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Old Posted Feb 27, 2019, 2:55 AM
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Not in my opinion. Lightfoot by a mile would be better
Sure, better than Prekwinkle. But still bad.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2019, 2:33 AM
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Looks like Preckwinkle’s lead over Daley is sustaining.

More and more looking like a Lightfoot vs Preckwinkle run off
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2019, 2:48 AM
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Lightfoot vs Preckwinkle would be a slaughter.
The most recent poll shows Lightfoot defeating Preckwinkle at t 42 to 25 in a runoff.

Preckwinkle only leads among African Americans, and they are perfectly happy to split the vote for Lightfoot.
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^ Well, switching Chicago over to IBC would certainly make my life a lot simpler. Only one set of rules to keep in my head. Still, IBC would probably increase costs to build or renovate the kind of small multi-family buildings that make up Chicago neighborhoods, while lowering costs for the big developers by enabling wood-frame podium construction for midrises. Our buildings would end up looking much more like those in other cities, for better or worse.
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So with Alderman Arena and Moreno out, Waguespack unopposed and Rosa staying put; I suspect the Milwaukee Avenue corridor boom will completely shutdown from Devon to Division, at least for everything needing a zoning change over the next four years. Land values meanwhile will continue to increase and eventually the lid will blow off the pressure cooker when someone more favorable to development comes along. Anyone want to place bets as to where major neighborhood TOD investment might be migrating to in the interim?

Lori Lightfoot was my second choice after Daley, in large part because she wants to declare all out war on aldermanic prerogative. I think she has a lot of potential to be a good mayor, though her stance against the Amazon bid and Lincoln Yards being ‘too dense and too rushed’ gives me caution.
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So with Alderman Arena and Moreno out, Waguespack unopposed and Rosa staying put; I suspect the Milwaukee Avenue corridor boom will completely shutdown from Devon to Division, at least for everything needing a zoning change over the next four years. Land values meanwhile will continue to increase and eventually the lid will blow off the pressure cooker when someone more favorable to development comes along. Anyone want to place bets as to where major neighborhood TOD investment might be migrating to in the interim?

Lori Lightfoot was my second choice after Daley, in large part because she wants to declare all out war on aldermanic prerogative. I think she has a lot of potential to be a good mayor, though her stance against the Amazon bid and Lincoln Yards being ‘too dense and too rushed’ gives me caution.
Yeah not good for the Milwaukee corridor. Of course all that will happen is rents will increase even more as fewer units are built and deconversions will take out smaller apartment buildings. The market always beats government intrusion.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2019, 1:53 PM
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Ugh and there are so many Logan Square parking lots I was excited to get rid of
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So with Alderman Arena and Moreno out, Waguespack unopposed and Rosa staying put; I suspect the Milwaukee Avenue corridor boom will completely shutdown from Devon to Division, at least for everything needing a zoning change over the next four years. Land values meanwhile will continue to increase and eventually the lid will blow off the pressure cooker when someone more favorable to development comes along. Anyone want to place bets as to where major neighborhood TOD investment might be migrating to in the interim?

Lori Lightfoot was my second choice after Daley, in large part because she wants to declare all out war on aldermanic prerogative. I think she has a lot of potential to be a good mayor, though her stance against the Amazon bid and Lincoln Yards being ‘too dense and too rushed’ gives me caution.
Yup, this was actually an excellent election for me from a business perspective. I expect the demand will do three things:

1. Migrate to small multi family properties in the area eviscerating whatever affordable stock is remaining possibly by the next election.

2. Move to the West and Southwest sides (hello little village)

3. Manifest itself in the one section of Milwaukee Avenue that isn't controlled by a complete idiot: Ward 30. That's assuming Reboryas wins the runoff, but Jessica Gutierrez is probably corrupt AF given who her father is so I'm sure the developers will have a heyday either way.

Here's what won't happen: Guys like LaSpata won't be able to magically extract more affordable housing from whatever developers are dumb enough to ask for a zoning change in their ward. That's not how the market works, the math needs to pencil out on these projects and the ARO already pushes the limits of what can be achieved when you are getting anything less than downtown or Lincoln Park rents.

