Manitoba Highways

[DavefromSt.Vital]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Nothing. Nothing.. Esquire haha

The 18th St thing is in the southwest. So at least won't affect whatever they end up doing at the TCH.

If you read the article, the Brandon City councilor doesn't necessarily disagree with the decision. Just not in the heavy handed manner Doyle P went about it. This is within Doyles Legislative district I believe. Which makes things murkier.

Piwniuk is actually MLA for Turtle Mountain, a riding southwest of Brandon, although it is nearish.

VBJ is one arm of large (for Brandon) conglomerate Jacobson and Greiner.

The development in question has been discussed for years. The land was actually annexed from the adjacent RM. Various iterations of the site plan have shown a large big box store with a distinctive sheared off corner (cough, cough, Costco).

The development is inside the "Brandon Bypass"/Highway 110 (It's actually the designated dangerous goods route for heavy industry like Koch, etc.) Whether they ever build the western half of it is unknown, but it is not a great surprise that development would be allowed in this area with future planned speed limit reductions. Think Portage Avenue in Headingly west of the Perimeter.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by DavefromSt.Vital

The development is inside the "Brandon Bypass"/Highway 110 (It's actually the designated dangerous goods route for heavy industry like Koch, etc.) Whether they ever build the western half of it is unknown, but it is not a great surprise that development would be allowed in this area with future planned speed limit reductions. Think Portage Avenue in Headingly west of the Perimeter.

To me, it seems like a major shortcoming of our highways that they turn into local streets the moment you approach a town or city. In other provinces, highways typically remain highways until you're well into the urban area. Or at least, that is the goal even if it isn't always executed perfectly.

However, in Manitoba, we are just repeating the mistakes of the past... it would take so little to have our cake (the development) and eat it too (have a fast flowing, safe highway). But as usual the path of least resistance is taken.

[Biff]

To follow up on my post in the WPG Construction about going to Fargo.

The southbound lanes on Hwy 75 to the border should be shut down. They are an embarrassment and dangerous. I was down in Minneapolis in April and the way south was in such horrible shape a 3 ft pothole shredded one of my tires on my truck (305/55/20 it is a big heavy duty tire).

It was in just as bad shape this weekend - 6 mths later. The potholes and surface breaks were basically every 20 ft. The road would be better served if they just shifted everything over to the north bound lanes which are in great shape. I would much prefer a safer smoother drive on two lanes (one each way) than drive on that road again.

I know they are planning to redo the southbound lanes in question in 2023, but the shape of our second most important hwy in the province is beyond what should pass as a safe drive-able road.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by Biff

To follow up on my post in the WPG Construction about going to Fargo.

The southbound lanes on Hwy 75 to the border should be shut down. They are an embarrassment and dangerous. I was down in Minneapolis in April and the way south was in such horrible shape a 3 ft pothole shredded one of my tires on my truck (305/55/20 it is a big heavy duty tire).

It was in just as bad shape this weekend - 6 mths later. The potholes and surface breaks were basically every 20 ft. The road would be better served if they just shifted everything over to the north bound lanes which are in great shape. I would much prefer a safer smoother drive on two lanes (one each way) than drive on that road again.

I know they are planning to redo the southbound lanes in question in 2023, but the shape of our second most important hwy in the province is beyond what should pass as a safe drive-able road.

Drove that stretch a couple days ago and I actually think 75 south is in much better shape than it was back in early July when I drove it last! At least it wasn’t flat out dangerous as it was earlier, I’m guessing the south bound lanes were under water in April-May?

Expansion joints all seem to have been redone, although not great far better than it was where softball sized chunks of concrete littered the highway in June-July!

I-94 from Fargo to Mipls. Not exactly in the greatest shape either!

[bomberjet]

We talked recently about PTH 8 and how terrible the southbound lanes are. This study is up for feedback from the Province. The stretch from 101 to St. Andrews airport will get the access point treatment the Perimeter is undergoing.

https://engagemb.ca/pth-8-functional...y?preview=true

Direct link to the PDF presentation.
https://manitoba.ca/asset_library/en...ntation_en.pdf

[esquire]

^ That's good news. That stretch of highway is practically unchanged since the 80s despite higher traffic volumes. It was pretty decent for those days but it appears deficient by modern standards. Widening the shoulders and reducing the large number of access points are musts.

[bomberjet]

Ya. It's basically adding a service road on the west side and improving intersection geometry at the 5 locations. All other access is removed. No interchanges. Which is fine as nothing would happen here for millennia anyways.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Ya. It's basically adding a service road on the west side and improving intersection geometry at the 5 locations. All other access is removed. No interchanges. Which is fine as nothing would happen here for millennia anyways.

