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Old Posted Apr 13, 2007, 3:54 PM
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I went to the Utah Grand Prix there last year and loved it. The track is pretty amazing but the grandstands do need some work. I'd say that Larry Miller was just putting in the current grandstands as a start and that better/bigger ones will be built in the future. Hopefully in the near future.
     
     
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off topic,... but wouldn't you guys like to see a Larry H. Miller Tower downtown? That dude is one of the few here who could do it. I wonder why he hasn't stepped forward and tryed to capitalize on what is happening downtown. He certainly has a thing for getting his name out in the public eye, a tower would basically serve as his monument and make it so no utahin could ever forget him and all that he's done. ... I know it is a little different business than he is usually in, but didn't he build those offices at Jordan Commons?
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2007, 8:07 PM
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oh yeah welcome to the forum Max. Glad to see more people up on here. That video you made is real nice. Keep it up! You and SLC Projects are like the scrapbookers for Salt Lake Development. Cool stuff.
     
     
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haha.. Larry H Miller, the Donald Trump of Utah? I like it.. build a tower Larry!
     
     
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Miller would never build downtown...he seems to be stuck in a suburban mindset. I still remember when he wanted to build a new baseball stadium out in Sandy.
     
     
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The sad thing is Larry H. Miller already has a tower. It's 10-stories and it's at the east end of the Jordan Commons. I remember when that tower was build. I was 19 and I would think why the hell would anyone want to build a Tower in Sandy. I just thought it was kind of weird.
But it's the tallest building in Sandy so I guess it gives that city something to be proud of.
But comrade is right, Larry will never build a Tower or anything for that matter downtown.
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It still looks weird having a tower in Sandy. But that's nothing compared to how weird the Frank Ghery project is going to look life if/when it gets built.
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2007, 1:55 AM
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yeah that 10 story tower are the offices I was talking about at Jordan Commons. It looks like a very suburban tower to me. Maybe it is just all the infrastructure around it...I think the Gehry project will be spectacular. I wish it was going in downtown of course if we could fit it in some where, but I am still happy about it. It is such a HUGE project that it is almost as if Brandit Anderson is hiring him to build an entire city for him. ... speaking of which he seems to be another person who could afford to have his own signature tower in downtown. ... haha.

I live in downtown and I do alot of walking around the neighborhoods here. I can't help but notice how much potential there is down here. I know soo many people who would like to live down here too, they are just wanting out for the right place to live in. South temple, 200 East and 300 East already have the ingredients to make beautiful mid rise urban condo/apartment neighborhoods with historic churches and homes inbetween. .. we have spurts of them all around down here. I wish that developers would focuss on synergy and connecting the row on the north side of south temple, replacing abandoned office buildings and unurban developments along this street (like the tire shop, that building to the west of it and across the street to the east) with more of these rows with street level retail. Tree lined streets, local coffee shops etc. etc. So much is already there it just needs connection.


I also think it would be a really good gesture for our downtown economy if the city built some big parking structures on blocks with high frequency (like pierpoint ave off of west temple, and pierpoint ave. off of 300 west.) and other areas like these and make parking free. Or part of a validation program with the restaraunts and businesses along these areas. Right now these areas are FULL of cars on FLAT Surface parking lots that could otherwise be developed into beautiful urban oasis'es that create synergy among the capitol.


just my two cents. I'm in a rambling mood today. haha. sorry.
     
     
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West Jordan -

KraftMaid is in the midst of ramping up its new 840,000 square-foot plant, a facility that eventually is expected to employ some 1,300 Utahns.



Other businesses prepare for cabinet company opening
By Steven Oberbeck
The Salt Lake Tribune


Bill Stone, warehouse manager for 3rd Dimension, a forklift past stacks of boxes in the West Jordan facility. The company will provide the corregated boxes, foam packaging and some storage facility for KraftMaid. (Ryan Galbraith/The Salt Lake Tribune )