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Literally no one is having a tantrum, bnk is a bit worked up as always, but my investments just gained a ton of value since growth is going to be pushed wholesale in my favor. I just think it's unfortunate that the people these idiots purport to represent are going to be harmed by imbecilic policy decisions. For example, I was hoping for Rosa to lose because he is really unresponsive to the neighborhood and makes policy decisions that hurt everyone, but I'll be damned if him staying in office didn't just jack up the value of property I own in his ward that's already zoned for a large condo building. Looks like I'll probably be cashing in on that (i.e. destroying 3 units of relatively cheap housing and putting up $600k condos) sooner than later.

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Ugh and there are so many Logan Square parking lots I was excited to get rid of
There really aren't, not in Moreno's ward at least. They eviscerated everything along Milwaukee in the first ward. Really only the CVS is left. There's nothing in Rosa's ward except the Emmitt street lot. All the remaining vacant lots are north of Central Park and mostly lie in Reboryas' ward. Assuming he wins the runoff expect a flurry of proposals for the area around Milwaukee, Belmont, and Pulaski which is basically 50% vacant lots all of which are up for sale. I have half a mind to go get all of that under contract right now so I can flip out of the contract at a much higher price other developers if he wins.

I can't say how happy I am that Moreno is out, he's everything that's wrong with our system. He already cleared out pretty much all vacant lots in that area so that's great, but developers really shouldn't be able to buy a zoning change with campaign donations.

The only result I'm truly upset about is that Daley didn't edge Toni out of the runoff. The more I learn about Lori Lightfoot, the more I like her. I would love to see her come in and spend a whole term attacking perogative and reforming the building code. Our city needs to run more like all other cities in the US, with predictable planning and rules and norms and NO CORRUPTION. Again, I don't know why anyone is upset to see a slimebag like Moreno lose no matter how much of a nutty progressive his replacement is. As bad as it is to see a guy like Rosa totally shut down development in an idiotic ploy to prevent the inevitable, it's just as bad or worse to see a guy like Moreno totally abusing the system even though his policy choices single handedly created more affordable units (and market rate too!) than just about anywhere else in the city. Corruption resulting in good policy is worse than bad policy coming from a misguided young alderman. But both cases demonstrate exactly why planning decisions should not come from politicians. Land values just massively shifted all over the NW side and the whole city for that matter based upon last night's outcome. That makes no sense and isn't good for anyone except those savvy enough to read political tea leaves and cash in. And that's exactly the issue, you shouldn't have to be an expert in Chicago ward level politics to do business in this city. It generates massive uncertainty and is why a lot of national and international players avoid investing in the provincial backwaters known as Chicago neighborhoods.

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Where’s all the Lightfoot hate coming from?
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2019, 3:50 AM
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Where’s all the Lightfoot hate coming from?
I have no idea. She wasn't my first choice but there's nothing particularly wrong with her. She's not as experienced as some of the other candidates, but by that token is not a machine cyborg. Her last name isn't Daley (I don't care if this Daley is different, surely there are better people to lead Chicago than from that family). She went to UChicago Law School so she's smart (both Preckwinkle and Lightfoot are UC alums). She seems fine to me...
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^ We're all focused on the mayoral race, but the wards have some interesting stuff going on too. Not much good news for fans of development, but I'd say we will see continued or new momentum in many wards for bus and bike lanes.


In the 1st, Moreno's out and La Spata is in. Here's an arrogant prick who drives an Audi everywhere getting replaced by a guy who doesn't even own a car.

Amazingly, Ed Burke is not just winning in the 14th but will avoid a runoff, even after being hauled in on corruption charges. What does that guy have to do to lose an election? Unbelievable.

25th will go to a runoff between Sigcho and Acevedo, no real pro-development choice here but anybody's better than Sigcho... this is my ward, I voted for Troy Hernandez and now I've got my least two favorited candidates. Ugh. At least Acevedo, like La Spata in the 1st, is a carless guy who will likely push for transit and ped/bike improvements.

Burnett is winning handily in the 27th, so expect the West Loop boom to continue. Same for his counterparts (King and Dowell) in the South Loop.

Sadly, Carlos Rosa will avoid a runoff in the 35th... if he's in Logan/Avondale and Sigcho wins in Pilsen, we may finally start to see an uptick in development in Black neighborhoods like West Haven or Bronzeville where the aldermen are le$$ idealistic.

Michele Smith will go to a runoff in 43... she needs to go, for real. Her opponent Lindblom isn't great but at least he talks about diversifying the ward's housing beyond McMansions.

