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Old Posted Mar 25, 2015, 8:04 PM
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2015, 8:08 PM
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Wow, what a tease of a headline. My guess is they want to do an expansion at MLK and NE Killingsworth. Or hopefully they are wanting to put in a new tower in Old Town.
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Not that you can tell from the headline, but the site is at NW 6th & Hoyt.
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Not that you can tell from the headline, but the site is at NW 6th & Hoyt.
If that is the case, that is interesting news because I believe the height limit for that block is at 120ft, curious how high they would want that one block to be raised. Just one block south it is 350ft.
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Not that you can tell from the headline, but the site is at NW 6th & Hoyt.
So, the half block next to Bud Clark Commons (new home for Multnomah County Health Dept)?
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Am I wrong or is that block (6th and Hoyt) currently zoned at 75 feet and remains at 75 feet in the 2035 plan. Union Station is very close. Likely low heights to protect views of the tower.
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Wait one. The north side of 6th and Hoyt is 75' but the south side of 6th and Hoty appears to be 325' under the 2035 plan. They must be on the north side or they wouldn't be complaining about height.
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Am I wrong or is that block (6th and Hoyt) currently zoned at 75 feet and remains at 75 feet in the 2035 plan. Union Station is very close. Likely low heights to protect views of the tower.
It's the same block as Bud Clark commons. I'm pretty sure you're correct: 75' currently; 75' planned. Even if there were planned changes they probably wouldn't take effect until 2017.
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Height limit cramping county

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Multnomah County Health Department officials are seeking city of Portland approval and neighborhood support for construction of a taller building in Old Town Chinatown than zoning allows.

Initial plans for the health department’s new headquarters called for a six-story building that would not exceed the 75-foot height limit on a vacant lot east of Bud Clark Commons. But the proposed $46 million building would not be able to provide the approximately 120,000 to 150,000 square feet of office space the county anticipates it needing. The only way that the constrained half-block site could provide that much space would be in a building nine or 10 stories, county spokeswoman Julie Sullivan-Springhetti said.

“We have learned a six-story building is not enough space,” she said. “It’s critical that when we invest this type of money in public funds that we have the capacity, and that’s what we’re coming up against with the height limit.”

The revelation has led county officials to put on hold plans to break ground next month on a six-story building that would replace the department’s current downtown Portland headquarters, Sullivan-Springhetti said.

“We paused on that six-story (concept) and we are working with the city of Portland and the Portland Development Commission to look at what we can do to try and utilize the site,” she said.

Portland Bureau of Planning and Sustainability staffers are reviewing the county’s revised plans and are developing a proposal to change the height allowance on that block, bounded by Northwest Hoyt and Irving streets and Broadway and Sixth Avenue, city planner Nicholas Starin said. A city staff report on a proposed amendment to the height limit is expected to be released by the end of this week, he said.

“They need a fairly large building that wouldn’t fit within the 75 feet,” he said. “The number we’re working off is to get the height to 150 (feet).”

To achieve this, city planners propose increasing the base height allowed on the planned site to 120 feet and offering the county height bonuses in exchange for including building features that are considered a public benefit, such as an eco-roof. Currently, the site is not eligible for such floor-to-area-ratio bonuses.

The proposed height allowance and FAR bonuses require approval of the Portland Planning and Sustainability Commission and Portland City Council, Starin said. A Planning and Sustainability Commission public hearing for the proposal is scheduled for April 28. If the commission were to approve the height allowance, a City Council hearing would likely take place in June, he said. The project would then have to enter the city design review process.

County and city officials earlier this month met with neighbors of the site to discuss plans to construct a taller headquarters building. This includes seeking the support of the Old Town Chinatown Community Association and Pearl District Neighborhood Association.

When county officials last week presented the proposed height increase to the OTCCA’s Land Use and Design Review Committee, members expressed concerns about the taller building blocking views of the Union Station clock tower as well as inconsistency with the shorter surrounding structures. The neighborhood association’s board is scheduled to review the proposal on April 1.