While interchanges would make sense at Grassmere Road, Parkdale Road and PR 230 to Selkirk, yeah, I have zero expectation that's going to happen anytime soon.

Just doing the most basic things like the service roads and proper shoulders would be enough of a win in my books.

[VANRIDERFAN]

^^

Sad that our expectations for Manitoba Highways is so low.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

No interchanges. Which is fine as nothing would happen here for millennia anyways.

Even flyovers with exit and entry lanes to PTH 8 feels like it would be excessive.

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by CoryB

Even flyovers with exit and entry lanes to PTH 8 feels like it would be excessive.

Are you describing a diamond interchange?

[rrskylar]

The Deacons Corner construction is moving at a snails pace, doubt its even finished the fall and construction began sometime in mid spring, unbelievable actually for such a relatively small job!

[plrh]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

The Deacons Corner construction is moving at a snails pace, doubt its even finished the fall and construction began sometime in mid spring, unbelievable actually for such a relatively small job!

Funny enough, today is their contractual completion date, according to the original tender. This was a big job for that particular contractor. I haven't seen it, do they have lots of work left?

[bomberjet]

Yup. Can't do everything at once though. Not every hwy needs to be a freeway either. This stretch would be far down the list IMO.

[bomberjet]

Seriously. They spent half the summer doing the detour work. Haven't been out that way for a while now.

[Winnipeg Grump]

Having just completed a road trip to New Mexico, I might as well jump in.

Yes, 75 S is better than before but still an embarrassment. Like Biff said, you might as well route all of the traffic over to the northbound roadway and do a proper fix. In the States, they'll do that and still maintain a 60 - 65 mph speed through the zone, unlike in Canada where we'll drop it to 60 kph!

If anyone needed an illustration for how well they do roadwork versus here in Manitoba - just south of Fargo is a slight jog to the east on I-29. You don't really think anything about it because the quality of the road doesn't change, unless you look to the west and notice that they're rebuilding the road from scratch. So they built a detour to interstate standards, so that they could do a rebuild on a stretch of the road.

And it's not just the interstates. Instead of taking I-29 down to Oklahoma City and then running west, we shifted over at Omaha and went as the crow flies. Their state routes are as good as the TCH and even when Google Maps gave a shorter route that put us down some back-country 2-lane road, it was still in excellent shape.

It's just so depressing to come back to this province's roads.

[VANRIDERFAN]

Originally Posted by Winnipeg Grump

Having just completed a road trip to New Mexico, I might as well jump in.

Yes, 75 S is better than before but still an embarrassment. Like Biff said, you might as well route all of the traffic over to the northbound roadway and do a proper fix. In the States, they'll do that and still maintain a 60 - 65 mph speed through the zone, unlike in Canada where we'll drop it to 60 kph!

If anyone needed an illustration for how well they do roadwork versus here in Manitoba - just south of Fargo is a slight jog to the east on I-29. You don't really think anything about it because the quality of the road doesn't change, unless you look to the west and notice that they're rebuilding the road from scratch. So they built a detour to interstate standards, so that they could do a rebuild on a stretch of the road.

And it's not just the interstates. Instead of taking I-29 down to Oklahoma City and then running west, we shifted over at Omaha and went as the crow flies. Their state routes are as good as the TCH and even when Google Maps gave a shorter route that put us down some back-country 2-lane road, it was still in excellent shape.

It's just so depressing to come back to this province's roads.

Not having the freeze thaw issues that we have helps. But you're right our roads are shyte.

Although the re-done Highway 23 is a dream to drive on now.

[Winnipeg Grump]

Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN

Not having the freeze thaw issues that we have helps. But you're right our roads are shyte.

Although the re-done Highway 23 is a dream to drive on now.

Grafton, ND's climate is the same as Emerson, MB's.
It's all funding.

They recognize the importance of moving people and product efficiently.

[rivercity]

Dont know how many times it has to be said. We cant compare Manitoba highways to Interstates. The funding model is insanely different.

[bomberjet]

The Fargo thing is part of the new floodway they are building. IIRC they basically built a new, proper highway as the detour.

But yes on the Interstate, they typically have very strict requirements for detours. Proper lanes marked by cones and the little reflective bumps for lane markings.

Not like in Winnipeg where they have shitty cone layouts that get knocked down and then it's a free for all. There were numerous times during the BRT project where people hit the cones, drove into excavations and such. Incredible.