Confederation Line West LRT Extension (Stage 2) [Tunney's to Baseline/Moodie] | U/C

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

The Baseline BRT is currently going through a $12 Million dollar detailed design (using PTIF funds). Just because there hasn't been any consultation or a City website doesn't mean its shelved.

Good Day.

Interesting ! Fascinating ! Hopefulness !

Last I had seen and heard was the City announcing that it was shelved - way back to the back of the shelf.

What do you have on it - or is it insider sources not-for-attribution ?

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day.

Interesting ! Fascinating ! Hopefulness !

Last I had seen and heard was the City announcing that it was shelved - way back to the back of the shelf.

What do you have on it - or is it insider sources not-for-attribution ?

I have no insider info, but that was the last word on the "Baseline BRT" thread on this forum. Call me overly optimistic, but a $12M dollar detailed design study takes at least a year, so I'm not surprised we haven't heard anything yet.

Also, I expect that whichever firm is working on the detailed design is ALSO working on bids for the Confederation Line extension bids, so it probably isn't progressing very fast due to high workload... just speculation.

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

I have no insider info, but that was the last word on the "Baseline BRT" thread on this forum. Call me overly optimistic, but a $12M dollar detailed design study takes at least a year, so I'm not surprised we haven't heard anything yet.

Also, I expect that whichever firm is working on the detailed design is ALSO working on bids for the Confederation Line extension bids, so it probably isn't progressing very fast due to high workload... just speculation.

Good Day.

Ah...yes... I had forgotten about them getting PTIF funding for the DD. Thx.
Sorry, lrt's_friend, for misleading you.... my brain fart !!

EnJoy!

[J.OT13]

Stage 2 under a Ford government, I have no doubt it will be built as planned (minus Wynne's Limebank extension).

I could see Ford support the Kanata extension once the City asks for funding; it's Conservative territory and he loves high grade rapid transit in low-density suburbs.

Only when the Kanata extension starts construction will the City start looking at Barrhaven, with the hopes of shovels in the ground as soon as Kanata is complete. And it will be via Baseline station. You can't run big ass DMUs across a road bridge. It's not possible. Probably not legal.

[PHrenetic]

Good Day.

what I posted in the Trillium Line thread :

In discussing the Vimy (Strandherd) Bridge..... all please recall that it was designed with light electric LRT in mind, not the heavier diesel commuter vehicles that we are presently using and proposing. That is not to say that the bridge cannot accommodate them, but that would have to be carefully studied and analysed for weight loads.

Also recall that while the light electric LRVs are considered OK for mixed environment use by our officialdom (TC, et al), we are constrained by those agencies' rules to full grade sep for the heavier diesel commuter vehicles. This has contributed to many mixed 'signals', designs, and proposals over all the years of mixed messages and proposals.
Yes, exemptions might be granted, but we cannot truely nor fully count on that.

Unquote.

DMUs, depending on size and configuration such as we are operating and proposing, would not be very much heavier than light electric LRVs at the upper (heavier) end of their possible configurations. It really depends on weight distribution in the relevant configurations, and very especially much on the designed accommodations in and of the bridge.

That being said....

Along with the already under-consideration grade separation for the Woodroffe-Transitway / RailRoad intersection, I too think that the service to Barrhaven, all the way into Marketplace or Jockvale Rd. will be via Baseline/Algonquin.

But... recall that this all will be some time from now - at the least another election cycle (if not two).

Whoof!

[OCCheetos]

https://twitter.com/CBCOttawa/status...73224448217095

Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson and Barrhaven councillor Jan Harder want to get #ottcity council approval to start the process of extending light rail to Barrhaven. It would connect to the Trillium Line at the future Algonquin College station. No cost or timeline yet.

Can't tell if they mean extending the Trillium Line all the way to Baseline or if they just meant the Confederation Line. I'm guessing the latter.
Time for a new thread?

Edit: full article
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4703882?__t...mpression=true

Still can't tell whether they're right about which line they're talking about

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by OCCheetos

Still can't tell whether they're right about which line they're talking about

Whatever they are talking about, Jim Watson can go to hell. Fed up with the constant sops to the suburbs while urban transit in the urban core continues to decline as more and more resources are diverted to his conservative base in Farrhaven and Orleans.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Whatever they are talking about, Jim Watson can go to hell. Fed up with the constant sops to the suburbs while urban transit in the urban core continues to decline as more and more resources are diverted to his conservative base in Farrhaven and Orleans.