Utah's successful courtship of KraftMaid Cabinetry is paying big dividends for West Jordan.
Along with its selection two years ago as the site for the massive cabinet-making facility, the city also is enjoying the presence of two additional manufacturers that are ready to support KraftMaid's operations.
"It was one of those things that everyone expected to happen after KraftMaid announced where they intended to build," said Tom Burdett, West Jordan's community development director. "But it is still nice to see it actually taking place."
KraftMaid is in the midst of ramping up its 840,000 square-foot plant, a facility that eventually is expected to employ some 1,300 Utahns.
Once production is fully under way at the Middlefield, Ohio-based cabinetmaker's new West Jordan plant, the new 3rd Dimension facility will be poised to do its part. And so too will the operations at nearby Woodcraft Industries.
"As they [KraftMaid] ramp up we'll be right there to support them," said 3rd Dimension's plant manager Michael Loyet.
The Geneva, Ohio-based 3rd Dimension is a supplier of corrugated boxes and foam-packaging materials, Loyet said. It's Utah plant now employs 15 - a number that is expected to climb above 40 employees as KraftMaid increases its cabinet production.
Woodcraft Industries launched operations at its plant several weeks ago. The plant now employs 20 Utahns. It makes cabinet doors, and as the KraftMaid plant increases is production volume, Woodcraft too will step up its support, spokeswoman Sheila Krogman said.
The St. Cloud, Minn.-based Woodcraft is major supplier to other KraftMaid plants, so when they announced they would be opening in Utah it was an easy "mutual" decision for the company to follow with its own facility, she said.
Still another manufacturer - Conestoga Wood Specialties, a Pennsylvania-based maker of wood door-and-cabinet components - recently launched production at its new Utah plant as well. Instead of West Jordan, however, its new 115,000-square-foot operation is based in Tooele.
The new Tooele plant is expected to employ close to 180 Utahns within the next three years.
Conestoga's Steve Holcomb, director of sales and marketing, in mid-2006 said the company has been shipping tens of millions of dollars worth of products to its customer in the West for years. "It just reached the point where we felt we could better serve our customers by locating a facility within the region."
KraftMaid, one of Conestoga's largest customers, recommended that it build in Utah. "They spoke very highly of the state and how pleased they were with the area and the work ethic of the labor force," Holcomb said.
West Jordan's Burdett said the notoriety that KraftMaid's presence has brought the community also seems to have sparked a demand from other manufacturers that won't be directly serving the cabinet maker.
He said over the past 18 months the city issued building permits for the construction of some 700,000 square feet of new manufacturing and industrial space.
"It is more than double what we'd typically see."
     
     
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Construction booming in Utah

With no end in sight for regional building projects, workers are in hot demand

By Jenifer K. Nii
Deseret Morning News
Utah's economy is the single strongest state economy in the nation, according to one Utah economist. And the single strongest sector within that economy is construction.


Mike Terry, Deseret MorningNews/KSL-TV Chopper 5
Not much is left of Crossroads Plaza. City Creek Center will rise in its place.

It's growing so fast that many construction companies say they can't hire fast enough to staff the jobs they've got on the docket. It's growing so fast that, according to some general contractors, projects are being delayed or redesigned to suit the available labor pool.
It's growing fast, and though the pace may slow to a trot instead of a frothing gallop, industry watchers say Utah's construction market will continue to see healthy growth for years, perhaps decades.
"From 1990 to 2000, construction employment grew by 200 percent," said Mark Knold, senior economist at the Utah Department of Workforce Services. "We went from 23,000 people employed (in construction) in January 1990 to 67,500 in January 2000. In January 2007, we project that number at 96,600."
Earlier in the decade, there was TRAX and highway construction and The Gateway, Grand America Hotel, LDS Conference Center, and Salt Lake City Library, to name a few projects in addition to the various facilities augmented or constructed for the 2002 Olympic Winter Games. Then the residential sector came apace, as homebuilding exploded, particularly in the southern part of the Salt Lake Valley and in southern Utah.
Now, with home construction fading again, the nonresidential sector is entering what is shaping up to be a record-setting period, according to James Wood, director of the Bureau of Economic and Business Research at the University of Utah.
"On the nonresidential side, we'll set an all-time record in 2007 and most likely again in 2008," Wood said. "We're going to have probably the two best years ever, coming in the next two years. In real terms, adjusted for inflation, we're back to the pre-Olympic years."
Record growth
In the first two months of 2007, nonresidential construction permits were up 43 percent over the same period last year, Wood said. To set an all-time record in the commercial building sector, the industry would have to reach the $1.8 billion mark.