Also unfortunately Arena is out in the 45th... he was the only real champion for growth on the Northwest Side. His opponent Gardiner is basically a dog whistle dude for racist old white people scared of brown folks moving into their ward. Since any large residential development now needs affordable housing, expect that part of the city to stagnate.
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^ We're all focused on the mayoral race, but the wards have some interesting stuff going on too. Not much good news for fans of development, but I'd say we will see continued or new momentum in many wards for bus and bike lanes.


In the 1st, Moreno's out and La Spata is in. Here's an arrogant prick who drives an Audi everywhere getting replaced by a guy who doesn't even own a car.

Amazingly, Ed Burke is not just winning in the 14th but will avoid a runoff, even after being hauled in on corruption charges. What does that guy have to do to lose an election? Unbelievable.

25th will go to a runoff between Sigcho and Acevedo, no real pro-development choice here but anybody's better than Sigcho... this is my ward, I voted for Troy Hernandez and now I've got my least two favorited candidates. Ugh. At least Acevedo, like La Spata in the 1st, is a carless guy who will likely push for transit and ped/bike improvements.

Burnett is winning handily in the 27th, so expect the West Loop boom to continue. Same for his counterparts (King and Dowell) in the South Loop.

Sadly, Carlos Rosa will avoid a runoff in the 35th... if he's in Logan/Avondale and Sigcho wins in Pilsen, we may finally start to see an uptick in development in Black neighborhoods like West Haven or Bronzeville where the aldermen are le$$ idealistic.

Michele Smith will go to a runoff in 43... she needs to go, for real. Her opponent Lindblom isn't great but at least he talks about diversifying the ward's housing beyond McMansions.

Also unfortunately Arena is out in the 45th... he was the only real champion for growth on the Northwest Side. His opponent Gardiner is basically a dog whistle dude for racist old white people scared of brown folks moving into their ward. Since any large residential development now needs affordable housing, expect that part of the city to stagnate.
LaSpata is also a LSNA anti-gentrification liberal from the east coast, just like Will Guzzardi
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^ We're all focused on the mayoral race, but the wards have some interesting stuff going on too. Not much good news for fans of development, but I'd say we will see continued or new momentum in many wards for bus and bike lanes.


In the 1st, Moreno's out and La Spata is in. Here's an arrogant prick who drives an Audi everywhere getting replaced by a guy who doesn't even own a car.

Amazingly, Ed Burke is not just winning in the 14th but will avoid a runoff, even after being hauled in on corruption charges. What does that guy have to do to lose an election? Unbelievable.

25th will go to a runoff between Sigcho and Acevedo, no real pro-development choice here but anybody's better than Sigcho... this is my ward, I voted for Troy Hernandez and now I've got my least two favorited candidates. Ugh. At least Acevedo, like La Spata in the 1st, is a carless guy who will likely push for transit and ped/bike improvements.

Burnett is winning handily in the 27th, so expect the West Loop boom to continue. Same for his counterparts (King and Dowell) in the South Loop.

Sadly, Carlos Rosa will avoid a runoff in the 35th... if he's in Logan/Avondale and Sigcho wins in Pilsen, we may finally start to see an uptick in development in Black neighborhoods like West Haven or Bronzeville where the aldermen are le$$ idealistic.

Michele Smith will go to a runoff in 43... she needs to go, for real. Her opponent Lindblom isn't great but at least he talks about diversifying the ward's housing beyond McMansions.

Also unfortunately Arena is out in the 45th... he was the only real champion for growth on the Northwest Side. His opponent Gardiner is basically a dog whistle dude for racist old white people scared of brown folks moving into their ward. Since any large residential development now needs affordable housing, expect that part of the city to stagnate.
Yeah, a lot of terrible results. Not looking good for the city's future at all.
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I'm not too worried about Burke getting reelected. He'll probably be carted off to jail any day now.
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I'm not too worried about Burke getting reelected. He'll probably be carted off to jail any day now.
This guy is more slippery than a greased eel and can probably call in favors with 90% of the judges in town.

Don't count him out... if Burke gets acquitted and Preckwinkle wins mayor, it's gonna be bad.
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This guy is more slippery than a greased eel and can probably call in favors with 90% of the judges in town.

Don't count him out... if Burke gets acquitted and Preckwinkle wins mayor, it's gonna be bad.
there''s a shrinking non-hispanic population in the 14th that's afraid once burke's gone, the area is going to go full-on little village.
they all vote en masse
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I'm not too worried about Burke getting reelected. He'll probably be carted off to jail any day now.
But the prospect that we might have to hold a special election is problematic.
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I'm surprised Daley conceded so early...
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