It will be interesting to see if any material transit improvement occurs inside the Greenbelt in the remainder of my lifetime beyond the Confederation Line which is mainly a commuter route for people coming from the suburbs.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

It will be interesting to see if any material transit improvement occurs inside the Greenbelt in the remainder of my lifetime beyond the Confederation Line which is mainly a commuter route for people coming from the suburbs.

The next TMP will be very telling. Once they see how transit works post LRT, they will know better what is needed.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by roger1818

The next TMP will be very telling. Once they see how transit works post LRT, they will know better what is needed.

What's the use of these bullshit plans anyway?

The last TMP called for dedicated bus lanes the length of Montreal Road. They were scrapped to make the bike lobby happy, and instead, that axis is going to see SLOWER bus service, "optimized" (i.e., removed) stops to increase walking distances, with no commitment to improved frequencies, capacities, or passenger amenities.

The only transit - and for that matter any other public services or investments - that this city cares about and is politically willing to fund, are in the suburbs.

The hollowing out will continue. The sprawl will continue. The core does not matter to this council, or, I believe, to most of the senior staff.

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by roger1818

The next TMP will be very telling. Once they see how transit works post LRT, they will know better what is needed.

The TMP will be under review some time in the next 4 years according to Watson. While it won't be a whole new plan, it will still be interesting to see if anything changes.

[J.OT13]

Interesting tweets from Mark Taylor and Jeff Lieper. I was under the assumption that the City would clear cut the Byron Linear Park to build the Confederation Line tunnel, but it seems they are transplanting trees to nearby parks.

Lieper's tweet features a video.

https://twitter.com/Go_Taylor/status...99650428334080
https://twitter.com/JLeiper/status/1008730223548907523

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Interesting tweets from Mark Taylor and Jeff Lieper. I was under the assumption that the City would clear cut the Byron Linear Park to build the Confederation Line tunnel, but it seems they are transplanting trees to nearby parks.

Lieper's tweet features a video.

https://twitter.com/Go_Taylor/status...99650428334080
https://twitter.com/JLeiper/status/1008730223548907523

That’s certainly good to see. I’m curious what percentage of trees survive the transplant process.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by roger1818

That’s certainly good to see. I’m curious what percentage of trees survive the transplant process.

If they use a spade truck, there should be good success.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

If they use a spade truck, there should be good success.

But how good? 70%? 95%? The roots will still be cut and it will have to find a new source of water.

Edit: I answered my own question. According to the following link, as long as the rootball they take is at least 10 times the trunk diameter, you can expect a 95+% success rate.

http://www.movemytrees.com/faqs

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Another tidbit I gleaned from the Stage 2 LRT Presentation, March 1, 2017 (21:04) is that there is a staff recommendation to shift Bayshore station 75m to the east to "allow for improved access to the station as well as a direct future connection for passengers to access this shopping centre." The cost for the change would be negligible and the mall owners would responsible to build and pay for the mall connection (if they choose to do so).

Does anyone know if this change was approved?


(click on image to view video clip)

I found a better quality picture of this drawing in the Stage 2 Light Rail Transit Implementation Report - Stage 2 LRT on pg. 36.

[lrt's friend]

I presume this means that LRT has to tunnel underneath the bus lay-up area.

[AndyMEng]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I presume this means that LRT has to tunnel underneath the bus lay-up area.

The Tunnel in that section would be needed to go under Holly Acres anyways. Would have been neat to go up and over instead, thus putting the station at the same height as the mall pedestrian bridge, but that's a lot of elevation changes from the tunnel under Bayshore w/b exit ramps & Richmond Road

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by AndyMEng

The Tunnel in that section would be needed to go under Holly Acres anyways. Would have been neat to go up and over instead, thus putting the station at the same height as the mall pedestrian bridge, but that's a lot of elevation changes from the tunnel under Bayshore w/b exit ramps & Richmond Road

If elevated, you would still need to go under the tracks to get to the south platform from the pedestrian bridge, so it really makes no difference in the end. It will all be cut and cover, so probably cheaper than elevating it.

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I presume this means that LRT has to tunnel underneath the bus lay-up area.

The bus lay-up area shown in that drawing is sized to accomodate bus volumes from Kanata. Now that the Moodie Station is being built that bus lay-up area won't be built.