The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[Pugsley]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

Telegraph Journal is reporting that the SJ Port CEO says all options are on the table for future developments, including the potential for a nearby land-based logistics hub.

https://tj.news/greater-saint-john/102048551

These are all great stories and cannot wait to see what the Port of Saint John delivers. Certainly one of the great success stories of the past few years in this city and one with the potential for huge spin-off economic impact!

[adamuptownsj]

“The opportunities to create a logistics centre here in Saint John for all of Eastern North America are immense. We have 500-plus acres in Lorneville, that land is owned by the provincial government. It would be relatively straightforward to put a spur line from the port through to Lorneville.”

1) What land is he talking about? There aren't many large parcels. This section of the industrial park amongst the windmills? https://paol-efel.snb.ca/paol.html?v=1.0.81&lang=en&pan=06805123

2) IDK about a spur. It would be pretty complicated. There used to be a line that ran west along the coast from Bay Shore to where the sewage treatment plant is, crossed what is now Route 1, and ran between it and Ocean Westway to Spruce Lake. From there it continued to St. Stephen.

The shoreline is now extremely eroded west of Rocky Bluff Terrace. Specifically parts of the ROW are now completely gone. So that would write off the whole old spur south of Route 1. To the west, there's... Lancaster. 40 years ago you could have gone straight from the corner of Gault and Bay, across Manawagonish, and to the Lorneville industrial park... but now Westgate is in the way. You'd basically have to have the spur go from South Bay, across overpasses over both Route 7 and Route 1, and into the industrial park from there.

Maybe I'm mistaken and the spur would not cross Route 7, but I've never heard anything that far north called Lorneville. No one even calls Ocean Westway Lorneville.

[cdnguys]

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[OliverD]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

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Here's a CBC article about the project: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/saint-andrews-housing-grant-1.6721143

[Gnarly]

I'm in Charleston, and the cranes left here jut after 1pm local time, and should arrive in Saint John on the 27th, early afternoon.

[CharlotteCountyLogan]

Originally Posted by Gnarly

I'm in Charleston, and the cranes left here jut after 1pm local time, and should arrive in Saint John on the 27th, early afternoon.

Exciting news!

[cdnguys]

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[adamuptownsj]

Reading between the lines, YSJ owns excess surplus land while none of the other 'major' Maritime airports do, so they're hoping to develop an air-freight-oriented mini industrial park on it. Not at all sure where the rail access they mention is, though. I don't see anything.

[MonctonRad]

Found on CCD Canada:

NEW BRUNSWICK MUSEUM

CCD Ref. Number : NB168629-23-01

Stage : 3-Planning or drawing

Published : January 13, 2023

Starting Date (estimated) : Not available

Size : Mid-sized ($20,400,000)

Work type : New construction

Sector : Public

Category : 3-Institutional

Subcategories : 3B-Municipal & Government Buildings

Disciplines : ARCH, ELEC, EQUI, HVAC, MEC-B, STRUC, OTHER*

Location :

SAINT JOHN (NB)
(Saint John - St. Stephen)

Description :
NEW MUSEUM -
Located in Saint John, this project (New Brunswick Museum) estimated at $20 400 000 is in the planning stage. Works concern the construction of a building to replace a museum.

- Initiator: INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO SUBSCRIBERS

I am concerned about the valuation placed on this. I would have expected a cost at least 5x this. I wonder if this cost estimate is for the entire project or just a portion? Is Higgs cheaping out on this???

[Saintjohnjoe]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Found on CCD Canada:



I am concerned about the valuation placed on this. I would have expected a cost at least 5x this. I wonder if this cost estimate is for the entire project or just a portion? Is Higgs cheaping out on this???

From what I understand there will be an announcement soon - Museum will stay on Douglas Ave. with an addition and an exhibition space somewhere Uptown.

[darkharbour]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Found on CCD Canada:



I am concerned about the valuation placed on this. I would have expected a cost at least 5x this. I wonder if this cost estimate is for the entire project or just a portion? Is Higgs cheaping out on this???

Surely that isn't the whole thing, the previously cancelled museum project was $100 million and those plans weren't big enough to accommodate any expansion. If anything construction costs would have grown in the past few years since that other project, I was expecting at least $120 million by now.

[UptownJeff]

Originally Posted by darkharbour

Surely that isn't the whole thing, the previously cancelled museum project was $100 million and those plans weren't big enough to accommodate any expansion. If anything construction costs would have grown in the past few years since that other project, I was expecting at least $120 million by now.

That 100m was for a brand new building on the waterfront - if the rumour is true that Douglas Ave will be the new location then I wonder if the 20m is for the addition and the original museum will just undergoing renovation etc? I suspect that would cost millions more and not be included in that "new build" number.

[DyAm00394]

Interested to see if the rumor is true that they are staying at the Douglas Avenue location. Also I noticed on Google it lists both the NB Museum as well as the NB Museum Archives at the 277 Douglas Avenue. The NB Museum listed as "Temporarily Closed" and the archives as "open". The NB Museum Archives was always here but I believe the NB Museum itself wasn't listed at this address before. Hopefully an announcement will happen soon on what they are doing.

[cdnguys]

I’m thinking the $20m is for that particular phase described in entry.

[Pugsley]

Do we think the $20M might be for using a part of the Fundy Quay development's new space? I does have retail space on the ground floor. I wonder if this is funding to repurpose one of the street level spaces in the new development for the use of a smaller museum on the waterfront as opposed to a whole new purpose-built structure, like the $100M plan they scrapped.

I also remember from the Fundy Quay plans that there was originally a public building in the northwest corner in the designs. I wonder how that plays into all of this. Has anyone seen any design changes or heard any rumours about this space from the original plans?

[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by Pugsley

Do we think the $20M might be for using a part of the Fundy Quay development's new space? I does have retail space on the ground floor. I wonder if this is funding to repurpose one of the street level spaces in the new development for the use of a smaller museum on the waterfront as opposed to a whole new purpose-built structure, like the $100M plan they scrapped.

I also remember from the Fundy Quay plans that there was originally a public building in the northwest corner in the designs. I wonder how that plays into all of this. Has anyone seen any design changes or heard any rumours about this space from the original plans?

That public building is the last phase of the development so roughly 10 years away. I’d be surprised if they’ve spent an ounce of time even thinking about it.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by ColSJ

That public building is the last phase of the development so roughly 10 years away. I’d be surprised if they’ve spent an ounce of time even thinking about it.

IDK, I feel the last three years have been “expect the unexpected” and it goes both ways + and -
As an example, who expected a 14 story apartment building for EastPoint

[ColSJ]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

IDK, I feel the last three years have been “expect the unexpected” and it goes both ways + and -
As an example, who expected a 14 story apartment building for EastPoint

Fair point.

If GNB comes in says we will put up the money for the cultural building on the site I’m okay with that. Only thing… it will not be big enough for an exhibition space of multiple different topics. I’ve said before the history of market slip should be on display there. Keep it to the theme of the area.

[bridgeoftea]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

IDK, I feel the last three years have been “expect the unexpected” and it goes both ways + and -
As an example, who expected a 14 story apartment building for EastPoint

Is that what the excavator at East Point is starting to prep for?

[nwalbert]

Originally Posted by bridgeoftea

Is that what the excavator at East Point is starting to prep for?

14 stories at East Point? Wow, that's pretty exciting.