Health department officials more than a decade ago began looking for options for relocation from the Gladys McCoy Building in downtown Portland. The 12-story building, constructed as a department store in 1923, had outlived its usefulness as the hub for one of Oregon’s largest federally qualified health centers. The new headquarters will allow the county to consolidate health department functions currently spread out across multiple buildings. It will house the department’s leadership, public health emergency services, a communicable disease program, specialty clinics, a pharmacy and electronic health records. About 350 health professionals would work out of the building.

In 2013, health department officials brought on Home Forward, ZGF Architects and JE Dunn Construction to formalize a building plan for developing the half-block site owned by the Portland Housing Bureau west of Northwest Sixth Avenue, between Irvington and Hoyt streets.

The department has since undergone a leadership transition. Former department head Lillian Shirley left in fall 2013 to lead the Oregon Public Health Division. The county’s former chief operating officer, Joanne Fuller, took over as interim director of the health department. The Multnomah County Board of Commissioners this past June appointed her health department director.

Sullivan-Springhetti said county officials still believe the Old Town site is a prime location for the health department’s new headquarters and hope to make the proposed project pencil out there.

“We have this great site (but) because it was limited to the 75-foot height for the investment we would not be able to fit the professionals and services in that for the cost,” she said. “This was the option we were hoping to go with and now we’re in the process to see how we make this work.”
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Multnomah County Health Department officials are seeking city of Portland approval and neighborhood support for construction of a taller building in Old Town Chinatown than zoning allows.

Initial plans for the health department’s new headquarters called for a six-story building that would not exceed the 75-foot height limit on a vacant lot east of Bud Clark Commons. But the proposed $46 million building would not be able to provide the approximately 120,000 to 150,000 square feet of office space the county anticipates it needing. The only way that the constrained half-block site could provide that much space would be in a building nine or 10 stories, county spokeswoman Julie Sullivan-Springhetti said.

“We have learned a six-story building is not enough space,” she said. “It’s critical that when we invest this type of money in public funds that we have the capacity, and that’s what we’re coming up against with the height limit.”

The revelation has led county officials to put on hold plans to break ground next month on a six-story building that would replace the department’s current downtown Portland headquarters, Sullivan-Springhetti said.

“We paused on that six-story (concept) and we are working with the city of Portland and the Portland Development Commission to look at what we can do to try and utilize the site,” she said.

Portland Bureau of Planning and Sustainability staffers are reviewing the county’s revised plans and are developing a proposal to change the height allowance on that block, bounded by Northwest Hoyt and Irving streets and Broadway and Sixth Avenue, city planner Nicholas Starin said. A city staff report on a proposed amendment to the height limit is expected to be released by the end of this week, he said.

“They need a fairly large building that wouldn’t fit within the 75 feet,” he said. “The number we’re working off is to get the height to 150 (feet).”

To achieve this, city planners propose increasing the base height allowed on the planned site to 120 feet and offering the county height bonuses in exchange for including building features that are considered a public benefit, such as an eco-roof. Currently, the site is not eligible for such floor-to-area-ratio bonuses.

The proposed height allowance and FAR bonuses require approval of the Portland Planning and Sustainability Commission and Portland City Council, Starin said. A Planning and Sustainability Commission public hearing for the proposal is scheduled for April 28. If the commission were to approve the height allowance, a City Council hearing would likely take place in June, he said. The project would then have to enter the city design review process.

County and city officials earlier this month met with neighbors of the site to discuss plans to construct a taller headquarters building. This includes seeking the support of the Old Town Chinatown Community Association and Pearl District Neighborhood Association.

When county officials last week presented the proposed height increase to the OTCCA’s Land Use and Design Review Committee, members expressed concerns about the taller building blocking views of the Union Station clock tower as well as inconsistency with the shorter surrounding structures. The neighborhood association’s board is scheduled to review the proposal on April 1.

Health department officials more than a decade ago began looking for options for relocation from the Gladys McCoy Building in downtown Portland. The 12-story building, constructed as a department store in 1923, had outlived its usefulness as the hub for one of Oregon’s largest federally qualified health centers. The new headquarters will allow the county to consolidate health department functions currently spread out across multiple buildings. It will house the department’s leadership, public health emergency services, a communicable disease program, specialty clinics, a pharmacy and electronic health records. About 350 health professionals would work out of the building.