Laura Seitz, Deseret Morning NewsDemolition of Crossroads Plaza's parking terrace, as seen from West Temple, was going strong in February. "I think we'll get there," Wood said. "And that's just in permit-authorized building (which includes office and industrial space, retail and some permitted government facilities). It doesn't include schools, roads, dams, highways. And there are quite a few of those."
Just in the downtown Salt Lake area, Wood said, there's 222 S. Main, a 21-story skyscraper announced by Wasatch Real Estate Partners and Hamilton Partners; a $100 million new courthouse and renovation of the Frank Moss Federal Courthouse; ongoing development at The Gateway; and renovations at the Walker Center.
"And that's in addition to City Creek," Wood said, referring to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' massive multiuse complex of office, retail and residential space. That project, now under way, has been estimated at $1 billion.
In addition, there are expansions or renovations planned at most of the Salt Lake Valley's shopping malls — from Trolley Square to South Towne Center, Valley Fair Mall to Fashion Place. There's I-15 northbound, Legacy Highway, Frontrunner and TRAX. And on and on.
"It's very typical that they come on like this — economists would call it 'lumpy,"' Wood said of the glut of projects. "With the residential sector, it's much smoother. With the nonresidential sector, you get real spikes, more volatility."
Underneath the lumpiness, though, the fundamentals are at work.
"The driving force of the whole thing is population growth," Knold said. "That comes from two places: our own birthrate and in-migration. And in-migration comes in two forms: You get in-migration from other parts of the United States and in-migration from other countries."
Over the past 10 to 15 years, Knold said the strongest economic growth has occurred in the Intermountain West: Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Idaho. So strong, in fact, as to be curious.
"You wonder why," Knold said. "It's almost as if something has changed. Why the Intermountain West?"
Fundamental change
The Industrial Revolution drew people to cities around or featuring flat roads and waterways, Knold said. Business meant producing a product — a product that had to be shipped or trucked or carried by rail to customers.


Today, Knold said, the development of interstate highways and air transportation, combined with the general movement away from the industrialized economy toward the information/technology economy, means people are discovering the delights of the previously too-remote West.
"Here, you have probably the most beautiful part of the country and the most underdeveloped," Knold said. "With the new economy, the barriers of old are breaking down. Rapidly. People are moving."
According to Jeff Thredgold, president of Thredgold Economic Associates, 70,000 more people moved into the state than moved out between 2005 and 2006. And more people means a need for more housing, more services, more amenities, more jobs.
And so, in February, Utah's already low unemployment rate found even deeper depths: 2.3 percent. Leading the way in job growth? Construction.
"Basically, if you can fog a mirror or have a heartbeat, you have a job," said Rich Thorn, president and chief executive of the Associated General Contractors of Utah. "Construction is an engine that drives the economy, and the economy is strong. We're definitely seeing manpower shortages, and it's pretty much across the board. There is no area, no sector of the industry that seems not to be struggling."
Worker shortage
But there are, according to Thorn and some local builders, some employers whose struggles are proving key. Brigham Latimer, business development manager for SIRQ Construction Solutions, a South Jordan-based commercial builder, said shortages in certain trades — steel erectors, concrete contractors and excavation companies, for example — are having an impact on what gets built and when.
"The work these trades perform are the initial phases of any project," Latimer said. "As a result, the state of a project and the speed of construction will depend on when these trades are available. Iron workers are in especially high demand, and it takes a great deal of competency to perform that kind of work ... therefore staffing takes some time.
"The effect of this demand has the potential to slow down a project or perhaps even change the design of a building to allow keep-up with the speed of construction."
As a result, SIRQ now "proactively prequalifies" subcontractors by reviewing their work programs and targeting windows of opportunity to ensure that subcontractors' schedules are matched up and projects can proceed, Latimer said.
Bruce Heckman, vice president of development for Taubman Centers Inc., a partner with the LDS Church in the City Creek development, said City Creek has not seen any changes in design because of the status of the construction industry in Utah.
The project, which is expected to span five years, currently includes three general contractors — Okland Construction, Big-D Construction and Wadsworth Brothers Construction — according to information posted near the City Creek construction site. Developers declined to estimate how many subcontractors or laborers would be involved in the project.
Rough outside estimates, however, indicate that City Creek may require around 3,000 workers per year, or as many as 12,000 over the course of the project, according to a ratio of employment-to-nonresidential valuation from the U.'s Bureau of Economic and Business Research. The numbers are gross approximations, Wood notes, though he called the estimates reasonable.
The pace of growth may ebb and flow, but Knold, Wood and Thorn all say the basic trajectory of its line extends upward. Thorn said the construction industry is likely to remain red-hot for at least the next three to five years. Knold was even more bullish.
"This isn't just a couple-of-years kind of phenomenon," Knold said. "This is a fundamental shift for the Intermountain West. The construction industry is set to have decent amounts of growth for the next two decades, at least. Not excessive growth, mind you, but the slope of the curve is up. The extrapolation forward is of a growing industry."
     
     
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off topic,... but wouldn't you guys like to see a Larry H. Miller Tower downtown? That dude is one of the few here who could do it. I wonder why he hasn't stepped forward and tryed to capitalize on what is happening downtown. He certainly has a thing for getting his name out in the public eye, a tower would basically serve as his monument and make it so no utahin could ever forget him and all that he's done. ... I know it is a little different business than he is usually in, but didn't he build those offices at Jordan Commons?

