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Was admiring the new entrance area around 2 Penn earlier, and the MSG entrance is great. It's what stands out. From that side, it would be hard to believe the actual crap that is the arena building. Dolan needs to do better.

Back to Gateway, the new Portal Bridge is making steady progress. A sign and a reminder that the new tunnel is on the way, and better days are ahead for Penn.

This video is already a couple of weeks old, but I always forget to post them.



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Penn Station task force starts push to make transit hub more residential





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March 12, 2024


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A Penn Station task force helmed by Manhattan’s Community Board 5 outlined its long-term goal of increasing housing in the station’s surrounding area and making it more of a neighborhood in coordination with the state’s transit redevelopment plan.

The Community Led Improvement Plan (CLIP) task force held its first committee meeting on March 8 that brought together a range of city and state transit and city planning agencies to discuss the community group’s goals of creating more of a mixed-use neighborhood around the transit hub.

“The Penn CLIP process offers us a new path to generate a range of housing options with a focus on affordability that will accommodate our district’s fair share of the population growth,” said David Sigman, a community board member.
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But major questions remain about the Penn Station redevelopment process. The federal government is currently conducting an NEPA review of multiple operating models for the tracks underneath the station that an Amtrak representative said would last another two years. The task force sees the interim time period as an opportunity to develop a concrete set of suggestions for when the plan is ready to move forward.

What is clear is that the community board hopes to get the state to reconsider the neighborhood plan it proposed for the transit hub district. In January, CB5 passed a resolution opposing the land use proposal that the state has advanced, arguing that the plan needs to do more to prioritize more housing.

For help, CLIP brought on an urban designer consultant named Shachi Pandey, whose specialty lies in eliciting planning ideas from neighbors and daily commuters and translating them into policy suggestions.

In Pandey’s presentation, she likened an ideal mixed-use zoning makeup for the future of the Penn Station area to that of Downtown Brooklyn, which has “several distinctly identifiable neighborhoods” that provide amenities of the people who live there.
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When Elizabeth Goldstein, the president of the Municipal Arts Society, asked if the task force was hoping for a plan that would create about 25% mix of residential buildings, as is the case in Downtown Brooklyn, CB5 chair Layla Law-Gisiko said the goal was not to be prescriptive.

“The idea is to really explore how stronger, more robust housing components can be incorporated. And also what do we mean when we say housing?” she said.

Sam Turvey, the co-coordinator of the Empire Station Coalition that is opposed to Gov. Kathy Hochul’s Penn Station plans, urged railroads to share any analysis that the railroads have on whether through-running tracks are possible, so that the task force can get a better sense of what kind of operations are possible and base its plan on that.

Petra Messick, an Amtrak program manager, said that the railroad won’t be able to start launching any plans until after the federal review concludes but “we agree we can engage prior to NEDA and we can start figuring stuff out,” she said.


The housing that these clowns say they want is coming, but no doubt they'll be against this too.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2024, 2:05 PM
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This is BIG news. Manhattan's Community Board 5 has long been at the center of many of the developments in Midtown that have had to gain approval. As such, we have become somewhat familiar with some of the board and some of the more outspoken members.


https://www.crainsnewyork.com/politi...oardroom-brawl

Manhattan's Community Board 5 leadership steps aside after boardroom brawl


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March 15, 2024


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Community Board 5 has undergone a major shake-up in what appears to be a coordinated effort to loosen land-use rules within several community boards citywide.

Community Board 5 represents the interests of Midtown neighborhoods and has a seat at the table when city or state policymakers tackle big matters, such as the future of Penn Station or the rezoning of East Midtown.

Chair Vikki Barbero resigned last month after 15 years in the role and 30 years on the board. On Thursday night her successor, Nick Athanail, quit effective immediately. Also gone is Layla Law-Gisiko, chair of the powerful land use committee, who had served on the board since 2005.
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The new chairman is Samir Lavingia, a former Google and Twitter software engineer and CB5 member for two years. He was elected Thursday night with 22 votes in favor and 19 abstentions.

Lavingia is campaign coordinator at Open New York, a nonprofit funded by Open Philanthropy, which is backed by Facebook co-founder Dustin Moskovitz. Open New York has an interest in housing development and a desire “to reduce the harms caused by excessively restrictive local land use regulations,” according to its website.
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Community boards don’t write laws or draft regulations, but developers planning a new apartment building or office tower seek their approval because their recommendations sway elected officials. The boards also serve as farm systems for residents aiming to run for public office one day. Members are volunteers nominated by the City Council and approved by the borough president for two-year terms.