In 2013, health department officials brought on Home Forward, ZGF Architects and JE Dunn Construction to formalize a building plan for developing the half-block site owned by the Portland Housing Bureau west of Northwest Sixth Avenue, between Irvington and Hoyt streets.

The department has since undergone a leadership transition. Former department head Lillian Shirley left in fall 2013 to lead the Oregon Public Health Division. The county’s former chief operating officer, Joanne Fuller, took over as interim director of the health department. The Multnomah County Board of Commissioners this past June appointed her health department director.

Sullivan-Springhetti said county officials still believe the Old Town site is a prime location for the health department’s new headquarters and hope to make the proposed project pencil out there.

“We have this great site (but) because it was limited to the 75-foot height for the investment we would not be able to fit the professionals and services in that for the cost,” she said. “This was the option we were hoping to go with and now we’re in the process to see how we make this work.”
To guess what arguments this might lead to, it may be time to increase the height of the "go by train" tower.
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2015, 6:44 PM
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Not that I particularly object, but this seems to be almost the very definition of spot zoning.
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2015, 7:02 PM
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Not that I particularly object, but this seems to be almost the very definition of spot zoning.
Would it be a smarter use of funds to combine the courthouse and this health department building on a full-block site, such as the KOIN Tower parking lot? Seems like one building would be cheaper than two. Plus the county could sell these two lots.
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2015, 9:15 PM
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I could see raising the height limit here for this department, plus it isn't like it is a major height increase.
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Would it be a smarter use of funds to combine the courthouse and this health department building on a full-block site, such as the KOIN Tower parking lot? Seems like one building would be cheaper than two. Plus the county could sell these two lots.
I really don't think you could put both a justice department and a health clinic/hospital under the same roof... on a half-acre site. The secure parking and ingress/egress alone take a substantial amount of space in a courthouse... They would need totally separate entrances, for one.

Do we know what "emergency services" will be? This won't be a hospital ER or trauma center, will it? I can't picture a county clinic offering those types of services here, when OHSU and Legacy hospitals are so close by.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2015, 6:55 AM
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I really don't think you could put both a justice department and a health clinic/hospital under the same roof... on a half-acre site. The secure parking and ingress/egress alone take a substantial amount of space in a courthouse... They would need totally separate entrances, for one.
Not only that, but a courthouse is already an extremely difficult building type, which requires three separate circulation systems for different groups of people (courthouse staff/judges, members of the public, defendants). Adding a health department to the mix would make the building design incredibly complicated.

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Do we know what "emergency services" will be? This won't be a hospital ER or trauma center, will it? I can't picture a county clinic offering those types of services here, when OHSU and Legacy hospitals are so close by.
I think "public health emergency services" means responding to outbreaks such as measles or syphilis. I don't believe they plan to do any trauma care there.
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Considering that the post office site a block away will likely have enormous height limits once it's ready for redevelopment, I don't see changing the height limits on this block to 150' as unreasonable. It won't overwhelm union station, and it's a good public project adjacent to a light rail station. do it.

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Considering that the post office site a block away will likely have enormous height limits once it's ready for redevelopment, I don't see changing the height limits on this block to 150'. seems reasonable, won't overwhelm union station, and it's a good public project adjacent to a light rail station. do it.
I have to agree with you on both accounts. I hope we get to have another 500+ footer on the post office site.
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I have to agree with you on both accounts. I hope we get to have another 500+ footer on the post office site.
Someone here (maybe you?) has said it before that they hope the post office site is redeveloped like Rockefeller center with a collection of high rises around a well-programmed outdoor space. I can't imagine that not happening given the high rise development occurring in the Pearl district today. I'm hoping for an iconic tower that perhaps even dwarfs (700-800' tall) the rest of the skyline.
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Here's to hoping for a new tallest that's fairly attractive. Sucks to think that the Wells Fargo tower is the tallest in the state. Blech.
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Someone here (maybe you?) has said it before that they hope the post office site is redeveloped like Rockefeller center with a collection of high rises around a well-programmed outdoor space. I can't imagine that not happening given the high rise development occurring in the Pearl district today. I'm hoping for an iconic tower that perhaps even dwarfs (700-800' tall) the rest of the skyline.
Yeah, I have said that before. A 700+ footer would be nice, but with Portland, a 500+ footer at the most would be more realistic.
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