Hi, Scraper Dude,

Hey, thanks for welcoming me into the forum!

Oh, yeah, I'm pretty sure that Larry H. Miller would be about the only guy who could put up a Larry H. Miller tower, ya know, because I doubt that if Mike A. Christensen had a tower put up it would be called the Larry H. Miller tower.

Oh, yeah, heheh, thanks for complimenting Lee and me about our videos. And you're right, it does sort-of feel like doing video-scrapbooking about the CCC project. (I'm closely connected to the paper scrapbooking world, too--even though I don't build those--because my parents opened their scrapbooking supply store way back in 1981, in Spanish Fork.)

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The sad thing is Larry H. Miller already has a tower. It's 10-stories and it's at the east end of the Jordan Commons. I remember when that tower was build. I was 19 and I would think why the hell would anyone want to build a Tower in Sandy. I just thought it was kind of weird.
But it's the tallest building in Sandy so I guess it gives that city something to be proud of.
But comrade is right, Larry will never build a Tower or anything for that matter downtown.

Hey, Projects, here's a question for ya (and I hope you really will answer this one): Why do you think it's sad that Larry Miller already has a tower?

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Miller would never build downtown...he seems to be stuck in a suburban mindset. I still remember when he wanted to build a new baseball stadium out in Sandy.

Well, actually, Larry Miller did have something built right downtown. Anyone remember the arena center formerly known as Delta?

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Hey, Projects, here's a question for ya (and I hope you really will answer this one): Why do you think it's sad that Larry Miller already has a tower?

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People on the forum were talking about why Miller hasn't build a Tower. So my post we me stating that he already did build a Tower. But it was in Sandy instead of downtown. That's the sad part. It would of been better if it was build downtown and maybe build it taller then 10-stories.
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Well, actually, Larry Miller did have something built right downtown. Anyone remember the arena center formerly known as Delta?

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Oooh.... touche.
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People on the forum were talking about why Miller hasn't build a Tower.

So my post was me stating that he already did build a Tower.

But it was in Sandy instead of [Salt Lake City]. That's the sad part. It would have been better if it was built downtown [of Salt Lake, rather than in Sandy] and maybe built it taller than 10 stories.

(Wondering why the capital-t on the word "Tower" there.)


Hey, Lee,

Ohhh, yeah, okay, so I guess you're really saying that the sad thing is that even though Larry has already had a tower built, that some of us either didn't notice that or remember that (and also that it's not in Salt Lake City, but just Sandy). Right? Okay, got ya now.

Hey, when we gonna meet down by the demolition and do some team-shooting?

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.....Can it (and other videos) be uploaded on Google Video, so use fire-wall-challenged folk can watch it?

Hi, I-215,

Sorry for the delay, but here you go, I hope you can watch this video from Yahoo Video while we wait for Google to send me their e-mail address verification e-mail (which is taking a lot longer than you'd ever think it would--it's been many minutes instead of just a few seconds) so I can finish signing up on that system. I'll put the video up there soon after that happens.

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Great fun watching the demolition Maxx!!!! Especially enjoyed the munching of the escalators,"that was awesome."
     
     
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State's job growth rate remains among nation's highest as in-migration helps to stem the problems of tight labor market.

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Article Last Updated: 04/17/2007 02:34:43 PM MDT


Posted: 2:33 PM- Utah's economy was supposed to be clearly slowing down in 2007 after years of unparalleled prosperity.
Instead, job growth registered 4.5 percent for the year that ended in March, the Utah Department of Workforce Services reported today. Although the rate is down significantly from a high of 5.4 percent last June, it remains one of the highest rates of job growth nationwide.
"Utah's economy is definitely not following the script," said Mark Knold, Workforce Services economist.
Knold said the tight labor market and shortage of workers was supposed to have slowed down Utah's economy this year. Instead, job growth and other economic indicators have held steady.
"The weak national economy actually is working to our advantage. It provides an incentive for workers elsewhere to come here."
Knold said strong population growth from out-of-state is allowing employers who have exhausted the local labor pool to continue to grow instead of being stifled by positions they cannot fill.
The state's unemployment rate remains historically low. The jobless rate was 2.4 percent at the end of March, down from 3.1 percent in March 2006 and significantly lower than the national average of 4.4 percent.
Utah remains in a state of full employment - meaning almost everyone who
wants a job can find one. It may take months or even well into next year before job seekers and employers notice any difference.

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