Manhattan’s Community Board 5 is especially influential because its district stretches between Madison Square Garden and Grand Central Terminal, from 14th to 59th streets.


Had no idea there was such a revolution on the boards. Maybe that's why the CB4 meeting from last week was so out of order. We'll see what these new people are up to.
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This is BIG news. Manhattan's Community Board 5 has long been at the center of many of the developments in Midtown that have had to gain approval. As such, we have become somewhat familiar with some of the board and some of the more outspoken members.


https://www.crainsnewyork.com/politi...oardroom-brawl

Manhattan's Community Board 5 leadership steps aside after boardroom brawl


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Had no idea there was such a revolution on the boards. Maybe that's why the CB4 meeting from last week was so out of order. We'll see what these new people are up to.
Anyone what that amount of abstentions should not be a le to serve.
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up to a decade is a good max length to serve.
after that make way for new blood.
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Old Posted Mar 17, 2024, 5:11 PM
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up to a decade is a good max length to serve.
after that make way for new blood.
entrenched membership is never good.
There was a proposal a couple of years ago to limit the time to four years. I don’t know what happened to that. I know some BPs were against it.

Still, we have to keep an eye on ALL of these people on the boards. People usually come to the boards with an anti-development agenda. They’re saying people are joining the boards with an agenda for more housing. Which is really what the city needs. Just as long as it’s in the right places.

Layla, who’s from France, and was very outspoken against the Penn Plan, even ran for office a couple of years ago.
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Meanwhile, more Gateway progress, as the new Portal Bridge continues construction....



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NJ Transit and Amtrak have been a complete shit show this week. Beyond incompetent. But things are looking up.

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Really starting to hit home how much higher the new bridge will be so it can be a fixed span. Can wait until the main span starts going in.
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Really starting to hit home how much higher the new bridge will be so it can be a fixed span. Can wait until the main span starts going in.

Yeah, when that new bridge is completed and in service, it will alleviate at least one of the ongoing disruptions to service - the current bridge gets stuck in the open position at the worst of times. No bridge, no service into Penn. Basically the same as saying there is no Penn Station. The raised bridge takes that out of the equation, so now it will be just the usual Amtrak/NJ Transit incompetence that hinders service into and out of Penn. A larger issue is the tunnel itself, which is in need of repair, and sometimes has to resort to single tracking - one track in or out at a time. That also leads to major delays. But fortunately construction of the new tunnel has commenced. Eventually there will be two tunnels under the Hudson into Penn.
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Funding for final piece of Gateway in place...

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/11/n...k-funding.html

$16 Billion Hudson River Tunnel Project Gets Final Green Light
An agreement for the federal government to pay for most of the $16 billion project means the long-delayed plan is “all systems go,” Senator Chuck Schumer of New York said.



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June 11, 2024


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The planners of the $16 billion rail tunnel project known as Gateway said they passed the “point of no return” on Tuesday when the federal government told Congress that it would provide an additional $6.88 billion to the project.

The federal grant — the most ever provided to a mass-transit infrastructure project in the country — was the final piece of the funding puzzle for the long-delayed tunnel between New Jersey and Pennsylvania Station in Manhattan.

It gives planners of the sprawling project the green light to hire engineering and construction companies to start boring through a cliff in North Bergen, N.J., and under the Hudson River.

That work could begin as soon as this year and is scheduled to be completed in 2035, said Kris Kolluri, the chief executive of the Gateway Development Commission.
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The Gateway project is the second attempt at building an additional rail tunnel to increase capacity and improve the reliability of train service between New York and points west and south. The existing pair of single-track tunnels is more than 110 years old and suffering from damage sustained by flooding during Hurricane Sandy in 2012.

In 2010, work had begun to make way for a different rail tunnel under the Hudson that was known as Access to the Region’s Core, or ARC. But before signing a similar funding agreement with the federal Department of Transportation, Chris Christie, the Republican governor of New Jersey at the time, canceled the project and returned some money to Washington.
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The federal government had pledged the $6.88 billion toward Gateway last year, but a detailed funding agreement that will include about $600 million annually in the federal budget had to be worked out. On Tuesday, Veronica Vanterpool, the acting administrator of the Federal Transit Administration, notified leaders in Congress that the administration intended to sign that agreement with Gateway in about two weeks.

