundreds of homeowners, you need to err on the side of over-consultation. As many property owners have only recently heard of this plan for the first time, they (and surrounding businesses) need more time to hash out what this all means.

It’s unlikely this item will appear on a planning committee agenda in April, which city officials were shooting for. (Kitchissippi Coun. Jeff Leiper is already asking for the issue “be put off while we figure out all the implications.”) It’s also unlikely all the properties identified by the city will make final cut.

But pursuing the innovative zoning is worthwhile. Sure, the bugs need to be worked out, but when is a completely new idea perfect right out of the gate? We should applaud these planners for trying to encourage budding entrepreneurs while making our neighbourhoods a little more interesting, and a little more convenient.

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Future Shop at Gloucester Centre is closing on Thursday...All open box/demo/clearance is 50% off. The retail exodus continues!!
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Future Shop at Gloucester Centre is closing on Thursday...All open box/demo/clearance is 50% off. The retail exodus continues!!
It's one thing to loose the store, but it's another to think about the workers who are all now unemployed.

The retail market is only so big. Where are these folks going to get new jobs?
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