Mr. Schumer said that the grant would increase the federal funding for the Gateway project to about $12 billion, about 70 percent of its estimated total cost. That total includes about $1 billion from Amtrak, which owns the existing tunnels and Penn Station.

The balance, along with any overruns, will be supplied by New York and New Jersey, Mr. Schumer said.
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From a NIMBY point of view, but this trailer looks interesting if you like documentaries (I do).




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Gateway continues, Portal Bridge, July 22 2024



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Railway Giants Finally Unveil Why They Need to Expand Penn Station
Due to increasing demand for trains at Penn station, the three big rail users–MTA, Metro North and NJ Transit–said they need to expand the present station to meet exploding demand. Bars, retail outlets a church and a parking garage could be in peril once again of being demolished.






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Demand for rail service into Penn Station is growing quickly again, post-covid, and the three big railroads told a community forum they will need to expand the station in the next decade or so to accommodate the increase.

The bulk of the growth is coming from New Jersey, said officials of Amtrak and NJ Transit, but the MTA said it concurs with the need for expansion and has plans of its own for more trains as Metro North joins the Long Island Railroad in serving Penn Station.

The officials spoke at a forum organized to address claims by community and advocacy groups that the railroads needlessly plan to tear down the block south of Penn Station, often referred to by its tax roll designation, Block 780, to expand the station. That block contains bars, a strip club, a Catholic Church, a big parking garage, a deli, and fast food and pizza outlets, among other businesses.
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The railroads said there was a germ of a good idea in through-running, for the future, but that it would not solve the need to meet growing demand in the near-term.

Speaking at the forum held at NYU, Petra Messick, a senior Amtrack official, stressed that no decision had been made to demolish Block 780, and that the railroads were looking at expansion alternatives both north and south of the current station. Whatever plan the railroads adopt will be subjected to an environmental review that will include public hearings, she said.

“Trans-Hudson train service into Penn Station needs to be doubled, at least, to meet the existing and future needs of the region,” Said Messick. “All through-running or hybrid configurations within the footprint of the existing station fall short of this goal.”
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Doubling service under the Hudson will become possible in the 2030’s, Messick noted, when construction is completed on what is known as the Gateway project, a rebuilding of the rail line between Newark and Penn Station New York that includes two new tracks under the Hudson River to supplement the two tracks built under the river in 1910 by the now defunct Pennsylvania Railroad.

Gateway, which is under way, will allow more trains, but the question bedeviling both the railroads and political leadership is where to put all those new trains in the already overcrowded Penn Station.

To bolster her argument that an expansion will be needed, Messick presented a well-known transportation consultant, Foster Nichols of the firm WSP, who said he had analyzed two proposals from advocacy groups, ReThink NYC and TriState Trnsportation, to overhaul railroad operations as an alternative to expanding the station.
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“Implementing through-running will be time consuming, costly and disruptive,” Nichols said, thus risking “the timely development of urgently needed station capacity.”

He said, for example, that it would be possible to reconfigure tracks and widen platforms within the present footprint of the station, but the price would be ten years of service disruptions as bad as the one summer when New Jersey Transit had to divert more than a quarter of its trains to Hoboken.
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“Gateway is the highest infrastructure priority in the entire region–and even in the nation,” said Tom Wright, President of the RPA. “New York City exists because it has access to a large, diverse and talented workforce that includes residents of the five boroughs and also over ten million residents of the wider region.”

Over a million suburbanites hold jobs in New York City, Wright noted, and nearly half, 450,000 live in New Jersey. He said that even under conservative projections–incorporating more working from home and slower growth rates–transit ridership across the Hudson will be 15 percent to 32 percent higher by 2050.
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While Amtrak, which owns Penn Station, has been leading the railroads on the questions of capacity and expansion, The MTA is leading a separate process to improve the train hall above the tracks.

The rebuilding of Penn Station is one of the most complex development projects in the city’s history. For a long time, the future of the station was tied to a major redevelopment of the neighborhood that called for the construction of ten new office towers and an apartment building.

But with the office market in flux, and the principal property owner slow walking new construction, Governor Hochul “decoupled” Penn Station from this larger development plan.
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